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TAM Order 4x 777-300ER  
User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20108 times:

Just in. TAM order 4x 777-300ER.

Its significance goes beyond money considering TAM is All Airbus customer.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ogy/2003333328_webboeing77731.html

Cheers

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11463 posts, RR: 61
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 20119 times:

Quoting Sq212 (Thread starter):
Its significance goes beyond money considering TAM is All Airbus customer.

Agreed completely. This is a small order in numbers, but this is an enormously significant move for Boeing as it gets their foot in the door with TAM, one of the best-run and fastest-growing airlines in Latin America, and the world.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 20085 times:

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

FLY TAM ! ! !  praise   praise   praise   praise 

Incredible news Big grin *BIG THUMBS UP*



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 20020 times:

Didn't TAM order the 350 also? Seems odd that they would order T7 unless they are losing confidence that they are going to get the 350 in a reasonable amount of time.. could Airbus really be letting the ball drop like this?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 20014 times:
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This is why they get some M11 with a marvellous deal from Boeing !

One more reason to fly TAM, now with Boeing 777-300ER !

Fantastic!

And for those who think Tam international expansion is too slow... again, some new emotions. Their fleet of widebodies will be now 20 (16 A332, 4 773) excluding their A350 deal.

Felipe



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19979 times:

So it's 4 773 + 4 options for 773 + 3 interim MD11..

I got a feeling Boeing is going to be working hard to move some 738 and 787 into the TAM lineup too.. This could be really fantastic..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19912 times:

Music for my ears!!! Way to go TAM!!! Go B777!!!

g77 APM



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19876 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
Didn't TAM order the 350 also? Seems odd that they would order T7 unless they are losing confidence that they are going to get the 350 in a reasonable amount of time.. could Airbus really be letting the ball drop like this?

It seems pretty obvious this is a vote of no confidence for Airbus and the A350. I suspect most of the original A350 customers will be taking a serious look at their options given the uncertainty and lack of focus with the A350 program and the unprecedented delays with the A380. Some of those airlines are going to take a pass on Airbus this time around.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19841 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 7):
It seems pretty obvious this is a vote of no confidence for Airbus and the A350

To say the least of the A346...

A small order of 4 units would magnify the commonality savings of the A346 versus an all-new type, and market fuel prices are going down.


User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19816 times:

I would guess this is perhaps the first step in dumping the A350 order. After all, the 777 is actually available to fly customers. The A350, well...

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19816 times:

A shocker. But it seems unlikely a 773ER competitor will be delivered before 2015 with the ways thing are going. It doesn't make sense as it shouldn't take 9 years to develop an aircraft, but Airbus does things really slow.

Now I don't think 737s are likely. But 787s might be.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19754 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
A shocker. But it seems unlikely a 773ER competitor will be delivered before 2015 with the ways thing are going. It doesn't make sense as it shouldn't take 9 years to develop an aircraft, but Airbus does things really slow.

Congrats to TAM and Boeing.. checkmark 

IIRC, the A359XWB was supposed to be the first to fly around 2014-2015.....the A350-1000xwb probably wouldn't hit the market for another year..that's a good decade away..

I'm still curious about the "final" specs of the A350XWB... scratchchin ...



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19722 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
I'm still curious about the "final" specs of the A350XWB...

I guess the fact that the airlines - and, as it seems, Airbus - are still waiting for them didn't hurt Boeing get this sale...

Congrats to Boeing, this certainly is a good win for them.



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User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19724 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
I got a feeling Boeing is going to be working hard to move some 738 and 787 into the TAM lineup too.. This could be really fantastic..

I don't think so, TAM is more than happy with their A318 A319 and A320, they have been ordering more and more of the type.

The 787 well that is another game, and who knows maybe in the future TAM will have an all Airbus narrow body fleet and an all Boeing wide body, everything is possible

[Edited 2006-11-01 02:48:12]

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19723 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
I guess the fact that the airlines - and, as it seems, Airbus - are still waiting for them didn't hurt Boeing get this sale...

Hopefully we'll know in the next few weeks.....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19630 times:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/news/2006/q4/061031b_nr.html

Here it is from Boeing.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19629 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
Hopefully we'll know in the next few weeks.....

