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Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33052 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Ecuadorian airline Icaro is yet another Latin American airline announcing plans to fly to South Florida. The airline announced yesterday in Ecuador that, following Ecuador's recent upgrade to Category I, they plan to begin non-stop flights between Manta, Ecuador and Miami or Fort Lauderdale using a 767-200ER. Only time will tell if this plan takes off, among the Latin airlines talking about launching South Florida service in the past year, we've seen mixed results:

AeroCondor - Plans to begin Miami-Lima next spring. Applied for and received Peruvian government permission, but has yet to apply for US government permission.

Aerogal - Announced plans to fly to MIA by the end of 2006 from Ecuador. Nothing since.

AeroRepublica - Announced Miami-Baranquilla more than three years ago. Has never started it.

AeroSur - Actually began Miami-Santa Cruz flights this summer, but that was three years after they announced them.

Aserca - Announced plans for MIA last spring. Nothing has happened.

Avior - Announced plans for MIA this fall. The difference? When they announced the flights, you could actually book them. Begins 16 December, from Barcelona, Venezuela.

Conviasa - Announced plans for MIA last spring. Nothing has happened.

LAN Argentina - Finally began flying to Miami this past August after their first attempt was stopped due to plane registration issues.

Santa Barbara - talk actually turned into reality with 2x daily MIA-CCS service, but it took four years to happen.

Tame - Has said they plan to fly Miami in 2007 following Ecuador going Category 1, but nothing else has happened.

Tikal Jets - Planned Miami-Guatemala City service never took off following the ceasing of operations this past August.


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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9835 times:

That's a pretty big airplane to start a route like that, some flavor of 737 would seem more practical. Do they have a USAF contract perhaps?


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9834 times:

I might think Icaro may have good passenger/freight contracts if they want to fly B767-200.


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9822 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Tame - Has said they plan to fly Miami in 2007 following Ecuador going Category 1, but nothing else has happened.

Didn't Tame used to fly to MIA using 757 equipment? I thought they were to continue flying to MIA using 727's via Panama City, Panama.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9816 times:
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Panama seems to be the favorite stop, Lloyd Aero Boliviano's 727-200 stop there since the 767 were repossed.

User currently offlineChupame From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Tame never flew to Miami. Yes, after Ecuador was upgraded to Category 1 many airlines have expressed interest in flying to the US. Miami (including FLL) and New York are of course their top priority. But hopefully someone will begin UIO-GYE-LAX again, which was lost soon after Ecuador was downgraded to Category 2 in the past.

Flights from Manta might be profitable since there is a US army base there. But interest to begin international commercial flights from there have been expressed in the past with no results...


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

And they'd want to fly to Manta because.....?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33052 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
And they'd want to fly to Manta because.....?

Huge cargo hub.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9749 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
And they'd want to fly to Manta because.....?

From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around. From what I am told, the city has improved significantly. Without going into much research, they could also fly fresh fish into Miami everyday, since Manta is also a fishing port. (Was it that Millon Air 707 that crashed in Manta not full of fish?).


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9749 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
Didn't Tame used to fly to MIA using 757 equipment? I thought they were to continue flying to MIA using 727's via Panama City, Panama.

TAME has two A-320s as well, and even their new Embraers could reach Miami if necessairy.
Unlike Bolivia, Quito is less then 3000 km from Miami (don't want to bother to look up the exact distance) so a perfect medium range destination.
So no reason for them to use the 727s with intermediate stop IF they come to Miami.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

Aerosur's interest in opering a Miami route dates from the 1990's. But only now with problems at LAB have they been able to begin the service or seize the opportunity.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroRepublica - Announced Miami-Baranquilla more than three years ago. Has never started it.

Did they actually announce that? Could have been that the airline was just looking into serving Miami. They do have the rights, but from what the Colombian a.netters say on here, it seems the airline has shelved those plans and Miami service is now unlikely to happen, especially now that the airline is under control of Copa.

