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First 787 Delivery Set On 28APR08 To ANA  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

Japan's Wing Daily (on 13OCT06 edition) reported that the first Boeing 787, will be delivered to ANA on April 28, 2008. It doesn't say whether the -3 or -8 will be delivered first.

This is based on Boeing's meeting with authorities regarding 787's type certificate.

Quote:
ボーイング、787のT/C取得で各国当局と会議
 ANAは08年4月28日に787を受領の予定


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

I believe this is a repeat (double) post.

But FYI - The first unit delivered will certainly be a 787-8

Almost 4 years to the day of them placing their launch order...


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

it's hard to believe that in only 18 months it will be delivered, and they haven't assembled 1 yet. If Boeing succeeds on this tight schedule, it will be an amazing feat. I'm not so sure they won't have a delay of a month, but we'll see...


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):

Probably it's hiding in the long post somewhere  Silly


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10732 times:

I'm hoping Boeing can meet this ambitious timetable. Composite laminates are very finicky materials to be manufactured especially on large scales with complex shapes that act in a load bearing capacity. However, I'm sure that if Boeing is gambling it's commercial division on the 787, it must be quite confident that the 787 will meet minimal delays during prototyping and certification.


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Is there a delivery schedule by airline? If ANA is first, who is 2nd & 3rd & 4th? Where will they be used? I assume ANA will use to North America?

User currently offlineA380Heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10416 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
it's hard to believe that in only 18 months it will be delivered, and they haven't assembled 1 yet. If Boeing succeeds on this tight schedule, it will be an amazing feat. I'm not so sure they won't have a delay of a month, but we'll see...



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 4):
I'm hoping Boeing can meet this ambitious timetable. Composite laminates are very finicky materials to be manufactured especially on large scales with complex shapes that act in a load bearing capacity. However, I'm sure that if Boeing is gambling it's commercial division on the 787, it must be quite confident that the 787 will meet minimal delays during prototyping and certification.

The level of confidence at Boeing is utterly astounding especially given all the problems being faced at Airbus.

I am amazed that when you consider all of the new materials and innovations earmarked for the 787, that Boeing can say with apparent surity that 28th April 2008 WILL be the delivery date - but good luck to them.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10350 times:

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 6):
The level of confidence at Boeing is utterly astounding especially given all the problems being faced at Airbus.

The problems at Airbus are because of Airbus, Boeing has an excellent track record of delivering the goods when promised.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10333 times:

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 6):
The level of confidence at Boeing is utterly astounding especially given all the problems being faced at Airbus.

It appears that the root cause of the WhaleJet fiasco (other than the mistaken decision to build it at all) was a failure of IT management. I think there is no doubt that America leads the world in IT management. Boeing have a history of delivering on time. While there is always a possibility that something could go terribly wrong, there is no reason no to believe they will miss the date. Their schedule has room built in for slippage. It's not the case that everything must go exactly according to plan in order for Boeing to deliver on time.


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

I hope Boeing is smarter than airbus but I'll bet they are cause they had these troubles in the 90ies and hopefully they learned the lesson never to let these things happen again.
Anyway a few months delay is always possible and no big deal if it stays a few.
But if they meet that target... awesome.

Regds
jush



There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10298 times:

Well its not terribly far off so we should know what happens !! Good luck to boeing and hopefully they can deliver a good product on time and at cost !

User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10287 times:

That's pretty ballsy actually stating the definite date. Did they say what time they would hand it over?

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 11):
That's pretty ballsy actually stating the definite date. Did they say what time they would hand it over?

10:37 PST (20:37 UTC)

I know there are some Airbus fans who, if Boeing miss that by 2 or 3 minutes will say: "So what if the WhaleJet was slightly late? So was the B787."

 duck 


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

The delivery for ANA´s 1st 787 will be set late 2008, oct-dec due to weight issues.

 twocents 

Micke//  Wink



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2938 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Most certainly the first 787s will undergo some domestic flights for at least a couple of months before turning over to int'l ops.
Even if delivery is April 28, it probably won't enter service for a few more weeks as NH & JL take more time than at other airlines for pilot training when introducing a totally new aircraft type (it seems).