I certainly agree with that!!! As much as I know about the technical/economical advantages of the B777, as a passenger, I'm quite far away from being a fan of it... but currently, it's really difficult to get past the overall value the plane offers to its operators.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19557 times:

I will defintely fly TAM because of this. Great airline with a great reptuation.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19559 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 16):
I certainly agree with that!!! As much as I know about the technical/economical advantages of the B777, as a passenger, I'm quite far away from being a fan of it... but currently, it's really difficult to get past the overall value the plane offers to its operators.

Well...I'll just have to disagree with you on the "passenger end"... Wink

That being said, this is a segment Airbus cannot afford to miss out on...If Airbus never created the A380, they would still have been fine, but if Airbus misses out on this..they are in BIG trouble...!

There is no way in bloody 'ell Airbus can compete by selling A32X's, some A330's and A380's.....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19478 times:

A surprise order indeed, without even a peep of it on ANet! Interesting  

But I see no need for TAM to replace the A332s anytime soon. the aircraft is perfect for the routes it flies and developing new ones. It's still a very efficient plane and still quite popular as a new-aircraft purchase. TAM can aford to wait and see on the 787s operating performance, by which time the final A350 specs should (MAYBE) be available and, god forbid, even launched!!!

But a significant win for Boeing, with TAM shaping up to be the new national airline of Brazil.

[Edited 2006-11-01 02:59:09]

User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19368 times:

From Boeing's release:

Quote:
The fuel-efficient 777-300ER is the world's largest long-range twin-engine jetliner and is capable of carrying approximately 370 passengers in TAM's three-class configuration

370 pax  crowded  that's pretty shocking.

cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19350 times:
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And here is from TAM

http://www.b2i.us/external.asp?b=1214&id=32766&from=du&L=e

Confirmed to be received in 2008.

Huge improvement for any of their routes from A332 (213 pax) to 773 (370 pax) !

Felipe



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19282 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):

370 pax  crowded  that's pretty shocking.

You think that's bad...try EK's 427 pax 77W... spin 



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19250 times:

Let the battle begin... what is TP going to do to compete? the 773ER is largest plane from Brazil to LIS. A significant expansion... top it off with great economics... roomier and most likely a better biz class offering than the old beat up A340 from TP.

TP needs to step up to the plate or their market share will drop. TP should have gone with the 787/777 when they had the chance.

[Edited 2006-11-01 03:32:17]


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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19230 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):
370 pax    that's pretty shocking.

No galleys, no restrooms… way to go.

I'd really love to fly on this Boeing.


