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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22485 times:

I'm sitting at EWR waiting for pushback and apparently a LH and CO plane wacked wingtips and knocked the winglets off. Not good for CO at EWR this week.

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User currently offlineScaredflyer21 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22482 times:

Quoting Airzim (Thread starter):
Not good for CO at EWR this week.

Nope...Def. not...

What type of planes were involved? How did the crew handle it?


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22424 times:

we were bringing our 757 from the hangar to the gate via the Supertug. LH 744 was taxiing on another runway and clipped the right wing of our 757.


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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22426 times:

I can't see it, but the captain informed us a LH 744 taxied past a CO 757 and took of the winglet on the 757. He's insinuating the LH plane was at fault, but since I'm on a CO jet it doesn't surprise me.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22380 times:

you would be correct. i believe our plane was stopped awaiting clearance to proceed, when he was struck by LH.


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User currently offlineGreg3322 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 22214 times:

The stupid media in Los Angeles (KABC 7) just had "Breaking News" that said a CO plane landed on a taxiway and may have collided with another plane. They were showing a picture of the LH 747

Good job!

Greg


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 22028 times:

Quoting Greg3322 (Reply 5):
The stupid media in Los Angeles (KABC 7) just had "Breaking News" that said a CO plane landed on a taxiway and may have collided with another plane. They were showing a picture of the LH 747

Once again right on top of their game combining 2 events into 1 and wanting to be taken seriously......I am very surprised they haven't turned this into a terrorist event yet in the metro NY area and have numerous former FBI and aviation experts commenting.  ill 

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User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21306 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
Once again right on top of their game combining 2 events into 1 and wanting to be taken seriously......I am very surprised they haven't turned this into a terrorist event yet in the metro NY area and have numerous former FBI and aviation experts commenting.

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21223 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/31/plane.crash/index.html


At least CNN is being calm about it - no "big accident" stuff!

Glad to hear it was no biggy and everyone is ok.


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20454 times:

So what happened to the passengers on the planes, they must have been pissed  Sad Also do you think the lufthansa pilots will be in a whole deal of trouble??


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20329 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 9):
Also do you think the lufthansa pilots will be in a whole deal of trouble??

Depends if they were where they should have been, if so, then they are fine and ATC is in a whole bunch of trouble. If not, then the LH crew is in a whole load of trouble.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20273 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 9):
So what happened to the passengers on the planes, they must have been pissed

CALMSP's remarks say that the CO 757 was under tow...so there would have been no passengers onboard the Continental ship. The folks on LH however....I'll bet more than a couple missed their connecting flights!


User currently offlineCOewrAAtysAZ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20220 times:

I thought CO said the pilots of that 757 flight from MCO had been taken off of duty until the investigation was finished. What are they doing in the cockpit again? They struck again.

(And before anyone tries to comment on my mistake, I KNOW that it was being pulled by the supertug and taxied over w/ a crew)



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20156 times:

Wow, intresting stuff. If anything it will be ATC's fault for not realizing the dimensions of the taxiways. Most likely this was there fault and not the one of the LH pilots or the CO crew.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19779 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 13):
Wow, intresting stuff. If anything it will be ATC's fault for not realizing the dimensions of the taxiways. Most likely this was there fault and not the one of the LH pilots or the CO crew.

I disagree; the captain is ultimately responsible for their aircraft and should be aware of the dimensions of their aircraft. For the sake of arguement assuming that the CO jet was stopped and the LH jet was moving then the LH crew is responsible.

If you're at a red stop light and the light turns green you have permission to proceed but you may not proceed if it is unsafe. That is, if there is a semi crossing the intersection in front of you (perhaps running a red light or stuck because other traffic didn't clear) and the light turns green, this doesn't mean that you should hit the gas, crash into the semi, and then sue the city because you were just doing what the light told you to.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineLouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19777 times:

So whats the situation on the LH744? I guess it will be staying at EWR until the techs take a look at it.


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User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19413 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
The stupid media in Los Angeles (KABC 7) just had "Breaking News" that said a CO plane landed on a taxiway and may have collided with another plane. They were showing a picture of the LH 747

Good job!

Yeah its not just the LA media. Same crap all over the states with just about every topic.



