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Mesaba And The CRJ's  
User currently offlineTheFlyingMoose From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

So now that Mesaba is finally looking like they are turning themselves around, do you think they will get some CRJ's?

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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Are all of the CRJ-700's and ERJ-175's going to the new regional carier, or are they going to be devided up evenly?


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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

36 175s for Compass , and 36 CR9s (likely actually -705s, but that's quibbling more than anything else) for another regional partner, possibly XJ, 9E, or someone else.


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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

After Mesaba gets its labor costs down they'll be in a good position for operating the CRJ900s. I would put money down that XJ will be awarded these aircraft.

As others on this forum have mentioned, its the usual NW tactics at work here. Reduce (or threaten to reduce) operations at one regional airline, get their costs down, then award them some flying.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting TheFlyingMoose (Thread starter):
So now that Mesaba is finally looking like they are turning themselves around, do you think they will get some CRJ's?

They did. They had two 9E CRJ's flying around until recently when they were returned to 9E.



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User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 4):
hey had two 9E CRJ's flying around until recently when they were returned to 9E.

Mesaba never had any 9E aircraft. NW had a order of 15 that was awarded to Mesaba. They took delivery of 2 of them before NW filed Chapter 11 and then canceled the order. Mesaba still has 1 CRJ I understand that way if Mesaba gets awarded the CRJ-705 it will be easier to do crew training. The other Mesaba CRJ is with Compass.


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

I'll be excited to see which stations the new birds will be flying to. I took a Shuttle America flight out of CMH on an E-175 and it was a great ride. I will be glad to see NW flying some of these birds around.

Is it right to assume they'll probably be flying out of B and C terminals at DTW, or are they big enough to be docked at the A terminal?


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 6):
Is it right to assume they'll probably be flying out of B and C terminals at DTW, or are they big enough to be docked at the A terminal?

Probably out of B/C, but maybe A. I think the CR9/E75 is big enough to go out of A considering it is almost the same size as a DC-9(which operates out of A).


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Most likely B. The RJ85s were usually on B, but NW did use a few A gates for them during construction. The hold rooms on the new C concourse will be too small for the E-jets. The Saabs and CRJ's will likely use the C gates.

User currently offlineAmwest2United From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
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Kind of off the topic,

But, Mesaba is only flying the SF3 now, correct?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Mesaba currently has about 5-10 Avro's (I don't know the exact count currently) still in service through mid-December, 49 Saab 340's, and 1 CRJ-200.

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 6):
Is it right to assume they'll probably be flying out of B and C terminals at DTW, or are they big enough to be docked at the A terminal?

It'll really depend on what happens with the fleet long term. If a lot of this lift replaces -9 flying, some of it will have to be on A. Of course, all Airlink flying (with the exception of a few Saab flights) goes to B and C now, but the the Airlink/mainline line is getting blurred (especially if mainline winds up with some EJets).



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting TheFlyingMoose (Thread starter):
So now that Mesaba is finally looking like they are turning themselves around, do you think they will get some CRJ's?

You sound like Mesaba chooses, NW buys the planes for their regionals and then subleases the aircraft to them...thus Mesaba will get what NW gives them.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 4):
They did. They had two 9E CRJ's flying around until recently when they were returned to 9E.

Like said above both were for mesaba, they are even registered N000XJ fill in the zeros with their real numbers, I assume the one aircraft is just sitting around someplace. I know Mesaba is using the other.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

What is the registration number of the Mesaba CRJ, as well as the Compass CRJ? I got a whole bunch of CRJ pictures the other day at DTW. I wonder if I got either.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 8):
Most likely B. The RJ85s were usually on B, but NW did use a few A gates for them during construction. The hold rooms on the new C concourse will be too small for the E-jets. The Saabs and CRJ's will likely use the C gates.

New C Concourse hold rooms? I thought that they reconstructed the C Concourse so they don't have those hold rooms anymore and it is like Concourse B.

The RJ85s have used Concourse A since Day 1. I remember seeing them on the east side of the terminal frequently when the Mac first opened.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Mesaba currently has about 5-10 Avro's (I don't know the exact count currently) still in service through mid-December, 49 Saab 340's, and 1 CRJ-200.

At least one Avro is painted in new colors too.


User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
What is the registration number of the Mesaba CRJ, as well as the Compass CRJ? I got a whole bunch of CRJ pictures the other day at DTW. I wonder if I got either.

They WERE N601XJ and N602XJ. I am not sure, but I think 692 went to Compass.

