B777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12105 times:
Delta's flight 16 starts today (Atlanta-JFK-Mumbai). First time in a while that I can remember that DL will have a 777 at JFK on regular runs. Flight 16 gets into JFK at 1920L and departs at 2120L for the 14h 25min flight. DL flt 17 clocks in at just under 16 hours on the return to JFK....that has to be DL's current longest segment. Anyone from a.net going to be at JFK, will be cool to get some inagural pics.
Also anyone from DL, how many seats will they be blocking out of ATL for through passengers to Mumbai? I imagine they will not want to sell too many for just the ATL-JKF segment.
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11711 times:
This flight will have all sorts of logistical nightmares for the tech-staff, ground crews as well as the pilots since weight and cargo will be big issues with a 772ER. JFK-BOM is certainly a flight that DL could use a 772LR on. But it is important for DL to get a customer base on this flight since this half way around the world flight is going to be their future as well as the future of additional service they want to add in the next few years.
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B777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11678 times:
The logistical nightmares aside, the flight planners have also the routing and the daily NOTAMs from the US military in ref. to Afganistan to contend with. Should be an interesting night for the first cockpit crew on this route. I wonder this being the first flight if DL will have the return crew already in place via the 763 service via CDG that ended yesterday?
9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11653 times:
This flight is severely weight restricted on the VABB-KJFK leg. I have heard that they will be literally be running on fumes! My lab has been asked to look into designing an optimum arrival procedure for them... lets see what happens!
Jbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 549 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11449 times:
Quoting B777ER (Reply 3): Yea, the only airports in the US that have seen the DL 777 in these last couple years have been MCO (which currently does not see it) and LAX (which currently has one flight a day from ATL).
CVG has had the CDG flight on and off as a 777 for the last several years. It appears that yesterday was the last flight with it, and its now a 767. Can anybody guess where the plane to operate the Mumbai flight came from?
I ask this because the flight from CDG-CVG operates today as a 777 arriving at 2:55 pm ET, will Delta reposition the plane to JFK, or ATL to operate the India flight or will a seperate craft do that?
On a side note.. CVG also loses the AMS, and FCO non-stops. Any idea where these 767s position out to? Do they appear elsewhere in the schedule?
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11193 times:
From what I heard over at flyertalk the loads were extremely good for the first month. I am glad about this service since I go to BOM at least twice a year and this will definetly save me time, hassle of changing planes and the probability of losing my bags at CDG The real fun will be when DL gets the 777LR's with the flat-beds can't wait for that.(Hearing about the weight restrictions with the ER, I'm assuming they will use the LR for this route) I will try(as always fail) to do a trip report when I take the flight to BOM soon.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10222 times:
Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 7): This flight is severely weight restricted on the VABB-KJFK leg.
what do you consider severely weight restricted? my sources tell me DL is reducing the capacity by less than 20 seats and only for the first couple months at most until they are familiar w/ the capabilities of the 777ER and how ATC will handle them. Sounds like prudence rather than an incapable aircraft.
DL has recently retimed the eastbound leg to just under 16 hrs which is similar to CO's EWRHKG flight.
Also, airlines don't block a certain number of seats for use from one gateway or the other. Airlines like DL use sophisticated revenue management systems that take the highest valued passenger for DL's network regardless of the origin. The most valued passenger may connect in ATL or may be a local passenger in NYC and the optimum mix for the JFKBOM flight will continue to change as bookings on other flights change.
Yep - it just came in from ATL to Gate 6 here at Terminal 3. I'm on the flight to BOM tonight (thank goodness in Business) - will try to write a Trip Report at some point. Flight leaves JFK tonight at 2120 and arrives BOM 2210 tomorrow evening local.
RyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10129 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 19): what do you consider severely weight restricted? my sources tell me DL is reducing the capacity by less than 20 seats and only for the first couple months at most until they are familiar w/ the capabilities of the 777ER and how ATC will handle them. Sounds like prudence rather than an incapable aircraft.
The cargo load must be non existant, though. Maybe someone familiar with technical operations at Delta would be able to comment, but my guess is that there will be no revenue cargo on the trip - which is why these long-hauls really have to be able to generate an airfare premium. If they ran this trip as a one stop via CDG, they would have a much greater economic pad via cargo revenue. This is why the LR will be so important - as you have a whole lot more payload to play with.
And no one says the airplane is incapable. It is simply at the very far edge of its own range and payload design.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10027 times:
obviously DL believes that they will get better revenue than when they operated it one-stop. given that business class is full days in advance, they are obviously making money up there if they are doing any kind of revenue control at all.
and just because cargo won't be carried westbound doesn't mean it can't be carried eastbound. The eastbound flight is shorter than other DL 777 flights which are known to carry significant amounts of cargo.
When you are the only airline providing nonstop service, you will get premium revenues for both passengers and cargo. If your capacity is limited, you force the prices up to compensate for the reduced capacity. remember that we are about ready to enter the peak winter season for VFR travel to/from India.
and while the 777LR may make sense in time, it's still possible that DL will choose to operate an LR on ATLBOM nonstop since almost all of the other proposed routes the LR would be used on are to/from ATL. DL could easily make its JFKBOM route a passenger route while ATL exists for the cargo business and the abundance of connections that can be made in ATL. Even if other airlines add new nonstop service to BOM, no one is talking about anything from an interior gateway - and it might not even be possible to do so w/o an LR. Therefore, if DL started ATLBOM service to supplement JFKBOM they would undoubtedly pretty well wrap up the US-BOM market.
Buck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9888 times:
I'm wondering, if they do good on this route, will they try to fly to Delhi? Currently, Delta doesn't fly to Delhi, only AF does. DEL is also a very good market from JFK; a reason why AI will be starting non-stop service on one of their new 777s.
anyone know why they can't fly to DEL? Similarly, NW flies to BOM; however KL flies to DEL. I don't understand this...
: I could see them starting service to DEL in the future, once they got more 777's. They could have started it now, but they'd be competing with AA and
: I got off the ATL-JFK leg. It seems that alot of buisness seats were blocked. Two pallet stacks rode. It looks like they are planning to send a lot o
: What other DL 777 sectors block in the 14 hour neighborhood? As far as I understand even at the 656,000 pound MGTOW the -200ER is pretty stretched at
: As you said, the system will show availability only for the "best" passengers taking into account many factors but mainly the fare they pay. However,