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User currently offlineEWRATC From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19382 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 13):

Last time I checked the pilot in command is responsible for the controls of his aircraft. That means if you hit something it is your fault just like a car. You can look that up in the AIM during recess at school.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19323 times:

Quoting Lincoln:
I disagree; the captain is ultimately responsible for their aircraft and should be aware of the dimensions of their aircraft. For the sake of arguement assuming that the CO jet was stopped and the LH jet was moving then the LH crew is responsible.

If you're at a red stop light and the light turns green you have permission to proceed but you may not proceed if it is unsafe. That is, if there is a semi crossing the intersection in front of you (perhaps running a red light or stuck because other traffic didn't clear) and the light turns green, this doesn't mean that you should hit the gas, crash into the semi, and then sue the city because you were just doing what the light told you to.

Actually it is the job of LH pilots to follow the instructions of the EWR tower, it is the job of tower to know the dimensions of the taxiways and the relative lenghts of two given airplanes. You red light scenario works if it is like a "Cross" intersection however we are talking about two airplanes side to side.

Its like your in your car and a friend says all clear to pass another car without taking into account the dimensions of your side-view mirror. So you as a driver think its clear till your side view mirror donks off the other car's side-view mirror. This situatuion works because the mirror adds two or three more inches of clearance and if you are not paying attention or think it is all clear especially because you are focusing ahead of you its the fault of the controlling office for not doing the math.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19264 times:

Quoting EWRATC:
Last time I checked the pilot in command is responsible for the controls of his aircraft

Last time I checked it was the job of the ground controller to safely lead a aircraft to a gate without incident at a Class "B" controlled airport. And its not in the AIM its common sense.



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User currently offlineFlanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19225 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 18):

Last time I checked the pilot in command is responsible for the controls of his aircraft. That means if you hit something it is your fault just like a car. You can look that up in the AIM during recess at school.

well you need to check again  Smile its in the FAR's



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User currently offlineRC135U From United States of America, joined May 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19177 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
Expert.......by definition is a former spert.

Or the old saying that an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less.


User currently offlineEWRATC From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19012 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 19):

I guess I missed you at work today. So now gound control is class bravo airspace, your sharp. Dont pop off about things you have no clue about. What would you tell DLH mr ground controller. Pck up the aim before you post and put blame on pilots or controllers that you know nothing about let alone the operation at EWR or any airport.



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User currently offlineLostmoon744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19011 times:

A little Gorilla Glue will make everything better for LH and CO. Can someone say, "DOH!"?



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User currently offline777-500er From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18903 times:

