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B On 748i "We Dont Have A Launch Customer".  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

"Boeing Co. may not see a substantial order for its new 747-8 passenger jumbo before the end of the year, even as Airbus delays deliveries of its competing A380, one of the U.S. planemaker's executives said on Tuesday."

Surprising. I would have tought that atleast some airline would show more than just an healty interest.

Did LH already signalled that it will not order 748i aircraft this year? Didn't they announce they would order new aircraft, likely before the end of the year, just as BA said?

"We potentially could have an order by the end of this year," said Dan Mooney, vice president of Boeing's 747 program, on a conference call on Tuesday. "But confident is probably too strong a word."

Confident a strong word? So even KE has still a long way to go before signing up?

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"We don't have a launch customer," said Mooney, despite "pretty broad" interest from airlines.




http://asia.news.yahoo.com/061031/3/2s5w1.html


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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5165 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15134 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Confident a strong word? So even KE has still a long way to go before signing up?

They're a public company. They have to be very careful and extremely accurate with public pronouncements about sales.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15066 times:

Indeed. What surprises me is CX. They were the odds-on favorite to launch the passenger version even when it was still the 747-Advanced.

They sure have been quiet lately...


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15037 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 1):

They're a public company. They have to be very careful and extremely accurate with public pronouncements about sales.

In contrast with another's rather cavalier treatment of its public and customers?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14994 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
"We potentially could have an order by the end of this year,"

With only 2 months left, sounds like they are saying "don't give up the ship, but the end of the year is coming fast..."

I think it really depends on when BA, KE and others publicly talk about their future plans. Right now, they are talking about making the decision by the end of the year, but that doesn't mean they will actually place those orders for any aircraft by the end of the year.

Other than some 737s, I can't think of any carrier who's going to buy a large number of any Boeing planes by the end of the year, really. Maybe a freight company signs on for 6-10 frames a couple more times.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14943 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
I think it really depends on when BA, KE and others publicly talk about their future plans. Right now, they are talking about making the decision by the end of the year, but that doesn't mean they will actually place those orders for any aircraft by the end of the year.

 checkmark  I feel we could well see an announcement yet contract finalisation could well be held over until 2007

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Other than some 737s, I can't think of any carrier who's going to buy a large number of any Boeing planes by the end of the year, really.

In my opinion we'll see many smaller orders confrimed that will add up to a larger number of signed orders by year end, in particular for the 777 series. It would not surprise me if we see the number of firm 777s doubled to over 50 by year end given TAM, China Southern, Emirates, GECAS or ILFC (for EK) and Air China. As for the 748-F or 787 there's a chance of some good orders out there but refer above about announcement and contract finalisation.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14934 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Did LH already signalled that it will not order 748i aircraft this year? Didn't they announce they would order new aircraft, likely before the end of the year, just as BA said?

Perhaps they are simply not interested right now. And I am also guessing with news that Boeing is going ahead and lengthening the fuselage, most of the proposed customers are going to have to re-evaluate their intentions.

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
So even KE has still a long way to go before signing up?

It would seem so. You would probably pick them as being the lauch customer at this point however. They have shown the strongest interest and have always been a strong Boeing customer.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
With only 2 months left, sounds like they are saying "don't give up the ship, but the end of the year is coming fast..."

Exactly, and this time of year is traditionally the point of the year where airlines slow down their orders and focus on the figures. This plane will book orders but probably not yet.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14917 times:

Please see this link for a more in-depth statement about the 748I. The original quote is somewhat misleading in that it's not the entire quote.

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=6950


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14916 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Other than some 737s, I can't think of any carrier who's going to buy a large number of any Boeing planes by the end of the year, really. Maybe a freight company signs on for 6-10 frames a couple more times.

Many airlines have RFPs out as of now. Pending orders include: Lufthansa, British Airways, Aeroflot, Air France, Emirates, Thai Airways, Cathay Pacific, Japan Airlines (747-8), Philippines Airlines, and Singapore Air (at least 747-8F).