25 Post contains links and images Leskova : Air France's Caraibes/Océan Indien configuration has 472 seats - though, admittedly, not in a F/C/Y config, but a C/Y+/Y config. http://www.airfranc
26 NYC777 : Is TAM evaluating the 787 at all? Do they have an on going requirement or will they cancel the A350 order in favor of the 787?
27 Tonytifao : This is EXCELLENT news. These are brand new right? Does anyone know when in 2008? and what routes? I love 777s. Go TAM!
28 BoeingBus : haha...sorry.. thanks for the correction... I thought they always did...
29 Rafabozzolla : Ok, great news and stuff but... there are 3 M11s going to fleet in a few months. Where would these planes be used? The 2nd GRU-JFK is a daylight, so t
30 MAH4546 : Rumours is that MIA-GIG will now be 2x daily (maybe not at launch, but most likley by summer 2007). A daily redeye and a daily daylight flight, so it
31 DfwRevolution : Not really that bad for a 773ER... less than what EK fits. Boeing's standard "in-house" configuration is 360 seats. Airbus claims 380 for the smaller
32 Post contains images AA777223 : Are the MD-11s former Varig birds? Where are they coming from? Congrats to TAM and Boeing on this order with a great customer!
33 Post contains images LTU932 : And even less than the up to 500+ PAX NH and JL cram in their domestic 773As. I know there were rumours of JJ ordering or leasing 772ERs, but their 7
34 LipeGIG : Probably PP-VQJ/VQK/VQX, all three are owned by Boeing and ER versions. Nowadays stored at GIG closer to VEM facility. I expect 4 frames, lets see wh
35 WorldTraveler : The 773 is a 742/743 replacement aircraft in terms of capacity for much lower costs. This is alot of seats for JJ to fill. 4 aircraft isn't alot but
36 AA777223 : So they are owned by Boeing, aqcuired from...? Surely Boeing didn't just have them sitting around on the off chance someone needed some temporary wid
37 ComeAndGo : … varig maybe ?
38 N328KF : There certainly do seem to be a lot of airlines that are all-Airbus on the narrowbody stuff, and all-Boeing on the widebody stuff. You usually don't
39 Post contains images 777ER : Wow this is surprising yet awesome and excellent news. Way to go Boeing and TAM
40 QXatFAT : Well could they use this on a domestic flight? I know that RG used an MD11 for flights from GRU-MAO. I flew on this many times. The loads seemed to b
41 AndesSMF : Well, somewhat of a shocker, but with the A350s coming in about 2014, TAM had to do something in the meantime. This is what is called 'market timing',
42 Post contains links BoomBoom : From the WSJ: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1162...909621.html?mod=home_whats_news_us
43 Fyano773 : Despite the large Airbus fleet, TAM chose the Triple 7, so commonality is no longer the game changer. I hope Mexicana orders the T7 too. Congratulati
44 Johnny : That is great news! My favorite Boeing Airplane in a great livery! Congrats to both Boeing and TAM !
45 Post contains images A388 : Before getting too excited, isn't this deal a commitment and not a confirmed order? It is a great win for Boeing but I can't find an actual confirmati
46 Post contains images ThePRGuy : And you wouldn't fly on one of their 332s? Alex
47 Post contains images PHKLM : Congrats for TAM! The first 77W for a LatAm carrier! That'll be a huge Magic Red Carpet My guess is that TAM will use these planes on routes that get
48 Post contains images A388 : It's even more exciting to see more airlines increasing capacity to Brazil. Brazil appears to become the new hot spot for many international airlines
49 PlaneHunter : Indeed a surprising move, a significant success for Boeing. TP is the market leader between Europe and Brazil, serving not only GRU and GIG but also F
50 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : It's a purchase agreement and it will happen. Check the following links; http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061031b_nr.html http://www.b2i.u
51 Post contains links Leelaw : Brazilian carrier TAM has ordered up to eight Boeing 777-300ERs. In a teleconference late yesterday the carrier revealed it had placed firm orders for
52 Post contains images Jog : What a morning - a new queen for TAM's fleet... Some questions regarding the next 1.5 years and the M11s: - Can we expect that they will be fitted wit
53 Post contains images Magyarorszag : " target=_blank>http://www.airfrance.us/common/image...n.gif I always thought that only EK had ten seats per row in Y class on medium to long-haul fli
54 Post contains links and images WINGS : Well congratulations to Boeing for making it's way into an airline dominated by Airbus. It's also great to see yet another B77W operator. While it's n
55 Dellatorre : TAM only went with Boeing because: Airbus does not offer an option for an airliner with bigger capacity than the current A332, and JJ couldn't simply
56 PlaneHunter : Airbus still offers the A346, so JJ had a choice. OH
57 WINGS : I'm Sorry Dellatorre, but I believe that you are simply wrong. Airbus do in fact have an option for greater capacity than the A332. The A333/A345/A34
58 Dougbr2006 : No real surprise here ! TAM were looking for B777's for some time now, they even looked at the ex Varig machines and the MD11's before Variglog took o