User currently offlineNewSky From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Personally I hope they deliver it just 1 day later than planned, April 29th 2008 will be my 21st birthday, would be a cool present!

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 14):
Even if delivery is April 28, it probably won't enter service for a few more weeks as NH & JL take more time than at other airlines for pilot training when introducing a totally new aircraft type (it seems).

One month is a typical time from delivery to EIS of a new type. If JL and NH takes more time, then it would be June before passenger service commences.


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10099 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):
Is there a delivery schedule by airline? If ANA is first, who is 2nd & 3rd & 4th? Where will they be used? I assume ANA will use to North America?

I've read ET takes the 2nd or the 3rd. Can anyone confirm.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3588 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 13):
The delivery for ANA´s 1st 787 will be set late 2008, oct-dec due to weight issues.

Source please? Or is this your "expert prognostocation".


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

@ DLPMMM

I´m no expert whatsoever and you know it, but I do have eyes to read with. Btw, did you see the "twocents" in my reply?

Don´t you read aviation magazines and at Boeings website? You´ll find most of the 787 weight problems there...

Micke// 

[Edited 2006-11-01 14:56:26]


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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9854 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 18):
Source please? Or is this your "expert prognostocation".

It's just Micke's way of being funny sarcastic  There's no need to take it seriously...


User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9747 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 4):
I'm hoping Boeing can meet this ambitious timetable. Composite laminates are very finicky materials to be manufactured especially on large scales with complex shapes that act in a load bearing capacity. However, I'm sure that if Boeing is gambling it's commercial division on the 787, it must be quite confident that the 787 will meet minimal delays during prototyping and certification.

The schedule is not ambitious at all. From previous introductions of new jets, Boeing took at most 1 year from first flight to EIS, with an average of 10 months. So, that's about 9 months from first flight to first delivery. I am sure Boeing doesn't really gamble everything on 787. Look at Airbus, they survive a 2 years delay on A380.  Wink

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 6):
The level of confidence at Boeing is utterly astounding especially given all the problems being faced at Airbus.

I am amazed that when you consider all of the new materials and innovations earmarked for the 787, that Boeing can say with apparent surity that 28th April 2008 WILL be the delivery date - but good luck to them.

When 747 was introduced, it was new materials and innovations. When 777 was introduces, it was new materials and innovations. Yet, Boeing managed to have first delivery on time.

Airbus's problem is with computer design and the inability to communicate between divisions. I don't really see that happening in Boeing. FYI, Boeing has used computer prototyping for the development of 777.

Quoting NewSky (Reply 15):
Personally I hope they deliver it just 1 day later than planned, April 29th 2008 will be my 21st birthday, would be a cool present!

It will probably happen. Keep your fingers crossed  Wink

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5728 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9698 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 20):
It's just Micke's way of being funny There's no need to take it seriously...

True. People here tend to ignore his incoherent ramblings and move on. Maybe he'll go away.  Big grin



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 17):

I've read ET takes the 2nd or the 3rd. Can anyone confirm.

Ethiopian seem to be on course to be the 2nd to get it. or Any one of 5 chinese carriers gets them because Olympics begins on 08AUG08.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4794 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 13):
The delivery for ANA´s 1st 787 will be set late 2008, oct-dec due to weight issues.


Just commenting on this statement as it reads literally. There is no weight issue. At this stage it is heavier than their targetted weight but they have made it very clear that it is within the guarantee's given to the airlines.