There are also the "if they had money, they would order" airlines:
American, Delta, and United.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14861 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):
or ILFC (for EK)

With Boeing refusing to rule out two fuselage lengths, EK remains a longshot for a yearend order.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...es+to+rule+out+two+lengths+of.html



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14765 times:
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DEVILFISH, If I may my good man my point was in reference to the 777 series and not the 747-8 series in relation to the quote I referenced from Ikramecia.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14747 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Did LH already signalled that it will not order 748i aircraft this year? Didn't they announce they would order new aircraft, likely before the end of the year, just as BA said?



Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 6):

Perhaps they are simply not interested right now. And I am also guessing with news that Boeing is going ahead and lengthening the fuselage, most of the proposed customers are going to have to re-evaluate their intentions.

I believe there are three options right now:
1) LH wants a package deal and will not place an order for the 747-8I before they have decided on the 787 and the A350. So this would mean no decision before spring 2007.

2) The package deal also includes cargo aircraft and they have not made a decision yet on what to take. The 777F or the 747-8F.

3) They still evaluating what suits their requirements best for a 747-400 replacement the 777-300ER or 747-8. For this option speaks this statement on Bloomberg two weeks ago:

Quoting Bloomberg:

A decision about buying Boeing's 747-8 is ''not affected'' by Airbus's plans (regarding the A350), Mayrhuber said. ''That's a different ballgame.'' The company's fleet manager, Nico Buchholz, said then that a decision would probably come in December. The carrier is also considering Boeing's 777-300ER model.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14293 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 3):
In contrast with another's rather cavalier treatment of its public and customers?

Not sure why you try to differt the attention to another company. This topic is about Boeing and the 748i.

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 6):
and this time of year is traditionally the point of the year where airlines slow down their orders and focus on the figures.

The sales that Airbus is announcing lately seem to suggest otherwise. Perhaps this might be the case for Boeing, altough I seen to remember that Boeing booked a lot of orders aswell towards the end of the year.

Quoting Columba (Reply 11):

I believe there are three options right now:

Perhaps there is a fourth option. The 748i is toast at LH, and just like QF and SQ, the options on the A380 will be converted.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14223 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
Perhaps there is a fourth option. The 748i is toast at LH, and just like QF and SQ, the options on the A380 will be converted.

I think this is the most likely option (or some blend of this and the others). An option exercise by LH is Airbus' best chance for selling more WhaleJets.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14163 times:

As said in most other threads most 747-400 are not very old so do not need replacement soon.

Apart from that the industry is fragmenting so many routes will be picked by smaller aircraft like the 777/787 offering even lower CASM (which is decisive).

The niche market for >450 is pretty limited. It's a miracle Boeing is investing here.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14067 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
As said in most other threads most 747-400 are not very old so do not need replacement soon.

Apart from that the industry is fragmenting so many routes will be picked by smaller aircraft like the 777/787 offering even lower CASM (which is decisive).

The niche market for >450 is pretty limited. It's a miracle Boeing is investing here.

I agree with all of this. I do want to ask you though: If it's a miracle that Boeing are investing as much as $2B on top of the already $2B invested to replace the JumboJet, is it not also a miracle that Airbus are investing about $20B in the VLA market?


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14046 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
The sales that Airbus is announcing lately seem to suggest otherwise. Perhaps this might be the case for Boeing, altough I seen to remember that Boeing booked a lot of orders aswell towards the end of the year.

Airbus is generally the exception to the rule. As I believe PanAm_DC10 pointed out in another thread, Airbus tend to announce orders much later in the year than say Boeing, Embraer and Bombardier.



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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2267 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13945 times:

Well, they have to see where Boeing is in Q4 and then shove Chirac on the train to Beijing with the magic number on a piece of paper.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13947 times:

This topic is the subject of James Wallace's "Aerospace Notebook" in today's Seattle PI:

No takers yet for the passenger 747-8

...Sources have told the Seattle P-I that Lufthansa could be the customer that kick-starts the flow of orders for the Intercontinental. The airline is considering a significant order for perhaps as many as 30 jets, the sources say.

In an interview with the P-I earlier this year, Wolfgang Mayrhuber, Lufthansa's chief executive, described the 747-8 Intercontinental as "an attractive" plane that the airline was "seriously" considering. It would replace older 747-400s in the Lufthansa fleet, he said.