59 A388 : Maybe I've overlooked it but when will JJ receive their first 77W? Beginning/mid or end of 2008? Will JJ start flights to LHR (or LGW) with these bran
60 Post contains links Thorben : Picture of a JJ MD-11 Anyway, a good deal for Boeing. JJ seems to grow extremly, so does the Brazilian economy. They probably didn't want to be all-Ai
61 Jog : Mid 2008 in a rate of one aircraft per month. JJ is flying to LHR since last Saturday with A332. The 77W destinations we will probably only know in 2
62 Dellatorre : They will probably use the aircraft for the CDG and JFK routes. Maybe even MIA. LHR still has somethings to prove!!
63 Post contains images A388 : Thanks for the replies. It would be awesome if JJ will use the 77W to MIA as well. I will definately go to MIA to photograph this aircraft. It will a
64 JAL : A small but very stratigically important win for Boeing
65 JMO-777 : Hi! Great News, nice to see again a brasilian 777-operator. But a seat capacity of 370 pax on an int'l. configured 777-300ER is quite much, for compar
66 UAL747-600 : Did everyone see the Boeing ad in this weeks Aviation Week and Space Technology of the 787 climbing out of Rio? Are they going to buy 787's also? UAL7
67 Post contains images Revelation : So they won't even have to change the registrations! My understanding is that the facilities to convert pax MD-11 to freighters are all booked up. An
68 Post contains links Leelaw : Loyal Airbus fan goes Boeing with 777 order By Dominic Gates Seattle Times aerospace reporter "...It is very important to be on time to market," said
69 Jfk777 : This is a very important win for Boeing, too many of the leading Latin airlines have new airbus fleets. Lan Chile has A320 & A340 with some 767-300ER'
70 LipeGIG : Ex-Varig planes, and seems that Boeing already has commitment with Aeroflot for cargo conversion during 2008 so Boeing keep a "window" which they are
71 Columba : Since Varig is gone, TAM will fill the gap for international routes and the 777-300ER is at the moment the best longhaul aircraft available in its si
72 Clickhappy : The A340 family is dead as far as new customer orders are concerned. Deader than the dodo bird. Funny that TAM went for the 777 family when they could
73 Katekebo : What about A340-600? It's similar size and range, allows for crew commonality with existing A330. This order is a big endorsement for the B777's supe
74 AA777223 : OH! So these are also the planes that are going to go to Aeroflot as freighters? These birds will have quite an interesting story to tell. We're they
75 Airbazar : For the immediate future this doesn't affect TAP. TAP was able to expand and grow to become the largest airline between Europe and Brazil even when t
76 Ken777 : Both A & B will work hard to take care of a customer. Coming up with the MD-11s was fortunate for Boeing, but something that Airbus would have done a
77 Dellatorre : I'm sure Airbus would like to offer JJ a better deal for more A330s if the need it. When comparing the current 330 to 787, Airbus has much better cha
78 AngelAirways : actually that's only slightly more dense than the average 350. that plane can take up to 550 in all economy 10 abreast 28" based on its exit limitati
79 Donzilasse : Great news and congrats to TAM which once again has shown what a great airline it is. I was disappointed to here about the beaten up ex Varig MD11,s b
80 Leskova : Austrian also has 10 per row on their B777s, at least in the back part of the cabin; the forward Y section has a 3-3-3 config, the back part a 3-4-3
81 Danny : B773 is a logical decision considering Airbus does not have anything reasonable to offer in that segment until 2014 (?). That will also allow to get b
82 Post contains links BoomBoom : Airbus is expected to announce later this month the formal launch of the A350, with updated details on its plans. Some observers doubt the European c
83 Flysherwood : That is a pretty big reason! It is also the reason they might still go for the 787. Airbus had better start getting their act together or the predict
84 Boeing767-300 : This order simply exposes the A330 weakness in being unable to compete in range and uplift. Airbus has no competitor for 77X and won't have for a sign
85 Comeflywithme : Great news from TAM they certainly seem to be an airline on the move. Hope their timekeeping on the new LHR route improves,it's not been too good so f
86 RootsAir : WOW I'LL DEFINITELY TAKE TAM AGAIN NOW. I'M SURE THEY'LL USE THE 77W ON THE CDG-GRU LEG...I'M EXCIIITED!
87 C010T3 : I think the 3 MD-11 frames will be used to start the international routes out of GIG. I'm sure that TAM won't risk losing their spoiled São Paulo pas
88 LipeGIG : Early to say...but could be, i will share some interesting info just obtained: From TAM Conference Call just finished with CEO / CFO: - GIG-CDG confi
89 MIAMIx707 : When do they start operating the MD11s? Good thing, that airplane is ugly. I much rather see Airbus sell their other types than that flying pipe. Hope
90 PlaneHunter : Or because the A332 was the best aircraft in its class when TAM placed the order, completely outperforming the direct competitor in terms of range an
91 Dellatorre : If Airbus provided in short term the planes they wanted, even though they don't have it, would this still be the case??? And so far JJ has no plans o
