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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

I was just looking at the route map for US and was trying to figure out what new transcontinental flights US may start in the next few years. Will we see CLT/PHL-YVR, ABQ, SMF, SLC or even a HNL direct. Or on the other side will there be a PHX to BNA, PVD or MHT?

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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

PHX to BNA and CVG are very likely as they are the largest metro areas without connections to US's west network and would effectively tie in those markets. PHX to MHT, PVD, BUF are highly unlikely due to either low demand or very low yields and are effectively served via CLT and PHL.

PHL to SJC, SMF, OMA, AUS, SAT and SLC are very likely down the road as they have sufficient O&D and/or yields to support local traffic as well as trans-atlantic/carribean connections.

CLT to OKC, SMF, OMA, AUS, SAT, SLC and ABQ would effectively tie in those markets into the east network.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

I wonder if there will be service from MKE and IND to LAS with NW dropping out?

User currently offlineWN230 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 341 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Maybe, when America West is fully integrated into US, could there be an HNL-PHX-PHL flight? Maybe it could start out at 1x daily w/ the a333?

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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Quoting WN230 (Reply 3):
Maybe, when America West is fully integrated into US, could there be an HNL-PHX-PHL flight? Maybe it could start out at 1x daily w/ the a333?

Most likely 762ER when we get the A332.

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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting WN230 (Reply 3):
Maybe, when America West is fully integrated into US, could there be an HNL-PHX-PHL flight? Maybe it could start out at 1x daily w/ the a333?

By that time, they'll have the 332s and be able to fly PHL-HNL non-stop.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
I was just looking at the route map for US and was trying to figure out what new transcontinental flights US may start in the next few years.

The three talked about most on the East side seem to be BOS-PDX, CLT-SMF, PHL-SLC.

On the West side, there's been some recent talk of LAS-RIC and PHX-PBI.

Midcons will see a lot more additions, particularly CLT-AUS/OKC/OMA/SAT, LAS-MCI/OMA, PHX-LIT/XNA.



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
PHX to BNA, PVD or MHT

good. WN does a PHX to PVD flight and its always full



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 1):
CLT to OKC, SMF, OMA, AUS, SAT, SLC and ABQ would effectively tie in those markets into the east network.

I think HP/US is playing chicken with DL on a direct CLT-SLC route. Given both communities are large banking centers, SLC being home to American Express Centurion Bank, Discover Card and a few other smaller industrial banks to fund retailers and CLT being the home of Bank of America since their merger a few years ago with Nations bank, it is only a matter of time that a route with increasing O&D be served directly.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

You will most likely see these routes announced once the 190s are online. Short east coast routes that ties up a 319 currently will be done with the 190, freeing up an A/C that can fly coast to coast.
Also once US finds someone to fly the order of CRJ 900s they made last summer more routes will open up out of CLT.


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

You'll see a lot of major changes once the 2 airlines are integrated completely. There's a lot of connecting the dots to do. All of the routes listed are likely targets. My manager thought there was potential for us in TUS to get a PHL flight or even CLT..though PHL has a lot more O&D traffic. That would be fun  Smile

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
Or on the other side will there be a PHX to BNA, PVD or MHT?



Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 10):
You'll see a lot of major changes once the 2 airlines are integrated completely. There's a lot of connecting the dots to do.

Another thought regarding PHX-PVD/MHT, as I said earlier, the yields are very low, combined with insufficient O&D demand and effective connectivity via PHL and CLT. I will go out on a limb and say that the likelihood of PHX-BDL being dropped is greater than PHX-PVD/MHT ever getting started. Why?

1. PHX-BDL yields are relatively low, due to limited competition with WN.
2. Since the merger, the value of PHX as a connecting hub to primary West Coast markets has diminished because of accessibility through PHL and CLT.
3 HP's current daily PHX-BDL roundtrip requires an A319 to be dedicated for 18 hours of block time everyday.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
2. Since the merger, the value of PHX as a connecting hub to primary West Coast markets has diminished because of accessibility through PHL and CLT.

PHL and CLT have terrible West Coast accessibility. Only LAX, LAS, SAN, SFO, SEA and PDX are accessible through PHL.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
3 HP's current daily PHX-BDL roundtrip requires an A319 to be dedicated for 18 hours of block time everyday.