Lufthansa, one of the customers for the 555-passenger Airbus A380, has indicated it will make a decision about its long-haul fleet requirements, including the 747-8, within the next few months...


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290656_air01.html


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13896 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
Perhaps there is a fourth option. The 748i is toast at LH, and just like QF and SQ, the options on the A380 will be converted.

I am following the LH deal very closely and from what I have read during the last few months coming from LH regarding the 747-400 replacement it seems to be only a race between the 777-300ER and the 747-8. Buchholz recently said that they are not planning to buy additional A380 from the 15 ordered in the near future.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13870 times:

James Wallace also tried to write Qantas into the 747-8
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/274668_air21.html

and Singapore Airlines to.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/266659_boeing14.html

James really believes in the 747-8 and most other (Boeing) aircraft for that matter.

Google is mercyless.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13816 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 20):
James really believes in the 747-8 and most other (Boeing) aircraft for that matter.

Google is mercyless.

Gee Keesje, I wonder which one of you has a higher batting average over the years of "fanciful" insights which prove to be complete duds?

[Edited 2006-11-01 14:45:13]

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13777 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
am following the LH deal very closely and from what I have read during the last few months coming from LH regarding the 747-400 replacement it seems to be only a race between the 777-300ER and the 747-8. Buchholz recently said that they are not planning to buy additional A380 from the 15 ordered in the near future.

An interesting insight. I bet they go with the 777 for most of this order and sprinkle in a few 747-8I.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13725 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
An interesting insight. I bet they go with the 777 for most of this order and sprinkle in a few 747-8I.

Don´t nail me on this one since I am no insider. It is only my assumption after reading the statements of high ranked LH officials during the last months.



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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13686 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):
contract finalisation could well be held over until 2007

It is not a bad idea to keep some heavy value orders into FY2007. I believe some carriers will announce the orders but will not be finalized till 2007. As is Boeing's practice, they do not announce as orders (into the books) till they are finalized.

Having said that, we can expect orders from KE, BA, LH and EK for B748i. Yes, EK... and Boeing will make the shorter frames if they go with say 30 as a launch customer. 30 @ $250M is substantial ($7B++)!! This is just my hunch.

What do you guys and gals think?


