SQno1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4648 times:
As far as I know, the AF277 is a daily service that take a route that is more northerly than normal. This is to allow the overnight flight in question to take place, and being the only one overnight flight that heads to Europe, Air France has a monopoly, allowing customers to arrive at European destiantions from North Asia at 05:00-08:00.
FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4584 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2): I'm guessing they leave at that time because of the NRT curfew and maybe fly a little slower so that they can arrive at a remotely-halfway decent time
AF277 is a Daily flight, and a very successful flight, operated with a B773ER.
This flight connect at NRT with the Air Calin/AF flight incoming from NOU.
The curfew at NRT for take-off is at 11:00PM (or 23:00).
The flight is schedulled at 21:55 (9:55PM) in case of a delay of the NOU flight, or a last minute technical check.
But with a take off at 9:55PM, if it would fly the normal route, at the normal speed, it would land in CDG in the middle of the night at ... 02:35AM when there is no Bus, no Metro, no Taxi, no Bank, no nothing !
So AF277 takes a further north route and slows down to arrive at a decent time in CDG.
PurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4458 times:
Quoting SQno1 (Reply 1): As far as I know, the AF277 is a daily service that take a route that is more northerly than normal. This is to allow the overnight flight in question to take place, and being the only one overnight flight that heads to Europe, Air France has a monopoly, allowing customers to arrive at European destinations from North Asia at 05:00-08:00.
This seems strange if its the reason - I thought that aircraft flew at their optimum cruising speed height etc to save fuel. Why would the plane fly a more northerly track and travel further.
Is this practice widespread?
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Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1846 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
I confirm the explanation given by FlySSC is the correct one and this flight is very appreciated by PAX (convenience of time departure from NRT, easy to sleep on, no line at CDG for passport controls, quick delivery of luggage, etc). It's full most of the time, partly due to the connection from NOU.
This flight is also the first AF passenger flight to land at CDG. Arriving earlier would not be possible for the reasons given by FlySSC. In addition of taking a different route, I suppose also that they are flying the bird at a lower speed to increase the flight time