Remember, once the certificates are merged, that doesn't have to be the case. That A319 can fly PHX-BDL-CLT-PIT-PHL-DEN-PHX instead of having to sit and wait for the turnaround back to PHX.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
I think HP/US is playing chicken with DL on a direct CLT-SLC route. Given both communities are large banking centers, SLC being home to American Express Centurion Bank, Discover Card and a few other smaller industrial banks to fund retailers and CLT being the home of Bank of America since their merger a few years ago with Nations bank, it is only a matter of time that a route with increasing O&D be served directly.

They aren't playing chicken, the market is too thin. The idea of Salt Lake City has a banking centre more than anything regional is pretty laughable, and Discover Card is based in Riverwoods, Illinois, a Chicago suburb.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Discover Card is based in Riverwoods, Illinois, a Chicago suburb.

The Headquarters for Discover & Greenwood Trust are there, but their super-sized customer service/support center is based in SLC.



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
Another thought regarding PHX-PVD

the WN flight from PVD to PHXis always full.



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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 12):
Remember, once the certificates are merged, that doesn't have to be the case. That A319 can fly PHX-BDL-CLT-PIT-PHL-DEN-PHX instead of having to sit and wait for the turnaround back to PHX.

I agree. I actually think that once the certificates are merged we will see a 2nd daily flight on this route. One way that US can keep yields up in PHL and reduce delays there is to move connections to other hubs in the system where there is more room to expand.



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 15):
the WN flight from PVD to PHXis always full.

Just because WN experiences full loads, doesn't necessary mean it will be "profitable" for US into the market. The yields are pretty much trash on that route as it is a low-cost alternative to BOS. US already flies 4x daily flights on PHXBOS.



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

someone needs to give WN a run for their money at PVD


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 18):
someone needs to give WN a run for their money at PVD

Amen.

Focus Cities

BOS
LGA
MCO
FLL

Hubs

DCA
PIT
PHL
PHX
LAS
CLT

PVD could be very well the next US focus city. If I haven't listed them all, please correct me.

MCOflyer

[Edited 2006-11-02 21:08:52]


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 10):
My manager thought there was potential for us in TUS to get a PHL flight or even CLT

That would eliminate double-connections for flights from TUS to Europe.


User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 10):
My manager thought there was potential for us in TUS to get a PHL flight

I think this is probably a good possibility too, since UA seems to be liking their TUS-IAD flight.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 21):
I think this is probably a good possibility too, since UA seems to be liking their TUS-IAD flight.

It's only been 3 days. It is attractive though and at a good time.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
PVD could be very well the next US focus city. If I haven't listed them all, please correct me.

PVD is just too close to BOS and LGA. I personally don't see any additional focus cities coming anytime soon.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
PVD could be very well the next US focus city.

HPRamper is right, but US could do some connecting the dots at PVD.

They have as many if not more Gates than WN, and there always being used.

Except gate 1 is quite confusing because its labeled Gate one, but theres no jet way. There is a door for a jetway. Its questioning.



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25 Bobnwa : I'm curious, after only three flights, how do you know this?
26 FCYTravis : MCO and FLL are not focus cities, and DCA isn't a hub, it's a focus city. PIT is a "secondary hub."
27 Jetboy319 : I've heard this rumor as well. It would be interesting to see the response, if any from AS if US were to start this. After all, PDX is AAG's second l
28 Walter747 : i dont think that would happen but US does have more gates than WN and i think might offer more flights. The only hub and focus city not served from
29 PVD757 : while PVD will never be a 'focus city' for US, there are always opportunities for them to explore here. They are still the 2nd largest carrier here an
30 RL757PVD : I also believe PVD is US's largest non-hub/focus city station in the northeast. except for probably EWR... Dec sched shows: 13 mainline 4 70-90 seat R
31 Walter747 : whats this one for?
32 PVD757 : I like that idea!! they use it to RON park an aircraft, overflow at gate 1, and delays/cancellations/diversions when all the other gates are full. Th
33 Walter747 : oh, i see. ****filler
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