Another "new" MIA airline was going to be Russian's Domodedovo. Nothing on their website that hints of their April (and later October) beginning of a Miami route.

Up to the late 90's, there were two Ecuadorian airlines flying to Miami: Saeta and Ecuatoriana. Therefore Icaro would bring at least a 757-sized airplane, or larger. Is Lan-Ecuador still around?

It'd be wonderful to see aircraft from real Ecuadorian and Peruvian airlines again at Miami, instead of LAN-Peru/Ecuador or whatever.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Huge cargo hub.

They're planning passenger or cargo flights?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city

I can't imagine that is likely to fill a 767-200...or even a 737-200. MEC's only passenger connection to the outside world is currently 5 or so daily flights to UIO.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9714 times:

Just a little additional info I found.

"The practice of water sports is very significant in Manta. Water sports include Surf (Manta was the host for the 2004 Bodyboarding World Cup), Scuba diving, Water-ski, Kiteboarding and Kitesurfing. Manta has some of South America's most breathtaking beaches, Manta was selected as the site of the sixth South American Windsurfing Championship. It is renowned for its diving and sport fishing."

I dont know how much there is really external tourism, but I bet that Icaro could fill the cargo bay of a 767 with fish every day.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9670 times:

Quoting Chupame (Reply 5):
Tame never flew to Miami. Yes, after Ecuador was upgraded to Category 1 many airlines have expressed interest in flying to the US. Miami (including FLL) and New York are of course their top priority. But hopefully someone will begin UIO-GYE-LAX again, which was lost soon after Ecuador was downgraded to Category 2 in the past.

Ecuatoriana used to fly this route. I never flew this route with them but near the end when they were having lots of trouble they would regularly have Tame fly their domestic flights for them, could they have done the same on MIA?

Obviously the security situation at UIO has improved considerably since I last visited for Ecuador to be upgraded to Cat I. It used to be quite possible to board domestic flights there without going through a security screening.

Quoting Chupame (Reply 5):
Flights from Manta might be profitable since there is a US army base there

Air Force actually.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33052 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Huge cargo hub.

They're planning passenger or cargo flights?

Passenger, but as many other routes has prooven (i.e. AA's DFW-SCL), cargo can drive passenger flights too.



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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9607 times:

Does anyone knows what's happned with their F28s? I heard they are no longer using F28s... what are they using instead? more classic 737s?

Any one with more reliable sources to confirm or share more information on Icaro?



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User currently offlineSegmentQueen From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroCondor - Plans to begin Miami-Lima next spring. Applied for and received Peruvian government permission, but has yet to apply for US government permission.

I wish they would hurry, I'm having a heck of a time finding decent prices MIA-LIM-MIA in Jan07 for an event with my fiance's family!

Anyone need a courrier?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9542 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Passenger, but as many other routes has prooven (i.e. AA's DFW-SCL), cargo can drive passenger flights too.

Right but there's actually pax demand between the US and SCL via DFW's hub, whereas the demand between the US and MEC is either zero or very close to it.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting Atnight (Reply 15):
Does anyone knows what's happned with their F28s? I heard they are no longer using F28s... what are they using instead? more classic 737s?

They took more 737s, but when I was in Ecuador in september the three F-28s were all very active. So it might have been a VERY recent development that they ditched them.
TAME though doesn't use their F-28s much since they got the Embraers, maybe on 1 or 2 flights a day.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5124 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9527 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around. From what I am told, the city has improved significantly. Without going into much research, they could also fly fresh fish into Miami everyday, since Manta is also a fishing port. (Was it that Millon Air 707 that crashed in Manta not full of fish?).

= Beyond the U.S. base, fishing has been a signiciant driver in the economy and I personally know of a very rich guy who is lobbying for this flight. Moreover, Manta has seen a burst of infrastructure development including expansion of the port, and the highway that leads to/from Manta. If you have the money, buy a penthouse in one of the many buildings overlooking the Pacific just south of the port. They are a steal!