LH 747-400 involved was D-ABVC

25 APFPilot1985 : AIM 4-3-18 : b. ATC clearances or instructions pertaining to taxiing are predicated on known traffic and known physical airport conditions. Therefore
26 Hamster : I like EWR. I sit at a corner bar on Ferry Street just before the big brick factory and see planes landing all the time. Last week, I had an appointme
27 Post contains images B777ER : This being a.net, I can't wait for the first idiot to get on here saying EWRATC "does not know what he is talking about"!
28 Jasond : Also: Ex being a has been and spert being a drip under pressure
29 Boeing747_600 : Do you mean the winglet on the 744?! The 75x dosent have winglets. Utter nonsense - the pilot ALWAYS has discretion over the guidance of the aircraft
30 Goboeing : Want utter nonsense? Mutter that statement after visiting EWR.
31 B777ER : Ummmmm, hate to tell ya but CO does have them on their 75's..
32 Post contains links and images B777ER : Sorry, forgot to add the evidence. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jid Webb
33 RiddlePilot215 : If you go by CNN's definition as of late, anybody with some 'aviation experience' will do. I remember when that G5 with all the Nike execs. was havin
34 Mir : Where exactly on the airport did this happen? That might say something about the situation. I'd tend to think that the hammer will come down on the LH
35 Glydrflyr : The coffee shop at the Ramada Inn at EWR is full of the LH passengers this morning, so that's where they are, waiting for substitute travel arrangemen
36 Bolu340 : Correct a/c registration D-ABVY.
37 Post contains images MCIGuy : Fox just reported it with footage a few minutes ago, and the taxiway landing as a seperate incident.
38 DABZF : It's great how a.net is full of people who knows everything... What if you would all just wait for the investigation result or any further info what a
39 Philb : Totally agree DABZF. Did the aircraft following instructions? Were they on their respective centre lines? If instructions were followed, were the inst
40 Beaucaire : On a German pilot-forum one LH captain indicates the incident actually happened during push-back... So if the driver of the pusher did not watch caref
41 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Hey Pal, Happy A.net Birthday......you're still a savy and well oiled machine and are right on the money with your post regarding responsibility. I d
42 Thepilot730 : And you fly at DCA. Hasn't your instructor made you read 91.3: Pilot in Command. It is the PIC who is responsible for that A/C and can deviate from A
43 CPHGuard : I agree, that it's the pilot's responsibility to avoid a ground collision, BUT: It is extremely difficult to judge how much clearence there is between
44 Gopal : How would the LH captain known that he clipped the 757 ? Is there an indicator in the cockpit that would have warned him. Had he been unaware and proc
45 CPHGuard : A damaged wing will have less lift, which depending on the the damage can be very serious. I remember an accident, when a plane clipped a wing, and t
46 Bongo : I think there aren´t more options
47 Hamster : do we have pic of the damage?
48 BAtriple7 : Ask that to any reporter covering aviation. The LH captain saw the fireball in his rear-view mirror!
49 QatarA340 : Guys, is this incident differnet than the Contenental plane landing on the wronge runway. I was thinking that it landed on the wrong runway and clippe
50 IAHFLYR : 2 separate incidents on 2 separate days.
51 Post contains images Lostmoon744 : Oh dear... another misinformed person who argues from the peanut gallery. I've been on CO's 757s with winglets. They're also equipped with nifty RB2s
52 Antoniemey : Very much separate incidents.
53 Airzim : I didn's see the accident, just a victim of the result. My gate was at the end of the C-1 concourse at EWR on the right hand of the "Y". I was already
54 Post contains images Jerald01 : You're ALL wrong. It was the lav cart guy's fault. He didn't close the valves and the access hatch properly so stuff started leaking out during the to
55 Jcf5002 : Frankly... this seems like the best plausable solution to me too... In all seriousness, does anyone have any more information such as meteorlogical c
56 Thomson735 : Ive been cleared to take off and ojn the climb no more than 200FT in PA28 a 737 has been issued the clearance "XXXX with the traffic in sight clrd ta
57 IAHFLYR : Visual separation is what you'd hear in the States.....and, many times the clearance is given when the Boeing is still not sitting in position on the
58 Post contains images IAHcsr : If anyone cares.... The CO machine involved was Ship 117 It DOES have Winglets... well.. one winglet at the moment.. . And it also has AVOD installed.
59 Lincoln : Why, thank you, thank you very much. Any idea how long it will be out of service? Lincoln
60 Post contains images IAHcsr : Assuming no damage to the wing itself, just replacing the winglet... Plus shipping said winglet in from .. say GSO or MCO ... an absolutely uneducate
61 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Well get on the stick especially with the AVOD on it, got a flight upcoming on a -200 and want to be able to enjoy a better chance of AVOD on it!!!
62 Bolu340 : Correct registration D-ABVY.
63 4holer : I won't say that. He clearly knows his business and as such is an asset to this forum. But I will say this. He reminds my of my ex-wife at that time
64 Jahmike : It's gonna be out much longer than that.
65 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Oh I love that post.....actually it isn't only 1 tower but pretty much the ATC world, they make us act like clones to a point! So, being privvy to 1
66 Post contains images IAHcsr : As of now it shows as StBy EWR {Not MX EWR..} for 11/4 ...
67 FraT : Is there anything new what happened and where it happened? Some LH folks are writing that it happened during pushback which seems a bit unlogical as L
68 Post contains images 4holer : Hey! I didn't misspell "idiots"! But I did misspell "me". Thanks again guys.
69 IAHFLYR : I think it was the I dots that take over!
70 N844AA : Ah, does CO still have major facilities at GSO? I didn't realize that. I know they have MX bases at HOU and MCO -- I take it there's one at GSO as we
71 Jahmike : Maintenance is done on the 757's in GSO. They install the winglets on the 757's there.
72 Levg79 : Does anyone know the status of LH plane?
73 MUCuser : Landed In HAM after a Ferry flt on Saturday evening. LH Techniks has a large base there, so likely to spend some weeks in the hangars there.
74 Dc10rules : I always though an expert was someone who knew 100 ways to make love but couldnt find a girlfriend. LOL Have fun and fly safe!
75 A342 : Can either the 744 or 752 fly without the winglets, like the A330/340 ?
76 Johnnybgoode : the 744 can do so, as long as the wing is intact. dunno about the 752. rgds daniel
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