25 Post contains images Stitch : Well one of Mr. Wallace's 2001 articles about the 747-X that Keesje referred to did correctly predict KE, 5Y, NH, and others would order the freighte
26 JAAlbert : I think the topic title is somewhat misleading, suggesting that Boeing cannot find a launch customer. That is not what the article says. The article s
27 Post contains images Stitch : Well it is a direct quote, if a partial one.
28 Manni : Having just read the article in the link Leelaw provided, if the writer isn't living in his own world and the article is based on good research, I so
29 Columba : The article is very interesting I also find it interesting that it states that LH was one of the airlines pushing Boeing hard to make the Intercontine
30 Manni : It doesn't suggest that. It suggest what is written, that they don't have a launch customer. There appear to be 3 units sold as private jets, but cle
31 Trex8 : that didn't stop them launching the freighter whose design they only just firmed up! the real problem seems to be that their are two groups of airlin
32 NAV20 : My own feeling is that we are all witnessing a very unusual 'crunch point.' Given that US airlines are still strapped for cash, the main source of sui
33 Leskova : You know... that nonsense that you, and others, keep posting won't suddenly turn true just because you keep repeating it.
34 Post contains images Elvis777 : Hi Nav, Yeah I see your point, but there is still that untangible benefit of all those california blondes!! Peace Elvis777
35 Post contains images Keesje : Well if you do a good search you can find me: - predicting the 787/A350 during the Sonic Cruiser era, - announcing the A320 Enhanced 3 months before
36 Post contains images Manni : Doubt it very much 3 of the 4 largest 747 operators (AF/KL, LH, VS) have already chosen the A380, while BA is on the brink of ordering the A380... Ch
37 Post contains images Leelaw : I didn't suggest that all of your "insights" were bogus, just most of them.
38 Ikramerica : But none will have deposit checks written and contracts sign by Christmas... There is little doubt that LH and AF will take A380 follow ons. No, only
39 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Given your complete koolaid for Airbus, I'm not surprised you brought up a misleading thread.. However, at the very least, stop lying ....BA aren't o
40 Stitch : While I just can't come to accept that those airlines are being pressured by their MPs/députés/deputies, even if that is indeed the case, if they f
41 Post contains images Zvezda : No, the B747-8 SuperJumbo has been a much better chance among north american airlines than the WhaleJet, but both are vanishingly small. I have more
42 Manni : Nothing misleading about this thread, as already pointed out in a previous reply. If you can not handle, these sort of threads, take a deep breath an
43 PlaneHunter : How much are you into German politics? I tell you it's absurd to believe LH managers would have to show up in the Kanzleramt to explain a Boeing orde
44 Elvis777 : Hi Folks, As to my previous post, I have been gently and courteously informed of an error. Peace Elvis777
45 Post contains links Manni : http://www.guardian.co.uk/airlines/s...,,1924841,00.html#article_continue Wednesday October 18, 2006 British Airways is looking at the A380 aircraft a
46 Columba : This is what Lufthansa´s fleet manager has to say about that matter:
47 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Fair point, Stitch, except that Boeing don't HAVE to sell any 748Is. Freighter sales alone look like paying for the 748's development cost, and it's
48 Zvezda : Sorry, but there would most certainly be investors willing to buy junkbonds in Airbus or EADS. Sell them at auction, someone will buy, though EADS mi
49 StuckInCA : Pretty ironic to have both statements in the same post. And, if I do a good search I can find you starting a whole thread with the title: "Airbus Poi
50 Stitch : I admit to thinking this morning - "Is the 787 the 21st Century A300?" - in that the A300 was a "game-changer" in that it was the world's first wideb
51 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...and what does "pointed out in a previous reply" have anything to do with it...? I am making an observation and commenting on it... When does "Brit
52 Post contains images Keesje : Well if you read the topic.. Boeing is living credit & promises at this moment. 717, 757, 767 stopped 747 passenger, how many have been sold since no
53 Ikramerica : Does Germany work in some unique way that the rest of the world doesn't? Politicians pressure corporations all over the world, all the time. To make
54 Stitch : The 767 is still going, albeit at a significantly reduced rate. Actually, I believe the last non-VIP passenger 747 sold in 2002. How many 744BCFs hav
55 Stitch : I will agree that their may be pressure brought to bear on LH. However, I do not believe that LH will capitulate to that pressure.
56 Jfk777 : If Emirates wants to have a longer range shorter length 748 then Boeing should accomodate them to get the program launched if they order enough airpla
57 PlaneHunter : That's a general view, not valid for any company. It's only silly to suggest they feel pressure by politicians without presenting any piece of eviden
58 Ikramerica : That's different. The statements in question were referring to LH, AF and BA having to shelve order announcements for 748i aircraft for a while due t
59 Columba : As Lufthansa ordered the A346 in the first place and the additional seven in 2004 they made perfectly sense for them. Would they place these orders t
60 PlaneHunter : LH introduced the A340 when the B777 wasn't available yet, LH built up a large fleet and supplemented it with larger A346 models. And they did that a