25 Gigneil : The 747 was very, very late. NS
26 NYC777 : What are you talking about? The 747 was delivered 2 months late due to roblems with the engines.
27 Trex8 : present performance from BCA perhaps but not 10 years ago and IDS performance is nothing to rant about today given the charges on the 737AEW delays
28 Post contains links Katekebo : No, it wasn't. It was a couple of months late, due to engine issues. Why people continue stating that crap without bothering to read some readily ava
29 Sphealey : > It appears that the root cause of the WhaleJet > fiasco (other than the mistaken decision to build > it at all) was a failure of IT management. I th
30 Johnny : 28th April 2008...? A very ambitious schedule. Let us all cross our fingers that Boeing will do it better than Airbus! Johnny
31 PolymerPlane : Even if it's April 28th 2010, it's still gonna be ambitious to you right? I just don't see how April 28th 2008 is ambitious. it's still 1.5 years fro
32 ANstar : When are QF receiving there first batch?
33 Keesje : Who communicated the date, Boeing, ANA or someone else? History in the MAKING..
34 Johnny : @ PolymerPlane I am getting angry about your on-going critism of my posts. I said, as you can read, that April 2008 is ambitious.And it is ambitious,
35 Zvezda : I find it interesting that Johnny objects to PolymerPlane's posts and answers because they are unbiased. I'm not sure everyone here would agree with
36 Post contains images Beech19 : Technically the 747 wasn't late, it was the motors. hehe Boeing had dozens of 747's packed onto the KPAE flightline waiting for motors. If P&W did th
37 N328KF : 2009 for Qantas mainline. Qantas Jetstar will receive theirs in 2008.
38 Adria : I also think there will be a delay (I also believe that it will be more than just a couple of months)...new materials, new engine technology and some
39 Filton : There is no way on earth that aircraft will be delivered to its first customer by the 28th April 2008. And I am an optimist!
40 G5 : I have to agree with PolymerPlane on this one. Anyone who travels throughout Europe knows of the unique cultures within each country. When you look at
41 Ikramerica : Of course you do. This was to be expected. The engines are already testing correctly, the materials are causing troubles with one supplier (reportedl
42 Ken777 : Wasn't there a story a while back about Boeing maintaining production during testing, allowing for multiple frames being ready when the plane is certi
43 Post contains images Beech19 : I remember hearing the same thing. Granted they won't be at full production rate or anything. But i beleive its true.
44 F22KA : Filton, you might be an optimist but you sound silly, not doubt about it.
45 Zvezda : That is exactly what I meant in the WhaleJet case. I'm sure someone suggested upgrading everyone to CATIA v5 and management said No. That was a catas
46 Post contains images AirFrnt : Please disconnect Airbus and Boeing here. Just because Airbus failed, doesn't mean Boeing will. The 787 (imho) is a far more ambitious project then t
47 Antoniemey : Apparently you aren't.
48 Morvious : Indeed.. The A380 is not the 787, Airbus isn't Boeing, the next Airbus project can also be on time!! Some people need to grow up on this forum! The p
49 Post contains images RedFlyer : Comments like these absolutely astound me. Simply put, what you are saying is that since Airbus had big problems with a new project then Boeing will
50 Snn2003 : Go Boeing!!!! Make us proud! op·ti·mist (pt-mst):One who usually expects a favorable outcome, Key word usually...
51 RedFlyer : I would assume Boeing was particularly aware of potential IT issues since around 70 - 80% of the 787's construction has been outsourced. When they de
52 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : First, I believe the 787 is on an ambitious schedule. Not because of the material issue but rather delivery to customer after initiation of flight tes
53 HighFlyer9790 : When are we looking at its first flight?
54 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Calling the 737NG a derivative is a bit of a stretch
55 DLPMMM : I think you may be misinformed on this. Up until now, Boeing has not publicly released any date for either the first flight or EIS. Given how freely
56 PolymerPlane : 727-- First flight=02/29/63, EIS=02/1964 (~11-12mo's) 737-100-- First flight=04/09/67, delivery=12/28/67 (8 mo's. 19 days), EIS=02/10/68 (10mo's 1 da
57 Post contains images Lightsaber : Nice data. Pardon me if I stick with my "12 month rule of thumb." Is the extra 787 enough? Could be. If this delivery date to customer is accurate...
58 Ikramerica : Especially since I was under the original impression that first flight was to be June 2007, not August as Zvezda has stated in another post. If the A
59 Post contains links Beech19 : The following link from Aerospace Technology is the only thing i can find referencing a "specific" FF time. This is saying August 2007. http://www.aer
60 Ikramerica : While that article mentions August 2007 for FF, it has no information on EIS or certification beyond "2008" and it reads like a book report by a 10 ye
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