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9521 times:

Quoting Chupame (Reply 5):
Tame never flew to Miami

I could have sworn seeing a TAME 727 in MIA about 3 or 4 years ago while pushing back on a CM flight. Also saw a TAME A320 in PTY the last time I went there, anybody know what it was doing?


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9519 times:

If the MEC-MIA/FLL fares are attractive, I wouldn't be surprised some passengers from GYE could fly out of MEC.


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9506 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 18):
They took more 737s, but when I was in Ecuador in september the three F-28s were all very active



I wish the 737s and future aircraft would wear the same "snakes" paintscheme on those F28s. Unique and very good looking!

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
Ecuatoriana used to fly this route. I never flew this route with them but near the end when they were having lots of trouble they would regularly have Tame fly their domestic flights for them, could they have done the same on MIA?



Quoting Luisca (Reply 20):
I could have sworn seeing a TAME 727 in MIA about 3 or 4 years ago while pushing back on a CM flight. Also saw a TAME A320 in PTY the last time I went there, anybody know what it was doing?

Again the only time TAME has been at MIA and FLL have been on VIP flights, and at that almost always on a fuel stop while going to New York.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroCondor - Plans to begin Miami-Lima next spring. Applied for and received Peruvian government permission, but has yet to apply for US government permission.

I'm scared they will go bankrupt some time soon. All Peruvian airlines seem to go down (AeroPeru, Faucett Peru, TANS)

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroRepublica - Announced Miami-Baranquilla more than three years ago. Has never started it.

and they never will

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroSur - Actually began Miami-Santa Cruz flights this summer, but that was three years after they announced them.

Don't they plan to fly also from LPB ?



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9481 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around.

Yeah, did a couple months at Manta-Good times. GAO and USAF contracts will most likely stay with Continental and American.

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25 777jaah : Makes no sense to start the route when CM has such an efficeint hub. It would go against its' owners reason of being. JAAH
26 MAH4546 : On the Russian website, there is a PR announcing Miami. Yes, Aerorepublic announced plans to fly MIA-BAQ in January 2003.
27 2travel2know : Would CM ever consider flying to MEC and CUE in Ecuador, as well as VLN, PMV in Venezuela, BGA in Colombia, AQP, IQT in Per�??
28 Post contains images Birdwatching : I'd be surprised. It's a long drive, this is not like going from EWR to PHL on Interstate 95. Correct. Here are some photos... JFK MIA FLL Soren
29 FLY2LIM : I find the irony in your statement, since all three of the airlines mentioned had planes that went down right before the company went down. I book my
30 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Aerocontinente. Indeed a bad trend, hopefully AeroCondor would eventually be able to start that MIA service. What's sad is that while these countries
31 AndesSMF : You have to clarify it some more. The distances are not too great, but the roads are even worse. For example, you can fly from GYE to UIO in 30 minut
32 Post contains images Airportmanager : MANTA is an option because it is a really good airport and its at sea level. Not much traffic, and not much problems with the airport making an arriv
33 MIAMIx707 : Cool, keep us updated. Do you know when Icaro would be starting service to Miami? If they haven't applied to the US DOT yet.. it would take a while
34 Atnight : Thanks for the information.... It sure will be great to see a BAE RJ70 around UIO, not to mention another DHC8..... I guess they liked the one they g
35 RCS763AV : I don´t know Ecuador, but BGA, IQT and AQP are kinda never gonna happen-ers.....the Venezuelan destinations do make sense. I hope that finally a Per
36 2travel2know : In Ecuador, It seems CUE has been in CM's study room already, BGA would be a tough destination to get given the Colombia - Panamá bilateral, IQT has
37 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = But what really is a Peruvian carrier ? My Peruvian friend was dismayed and sad when I called her out on her misplaced nationalism with WAYRA PERU.
38 Post contains images RCS763AV : It´s not an internatinal brand, is it? The name is actually not even in spanish, but in quechua, the inca language. Translated to english, it means
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