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Confirmed A380 To JNB  
User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5521 times:

Finally, can't wait !

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...10_31_a380_tech_route_proving.html

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5483 times:

That is cool. But which airline will eventually fly the A380 into JNB? EK perhaps? I can only think of BA and SA as likely future A380 operators making sense to JNB. They at least carry the big loads on the LHR route.

User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5458 times:

I would say as a guess LH, VS and EK. I have heard three airlines for sure but no one is saying who.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5437 times:

Quoting A390 (Reply 2):
I would say as a guess LH, VS and EK.

Don't be breathlessly waiting on VS, they recently deferred their deliveries of A380s until 2013.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5425 times:

SA is going to order some (lease first), possibly........

User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
SA is going to order some (lease first), possibly........

I would not be surprised. Again, the A380 would make sense on the LHR route but also, I can imagine SA's current CEO wanting the whalejet, for several reasons... It would look good though, in SA colors; imagine that tail.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

I can see LH, VS in 2013, BA 380 LHR-JNB route, if they order the Super Jumbo (wich I hope, needless to say)

Micke//  wave 



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8373 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

BA will order an Airbus widebody at about the same time UA/AA/CO will, and on the same day that hell freezes over.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

@ Airbazar

Are you sure about that statement, you might have to eat it up. Foot in mouth.

Micke//  laughing 



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
SA is going to order some (lease first), possibly........

Unfortunately, all that I've heard so far points toward that not happening for the time being...



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineSoundtrack From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

LOL airbazar


when's the next ice age?


User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Here is some more info

31st October 2006
A380 BEGINS TECHNICAL ROUTE PROVING IN FINAL PHASE OF CERTIFICATION PROCESS
The world’s largest commercial airliner, the 555 seat Airbus A380, will start its technical route proving exercise on 13th November 2006 to carry out function and reliability tests at key airports around the world. This exercise is the last of the trials required for Type Certification, which is expected in mid December. For the trial, the aircraft has to make over 150 flight hours on a continuous typical airline schedule, performing in its normal operational environment. The aircraft will be operated by Airbus flight crews with the participation of Airworthiness Authority pilots from both EASA and FAA.

The aircraft used for the trial is A380 MSN002 and is powered by four Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines. Starting from Toulouse, France, it will be visiting ten different airports in four trips. They include Singapore and Seoul during the first trip (14th and 15th November), then Hong Kong and Narita on 18th and 19th November. The third trip brings the aircraft to Guangzhou (22nd November), and Beijing and Shanghai (23rd November).

The fourth and final trip will take the A380 around the globe, via both poles. It will depart Toulouse to reach Johannesburg on 26th November, and then fly over the South Pole en-route to Sydney where it will arrive on 28th November. From Sydney, it will fly across the Pacific to Vancouver (29th November) prior to returning to Toulouse via the North Pole.

During this technical route proving exercise, the A380 will have to demonstrate that it can be turned around as per normal airline operations. Tests will cover, amongst other things, checks on standard aircraft maintenance and behaviour, as well as typical airport operations and compatibility. These will include monitoring functions such as bridge docking, cleaning and catering, refuelling and boarding procedures.

Five development A380s have now flown. Four aircraft, one of which is powered by the Engine Alliance GP7200 engine, are now actively involved in the intensive flight test programme, which has already reached over 730 flights and 2,300 flight hours. The fifth aircraft is undergoing cabin installation in Hamburg. Firm orders and commitments for the A380 currently stand at 176 aircraft for 16 customers.

Airbus is an EADS company.


User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Would anyone have any idea of an ETA in JNB?

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):
BA will order an Airbus widebody at about the same time UA/AA/CO will, and on the same day that hell freezes over.

AA has at least ordered an Airbus widebody before but I doubt that since the crash of AA 587 they will order any new ones in the near future.
UA might be interested in the A350 as a 777 replacement it is the most likely of the three airlines mentioned above to consider an Airbus widebody.
Co has already ordered the 787.
Regarding BA Mr.Walsh recently made quite positive comments about the A380 so I would not rule it out completely.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineSAA346 From South Africa, joined Mar 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting A390 (Reply 12):

One 'vaguely' informed source indicated between 08h00 and 10h00, which does make sense. Misses the morning rush, gives the 380 a run at 'normal' JNB conditions (early morning conditions).