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
New C Concourse hold rooms? I thought that they reconstructed the C Concourse so they don't have those hold rooms anymore and it is like Concourse B.


Each gate has an individual waiting area, however, there are only about 50-60 seats in each area. Actually the concourse is constructed more like pods with 6 gates in each cluster. No more of the large hold room as in the old C.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
The RJ85s have used Concourse A since Day 1. I remember seeing them on the east side of the terminal frequently when the Mac first opened.

Not true, at the very beginning all Avro's were on B concourse. When they ran short of gate space on C, they began parking CRJ's on B, and bumped some Avro's over to A as overflow. Once the B addition/C reconstruction began, XJ got 3 gates in A63/65/67 (I believe) to operate the Avro's out of, and they converted two widebody international gates A46 & A50 into 3 spots each for Saab & CRJ hardstands.

601 is still flying for XJ, 602 is flying for Compass. The Mesaba CRJ flies exclusively to/from MSP, and the Compass CRJ flies between MSP-IAD.


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
No more of the large hold room as in the old C

That old C Concourse was a wreck. No lighting, cramped hallway. They really did something nice with the new C. I especially like how it feels like the A terminal...made for regional flying.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
Once the B addition/C reconstruction began, XJ got 3 gates in A63/65/67 (I believe) to operate the Avro's out of, and they converted two widebody international gates A46 & A50 into 3 spots each for Saab & CRJ hardstands.

That seems really surprising given that NW is adding A330's to the fleet and pulling 747's out of the desert, although I would assume that the decision to convert the gates was made as they were cutting capacity.

Any ideas to where they'll run the 787's out of? Would a 757 gate be too small?


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

I recall regularly seeing Avros on the east side of Concourse A all during 2002 when I was working at DTW. I thought it was weird then that Mesaba would have aircraft parked at the A concourse.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

The Avro's on A, and parking Saabs & CRJ's in A46 & A50 was a temporary measure during the reconstruction of Concourse C. They closed down half of the gates on C in order to build the new C and needed additional hardstands for the Saabs & CRJ's. These gates have since returned to mainline and are used for international flights.

On occasion, a Saab or CRJ arriving from Canadian cities that do not have pre-clearance will park at one of the international widebody gates on A during the morning/early afternoon in order to eliminate the need to bus passengers into the immigration area.

With the 757 international flights, it will depend on gate availability. They will arrive at the international gates on A, but they may depart from a non-international/non wide-body gate since the widebodies will get preference for the international gates. Once the new North Terminal is complete in 2008, BA & LH will move, freeing up the international gate space during the late afternoon/evening peak time.


User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
36 175s for Compass , and 36 CR9s

Interesting due to the fact that they used to fly 36 ARJ's. NW must like that number for some reason.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Mesaba currently has about 5-10 Avro's (I don't know the exact count currently) still in service through mid-December, 49 Saab 340's, and 1 CRJ-200.

I know that 9E pushed their remaining Saabs over to Mesaba a few years ago. That was back when there were still over 100 in the fleet. Now with only 49, did some of the 340 pilots get re-trained on the CRJ and get moved back over to E9?

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 17):
That old C Concourse was a wreck

I always wondered why they didn't just build it right in the first place. I can't wait to see the changes, I'm going to be flying through there next month.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 20):
I know that 9E pushed their remaining Saabs over to Mesaba a few years ago. That was back when there were still over 100 in the fleet. Now with only 49, did some of the 340 pilots get re-trained on the CRJ and get moved back over to E9?

In 2002, when Pinnacle became all-jet (CRJ), they sub-leased their 11 remaining B-model Saabs to Mesaba. At one point Mesaba operated up to 64 Saabs (a mix of leased A models, and new delivery B+). As the leases expired, Mesaba removed the A models from the fleet. The 11 B models subleased from 9E were returned in Jan. 06, and the last 3 A models were removed from service in Apr. 06.

As Mesaba shrank as Saabs were removed from service, most reductions were handled through attrition. Layoffs did occur post 9/11. Seniority allows pilots to bump if they were downgraded from the Avro to the Saab. Due to the contract Avro & Saab FO's were paid the same hourly rate. Some Avro's were temporary parked in the desert three years ago. 9E is a seperate company and no reciprical agreement exists for pilot flow-through, you would have to be hired. Some people did jump ship. However, Mesaba had a hiring freenzy back in '05 due to the pending growth with 15 CRJ's that were to be delivered. When the order was cancelled, massive furloughs occured to the non-existant CRJ's, draw down of Saab flying, and Avro retirement.


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