92 MIAMIx707 : I wasn't talking about the A332 only, although maybe they could have ordered 777s back then. I was thinking about the A319/A320 fleet, PLUS the A332.
93 Post contains links and images PlaneHunter : The B777 is a much larger aircraft - JJ apparently needed the A332/B763 size. Ok - but can you present a source for JJ's decisions being only price d
94 Shenzhen : I thought Airbus already cancelled the A350 and took a charge, which included penalties for the previous orders? What is left to cancel? Cheers
95 Post contains images Domokun : Oh, I saw this article this morning and just *knew* I could expect an entertaining-as-always... ... ... er ... analysis.
96 PPVRA : Uhm... no. The A330s are great planes. How can you compare the A330 with the B773ER? Totally different class of aircraft. TAM needs a larger aircraft
97 ComeAndGo : The latest news is that they will offer the 350 with a composite fuselage in November.
98 PlaneHunter : Indeed, Airbus must have offered a great deal to JJ - or Airbus was too confident and underestimated the possibility of a TAM B777 order? PH
99 Donzilasse : TAM,s A332,s are great airplanes which at the time of ordering was a great option for TAM in order to keep their yield up. As we all know the recent s
100 EbbUK : The fact that TAM overlooked the Airbus widebody offering in favour of the T7 doesn't mean a thing. It means everything. Or does it? Airbus could not
101 N328KF : It must be interesting to live in such a jaded world such as yours. Airbus did have an offering, and probably could have delivered it in a similar ti
102 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : What better proof than orders themselves. TAM have ordered a bunch of Airbii, airlines which do not/didn't exist yet have ordered 65 recently, 100 in
103 Post contains links EbbUK : If you were sure of the fact and could provide proof of it then perhaps your slight about the world I inhabit might have some gravitas. However, I ma
104 2wingtips : And Airbus still lists them as 18 firm 346s. Tsk, tsk!!! Looks like the order will be converted to 330s and transferred to a Dubai leasing company. N
105 EbbUK : Dear boy the correct terms when referring to the planes produced by the European manufacturer are thus: 1 Airbus = Airbus (singular) 2 or more Airbus
106 EbbUK : I do make mucho doubt as the head of TAM made no mention of it in his statement. Perhaps you should reserve judgement too? Or do you like assuming wi
107 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Just because TAM has ordered a bunch doesn't mean price was the one and only factor. And don't forget start-up carriers have also ordered Boeing in t
108 B707Stu : Well, I've only got the A340-300 to compare it to and frankly I far prefer the 777. I'll try the A340-600 in December and let you know, but for now,
109 2wingtips : Doubt what you want old bean, but I'll assume the 346 is basically dead and clearly inferior to the 773ER. I think TAM saw this as well and the cost
110 ComeAndGo : As far as I remember TAM pooled with Taca and Lan Chile to bid for better prices on new aircraft. Airbus gave them a deal treating the three airlines
111 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Heed your own words sir because; I'd appreciate it if you could post the details of the bargain basement deal Boeing has given TAM, which you are obv
112 Post contains images AirSpare : Pointed out over and over again to you, it wasn't succeding, so they went to B. Also pointed out many times, they are now publicly considering the 78
113 Leskova : Well, in my case it's somewhat the other way around - I've only flown on B772s (ER and non-ER), but I've flown on A343s and A346s... and in my person
114 Post contains images Jacobin777 : You got it backwards there mate....economics 101 teaches us that the laws of "supply and demand" dictate the more the product is needed (wanted) the
115 MCOflyer : Sir, I love TAM and its founder. I may be american, but I think TAM is better due to its Customer service. MCOflyer
116 Dellatorre : Some people in this forum have no spirit whatsoever!!! OK one thing needs to be clear! Just because JJ got 4 B773, dosn't mean they're gonna swich th
117 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Sure JJ is going to keep their single-isle Airbus fleet, they are great planes and suit JJ well..but some of the largest air carriers in the world (i
118 AirSpare : I guess my "spirit", which I have in abundance, is for TAM, and not Airbus. I'm glad to see them make a move. If you'd rather see them sit on a sleep
119 Dellatorre : YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG!!!! I'm not relating to JJ move on that specific comment my friend!!!! I see u may have a bit of lack of sarcasm.............
120 Hardiwv : One interesting information is that TAM will not incur a lot of training cost in this "swtich" from Airbus to Boeing and the interim solution of the M
121 EbbUK : To be absolutely accurate, in an article you can only attribute words said by an individual if there are speech marks ( " ") around the words. Thanks
122 PanAm_DC10 : No it is not, it is a statement of fact. No it is not, you have overlooked the fact that I stated it was a fair use excerpt to comply with this forum