61 Walter747 : i think BA or AF would be a good launch costumer.
62 Stitch : I am sure Boeing is willing to accomodate EK. The question appears to be whether or not EK is willing to accomodate Boeing by buying enough in a firm
63 Trex8 : Berlin can talk but the LH management are as likely to succumb to pressure from them as UA or AAs board to "pressure" from Washington
64 Keesje : and Stitch passed the criteria for my RU list. While I don't agree with him in most (90%?) cases he doesn't get provoked into personal attacks even w
65 Post contains images Glideslope : Right, those 319's to that new US LCC. LOL.
66 Manni : If you would have cared to post both quotes in the full context you would have noticed that I was answering to posters who took a quote from a post o
67 Shenzhen : B On 748i "We Dont Have A Launch Customer". Hmmmm... since Boeing hasn't yet anounced an order from an airline, where is the news. I guess if in the n
68 RedChili : Actually, I never expected 2006 to see many VLA orders, so I'm not surprised that Boeing does not have a launch customer for the 748I yet. This year h
69 TeamAmerica : There is a difference between extemporaneous speech and a carefully prepared statement. BA is certainly looking at the A380, but his statement likely
70 2wingtips : This appears to be the salient point mentioned yesterday in ATW's online news: "Boeing so far has received 44 orders for the dash 8F but none from air
71 Post contains images DEVILFISH : And the comment was still about Boeing and how they (implicitly) keep their public and customers informed about the 748i as compared with another com
72 EbbUK : *Breaking News* "In a bid to have a launch customer by year end, Boeing is in talks with Southwest Airlines to take the 748i. Sources close to the neg
73 Post contains images TeamAmerica : My wife's friend has a cousin who knows a guy that has a neighbor whose brother works for a company that cleans the windows at Southwest Airlines, an
74 Keesje : So BA is taking a decision between 747-8i and A380 likely before years end. Boeing is saying they probably won´t have a launch 747-8i order this year
75 Shenzhen : Well, I don't yet see any new A380 orders from SIA listed on the Airbus site, yet they anounced an order. How should we take this? No decision was ma
76 Post contains images Stitch : My guess: The Airbus aficionado would see it as an endorsement of the A380 and hope for an order in 2006 to support Airbus' statement (?) that they w
77 Dank : I still don't understand this cw regarding development costs of the 748i. If they don't sell any and the 748i offering doesn't lead to more sales of
78 Post contains images Leskova : Will some politicians call LH? Probably, some local ones from places where Airbus has production facilities... they'll probably be fielded by either
79 Post contains images Jacobin777 : As nothing...
80 Stitch : Very true, which is why I believe Boeing has been "going slow" on the 748I just as they did with the 772LR when post-9/11 downturn soured interest in
81 DEVILFISH : The freighter may be structurally overspecified for the VIP role.
82 Post contains images Thebry : Not a miracle, Z... just bad management.
83 Walter747 : someoe call BA or AF. perfect candidates.
84 2wingtips : When did BA say they were making a decision before year's end? They will likely convert 10 777 purchase rights to firm orders but the 787/350 748I/38
85 Manni : How many of you here who commented on the thread title did actually read the article? I can't take credit for the words "We dont have a launch custom
86 2wingtips : I actually did a bit of research and read all the articles on the subject, instead of trying on your sensationalistic tactic, which was completely ap
87 Manni : You would have noted that the words were from Mr. Mooney and your previous reply would have not been neccesary. Unless there is something else bother
88 DEVILFISH : You're the one linking to Airbus. And as you're free to say what you deem is necessary, I too have a choice to express what I see.
89 Post contains images Jacobin777 : That's what I said too...the evidence is quite clear!
90 Columba : BA, yes very likely. AF not so likely at least as launch customer.
91 Dank : I agree that BA will as soon as they get their finances straight (although, how many is debatable, since I also forsee some 773ERs coming in). I thin
92 Columba : I agree with you but since I am not so sure if they order some 747-8s at a later date I have not ruled out AF completely. Reason for that is that the
93 Post contains links Leelaw : No customers yet for passenger version of Boeing's 747-8 By JAMES WALLACE P-I AEROSPACE REPORTER Lufthansa Airlines, expected to be a pivotal customer
94 Justloveplanes : The 748I's greatest competitor, and the one keeping it in the dark is....... The 773ER. It is by all accounts an outstanding aircraft. AF, EK and EVA
95 Dank : The 380s that LH has on order suggest otherwise. But I will admit that I still don't get the possible addition of the 748i to the fleet. Considering
96 Columba : What a bummer I was really looking forward for at least a part of the order. So I guess they will announce the A340-300 and 747-400 replacement toget
97 ZKNBX : NZ have ditched plans to buy the B748i and are looking anew at the B77W and more B787s.
98 UAEflyer : So what happened to the 747-8i(1 only) ordered few months ago? for whom it was ordered? Who ever was he(private or public) he is considered as a custo
99 Stitch : Could be one of two things: Four single-frame VIP owners are not glamorous enough to give the "launch customer" title to. Four single-frame VIP owner
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