Mk777 From United States, joined Oct 2006, 1129 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
seat guru has 2 versions of AF B772 and B744. what version of B772 flies IAD-CDG and what version of B744 flies CDG-DEL. I might be taking this route and was wondering about the seats and the entertainment system in business and economy.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 3907 posts, RR: 78 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
This winter, CDG DEL is operated with the two remaining 3-class B744s in the fleet, whereas the CDG IAD route is mostly operated with the B772s in the old configuration, although the retrofitted B772s should be introduced on the route in the course of the season.
Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1094 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
I flew the AF028 flight to IAD in J three weeks ago (B772) and it was equipped with the new (NEV) seats. MK777, If you look at seatguru, it corresponds to the version 2 of B777-200 (the one with 4 seats in P).
Remember that all 777 (old or new seats) have PTV in all classes. B744 have PTV in J of course and in Y only at the upper deck, except 3 A/C which have PTV at all seats (see reply 57 of FlySSC in this other on-going discussion : AF Summer 2007 - 744 To ATL, 6th JFK And Others (by HB-IWC Oct 29 2006 in Civil Aviation)#menu51
- Old Version : 13P / 58J (28 main deck + 30 Upper deck) / 324Y
2 aircraft in this configuration, F-GISA & F-GISB. No Ptvs in Y. Will not be reconfigured as they will be converted into Freighters very soon (2007).
- "Classic" New Version : 40J / 396Y including 60 seats at the Upper deck.
PTVs in Y at the upper deck only on 6 aircraft : F-GEXA/XB, F-GISC/SD/SE, F-GITE.
PTVs in ALL the Y class including the main deck on 3 aircraft : F-GITH/TI/TJ.
- "COI" New Version : 17J / 57S "Alizée Class - Premium Economy / 400M - Tempo Vacances. PTVs in "S" at the upper deck only.
5 Aircraft in this configuration : F-GITA/TB/TC/TD/TF.
This last configuration was created mostly for the flights to the French overseas Departements (RUN/PTP/FDF) but as the flights to those destinations are now operated with brand new B773ER (since last summer for PTP & FDF, starting next Feb.2007 for RUN), this configuration will disappear after the last 3 B773ER will be delivered to ORY to replace them (early 2007).
These 5 B744 will be again reconfigured into the "Classic" version 40J/396J (still PTVs in Y at the Upper deck, not on the main deck).
Question :
Why PTVs at the upper deck and not on the main deck ?
Answer :
Those aircraft are not old ... but not so new either. They were configured with Business Class at the Upper deck, and with seats already offering PTVs. All the wires and electrical system was already there. But that was not the case on the main deck, after Door 2 where it has always been Economy Class with no PTVs, and it would have cost a fortune (and too much time of immobilisation in maintenance) to upgrade the eclectric system of the main deck to install PTVs in Y in this part of the plane.
Question :
So Why 3 aircraft TH/TI/TJ have PTVs in Y on the main deck also ?
Answer :
Because those aircraft are the last 3 B744 delivered to AF, in 2003 (F-GITH/TI) and 2004 (F-GITJ), well after rest of the fleet*, and were already fitted by the Manufacturer with all the electric system required to install PTVs.
*Before those last 3 B744 were delivered, the last B744 delivered to AF was F-GISE in ... Feb. 1993.
Question :
Why is there no F-GITG in the Registration ?
Answer :
F-GITG did exist ... But was actually never taken up by Air France. It was supposed to be delivered in Jan.1993 but AF had a lot of problems at that time and really didn't need this aircraft ... and could not afford it.
So it went straight to the Marana desert to be stored ... until it was bought by Royal Air Maroc inOctober 1993, and still operates with them as CN-RGA.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 6340 posts, RR: 64 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1147 times:
The "new" configuration for the B772ER was initially planned to 8P / 49J / 193Y ... but there is less and less demand for First Class, except on certain lines, and with 8 seats, most of the time it would not be full or would be filled with upgraded PAX.
That's why it was decided to put only 4 seats in P, that would enable to put more seats in Y.
The situation is different for the B773ER, bigger aircraft, used on the largest routes.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 6340 posts, RR: 64 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1023 times:
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 7): I am assuming no as not enough pax!
Not at all ! IAD is an important station for AF and one of AF's highest yield route in North America.
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 7): Do you think IAD can expect the B773ER?
The B773ER was already regularly used to IAD in a recent past, when the second Daily flight was operated with an A332.
Then a Third Daily flight was added during the summer, so no more B773ER on the route, and now the 2 x Daily CDG-IAD-CDG during the winter schedule are both operated by a B772ER
Aaflt1871 From United States, joined Dec 2004, 2281 posts, RR: 21 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1020 times:
Quoting Mk777 (Reply 7): Do you think IAD can expect the B773ER?
Washington's Dulles airport will receive an eclectic mix of Air France aircraft next year, when the airline will deploy the B772, B773 and A332 on its three daily flights.
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