123 ComeAndGo : No need to learn Portuguese. The reason is given in this quote: Boeing offered a complete solution and Airbus didn't.
124 2wingtips : Dear Boy, for one who supposedly demands facts from others, where in fact did you pull this gem from? Supportive evidence please Dear Boy, otherwise
125 EbbUK : Can I suggest in future, for fair use and fair deal, you quote the text that pertains to your argument. It will stand out stronger. If this was a dis
126 2wingtips : Please note omission only has 1 "m"and Australian, I would prefer with a capital "A", thanks. You seem to have a "thing"for correct English, so I tho
127 Post contains images JMO-777 : Hey Hardiwv, my list consists only of 77W-seatconfigurations Don't know what BA's 744 config is to GRU. GreetZ, Jan
128 Ptknight : Do they have a license yet? Way to go TAM!!
129 LipeGIG : No, during the conference, Mr. Bologna was very clear, future possible routes in Europe could be: another LHR flight, FRA (demands a partner that all
130 Jonathan-l : Does anyone know when these 777-300ER are scheduled for delivery? Could these have been originally destined for Jet Airways?
131 OldAeroGuy : What make you think this? I don't think that Jet Airways have dropped their 773ER order.
132 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Cool. So what do JJ's A320 family have that make them so superior? Can you tell me? Chromed spinning hubcaps? Gold window trim? Such an articulate st
133 Jonathan-l : Have they gotten their clearance to fly to the US?
134 OldAeroGuy : Don't know. Do you? Besides, what makes you believe that this was a pre-condition in the purchase contract with Boeing for the 773ER? Since Boeing ha
135 LipeGIG : As per Conference Call comments, Boeing will begin deliveries in june 2008. A complete schedulle will be released by Tam shortly. Felipe
136 JayinKitsap : Gee, could Boeing have seen this as a great order to get the foot in the door. Maybe previously TAM didn't really talk to Boeing or B didn't think the
137 Post contains images EbbUK : Thank you for that, I know have a better understanding of the deal. See my boy's response above. It does appear to have been a bargain deal. Basement
138 Post contains links Boeing Nut : 370 doesn't really seem all that bad if you look at this Boeing layout. Page 12, second one.
139 Post contains images PPVRA : Couple of images: Cheers
140 2wingtips : Where's the indication it was a bargain deal? Value of acquisition includes a lot more than purchase price. The key obviously is that TAM regard the
141 Post contains links and images MIAMIx707 : Ok I have to say TAM's paintscheme looks pretty bad on the 777-300. That looks horrible. The fuselage is too long to be all-white, that thing needs so
142 Hardiwv : Lipe: you did not get my point. I stated that in future routes MAD has the edge over LIS. There is no doubt TAM already has firm plans for LHR additi
143 Dellatorre : I've flown both aircrafts, and A320 beats B737 in my opinion. Mainly one thing, bigger cabin & better comfort. I bet some of the regular JJ pax would
144 ComeAndGo : The key is … ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, where was Boeing when Tam wanted new narrow bod
145 Donzilasse : Dellatorre Agree to 100%. I am flying on both the 737,s and TAM,s 319,s and 320,s a lot and my preference is definately the Airbus when it comes to na
146 LipeGIG : Now i get your point and agree, no doubt MAD will come first over LIS. I don't know if JJ will be able to obtain more frequencies to UK, but we could
147 JJMNGR : LIS is out of question. TAM will not fly to LIS. MAD is ahead but not for 2007 yet. On NOV07 02 brand new A332 will be received and as per budged wil
148 LipeGIG : The 2 A332 mentioned by you are the ones expected to the 1st quarter, or another two, expected for 2008 and now with a new timing ? Felipe
149 The777Man : I guess TAM will fly the 77Ws to MIA and CDG ? The777Man
150 JJMNGR : The fleet plan based on Airbuses shows the 02 brand new A332 for 2007 will be delivered in NOV07, not on the first quarter.
151 Hardiwv : I think because of rotation CDG and JFK have more chances to get JJ's B77W. I still doubt TAM will fly to FRA soon. Other destinations are ahead, inc
152 LipeGIG : I believe Tam could use 1 M11 (they will take 3) to fly MAO-MIA where cargo is an important issue. Or, they will run GIG-MIA with a single plane. Tha
153 Arcano : Way to go TAM! congratulations, grat news indeed! a qquestion though, would be efficient to run 777s, MD11s, 350s and 330s? Again, finally they are b
154 PPVRA : The MDs are an interim solution. By the time the A350s are delivered, they will be already flying cargo for another airline for a while (can't rememb
155 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Respectfully I made it abundantly clear, you just didn't read it. To ensure that the point of record is factually correct and no I'm not.... Though I
156 Hardiwv : KLM, for example, uses a mix of B772, MD-11s, B763, A330 and B77W (forthcoming). As explained above, the MD-11s are an interim solution until the B77
157 Arcano : I guess JJ is the natural heir of RG as the largest Southamerican carrier, and well deserved I think. But still, I think long haul fleet is still hea
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