Now seriously, how to find out? The runway selection is easy since I believe 21R isn't rated for the 380 (well not until they chew up a few houses in a neighbouring suburb) - so we clog up the N12 from Jet Park to Atlas or just close the R21 ?  Smile

(Any bright ideas can pm me @ SAA346@vip.airliners.net )


User currently offlineAnax From Greece, joined Sep 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):

 checkmark 

makes me wonder why they still haven't. SAA is booming and they need the capacity of the big bird



god is a spotter!!!
User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4151 times:

I think SAA should start to make a profit first before they think of purchasing some aircraft.
Would anyone have any ideas on a good spotting place?


User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3966 times:

I heard from a source yesterday that landing in JNB will be at 08h00 local time and using the main runway 03L/21R. Does anyone else have more information?

User currently offlineSAA346 From South Africa, joined Mar 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 3731 times:

Yeah - I'm hearing the same ETA but not on 03L/21R which is supposedly (?) too short for it.

User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Perhaps there are taxiways restrictions?
Info I have on the runways is the following:
03L/21R 4418m in length
03R/21L 3400m in length
Both sufficient for landings


User currently offlineSAA346 From South Africa, joined Mar 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

@ 390

My source was dubious so what you say makes more sense, but I know ACSA are making sounds about buying out property on the east side to expand the runway (?) soo .... it would be great if it was on 21R since it's easier to get around the spotting areas  Smile but to be honest, any northerly approach is great, southerly is a bugger to get between the runways !


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Quoting A390 (Reply 19):
Info I have on the runways is the following:
03L/21R 4418m in length
03R/21L 3400m in length
Both sufficient for landings

Your lengths are correct - and the width of both 03L/21R & 03R/21L is 60m.

Quoting SAA346 (Reply 18):
Yeah - I'm hearing the same ETA but not on 03L/21R which is supposedly (?) too short for it.

Well 03L is the longer of the two runways!? Who knows why - here in Abu Dhabi we have 4100m and it was more than adequate. We had both the EA and RR powered version at Al Ain too, and 01/19 is much the same length as Abu Dhabi 13/31.


In any event - I will miss it - as I arrive in JNB on the 26th at around 10am...



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3473 times:
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Okay this is the latest info I have:

The 380 will arrive on Sunday morning between 08:00 and 09:00. She will be on the ground for a couple of hours then will do flight testing using 03R from about 11:00. High Flyerz or the Crew Room anyone?

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 21):
here in Abu Dhabi we have 4100m and it was more than adequate

Yes but Abu Dhabi isn't at 5,500ft AMSL.

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 21):
I arrive in JNB on the 26th at around 10am

see above, just get through baggage claim fast!

Quoting SAA346 (Reply 20):
ACSA are making sounds about buying out property on the east side to expand the runway

I think my old house will be bulldozed then, check this photo:



That is 03R/21L in the bottom left corner.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 22):
Yes but Abu Dhabi isn't at 5,500ft AMSL.

Yep. Fully aware of that!  Wink  Smile That's why we were just used for the hot-weather test campaigns for both RR & EA versions...

I suppose 03R will be more beneficial from an ATC point of view. If you had to use 03L for the t&g's or MAP's, then it would restrict the departures somewhat. By using 03R, and an early right turn, I suppose they could get around the interim spacing requirements (we had to use the interim 15nm, but I do not know what they will do now).

The top of the Denel apartment block should give some good photo angles too, depending on the sun. Trouble is getting up there, as security would probably have increased since the 'old days' - I lived there for quite a while, and spent many a day on top with bino's. Had no money for a camera or scanner in those days Sad

I don't know what sort of weights the A380 will be operating with - hence no guess of what sort of take off run will be used. I suspect that the East Rand Mall lot area will give you nice approach shots... Or you can cross the freeway and get around the base of the elevated threshold - I did that a few years ago... This is the result...


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Photo © Bryan T Clarke



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User currently offlineA390 From South Africa, joined Sep 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

The aircraft landed this morning just after 08h00 local time (0600UTC) on 03R.
What a beauty! I could not believe the short landing roll, one third of the runway. Pics to follow once I've dowloaded them.


25 Swissgabe : What time does the plane depart? I only will be in JNB by tomorrow morning and of course would love to see the plane at JNB!? Above it says that the p
26 Andz : It will be at JNB overnight and departs for SYD tomorrow sometime, I don't have any more accurate information.
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