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Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s  
User currently offlineTolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16457 times:

Austrian to cut 700-1000 jobs and get rid of A330s


Die Presse

According to the Austrian daily - Die Presse, OS is to "cut 700-1000 more jobs and its A330 fleet. Cutting back on less profitable routes such as VIE-PVG. The AUA group employs 8600 and if the plan is carried out (including the 2 A340s already on their way to LX) a total loss of every 6th work place will occur. After the cut back of the Austrailia route this further saving course is to be announced at an EGM tomorrow."


Tough times for Austrian

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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16398 times:

So that leaves 3 777's and 5 767's for their long haul fleet?

User currently onlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16345 times:
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Why get rid of the A332s? I thought they were the right size for many AUA routes...


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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16348 times:

Do they own their A330s, or are they leased?


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16354 times:

That is a shame, I have flown on their 330s and liked them a lot. How come they are let go, instead of the 767s?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30886 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16247 times:
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I can only think they might not be able to fill the larger A332? Or don't need it's range and the 767 comes out ahead in CASM because of it?

User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16249 times:

I'm not yet very good in German, but were the 350 job losses due to the Australian routes retreat and the sale of the two A340s (first paragraph) or only because of the Australian routes (fifth paragraph)?

OS shares have lost nearly 75% of their value compared to what they were in 1999, who is going to help the airline for its capital increase (400 million) ?

[Edited 2006-11-01 21:59:58]

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16197 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
How come they are let go, instead of the 767s?

Maybe the 767's are owned and paid for, while the A332's are leased.

Probably cheaper to operate owned aircraft and fully paid for than expensive leased A330's

Just my opinion.

Quiet shocking if you ask me. Sad to see them leave the OS fleet.

Drew



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User currently offlineUndaMaris From Austria, joined Jul 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16096 times:

I'm wondering how long it will take until OS starts to get rid off their short and medium haul fleet, as there won't be any demand anymore for many, many routes which are currently feeding their long haul destinations ...

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6748 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15991 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):
I can only think they might not be able to fill the larger A332? Or don't need it's range and the 767 comes out ahead in CASM because of it?

The three B777s are capable of serving the longer Asian routes while the B767s can operate to India and to the USA/Canada. The A332's longer range is not required any more on the shrunk network. So they can save costs by eliminating both the A330/A340s. Only one of the A332s is leased, so they will most likely get a good deal by selling the other three frames - we shouldn't forget there's a high demand for used A330s.

It will be interesting to see which narrowbody type will have to go - it makes no sense to operate both B737NG and A32X.


PH



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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15966 times:

Die Presse says that they intend to increase the capital by up to EUR400 million, but according to OS 3Q report, they'll need EUR350 million.
Still from that report, OS intend to launch a strategic cooperation with Air Union from March next year, and they want to reorient the airlines long-haul programme by strengthening its trans-Atlantic routes.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15867 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 9):
Only one of the A332s is leased, so they will most likely get a good deal by selling the other three frames - we shouldn't forget there's a high demand for used A330s.

Time for OK to get them  Wink



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15811 times:

Very sad for OS. That doesn't sound good  Sad

User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15783 times:

On the other hand they will add another 3 F100's in the very near future.
So I guess the regional fleet does ok.



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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15496 times:

In that report, there are more details of the destinations that are to be stopped by the end of May 2007.

http://www.presseportal.de/story.htx?nr=894752&ressort=7


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

First casualty of the booming chinese market....especially for shanghai. sad

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15335 times:

They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15291 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 16):
They'll certainly have no problem finding homes for their A330s. TAP? Swiss?

US Airways????



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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15253 times:

I may be flying OS in late January on the YYZ-VIE route. I know this route is currently operated by the A332. Is there a chance it may be switched to a 767 by that time, or will it still most likely be an A332? The article said that they will start getting rid of them this January. I still don't know what airline I will be flying, but it would be nice to know in the case that I do fly OS...

User currently offlineOS-A330 From Austria, joined Aug 2001, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15186 times:

Help, my username will disappear!  Sad

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 18):
I may be flying OS in late January on the YYZ-VIE route. I know this route is currently operated by the A332. Is there a chance it may be switched to a 767 by that time, or will it still most likely be an A332? The article said that they will start getting rid of them this January. I still don't know what airline I will be flying, but it would be nice to know in the case that I do fly OS...

They are already operating the YYZ-VIE route with a 767-300 and will not change this until late January.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15153 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 17):
US Airways????


Thats what I am hoping for. Would be a welcome addition.



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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15120 times:

Quoting OS-A330 (Reply 19):
They are already operating the YYZ-VIE route with a 767-300 and will not change this until late January.

OK, thanks for the info... I like the 767, so hopefully I will take this route.


User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14955 times:

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Don't even paint the things, get them over here and up and running by May.

I hope they already made the phone call to ILFC from Tempe.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 22):

I certainly would like to see US Airways get those birds...

ONE: They most certainly could use them for European expansion. heck, if they wind up on a PHL-VIE route, you fellow Viennans who adored the Austria A330s would be able to see one or two of them still Big grin

TWO: US is a fellow Star member; why wouldn't they be on the list for possible Austria A330 takers?



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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

What type of aircraft will OS use for the re-introduction of ORD service if the A-330 fleet is no longer?


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25 MCOflyer : Now that US in good finacial shape, I just know they will get them. MCOflyer
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 : OS decided not to fly to Karachi....darn, besides TK, OS would be one of the only other European (actually only other European) carrier to fly to KHI
27 Steeler83 : Does that answer your question, FlyMD?
28 Jfk777 : There is a fourth 777 coming in January 2007. AUA may want teh greater Cargo capacity.
29 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : I do see that these are PW4168 powered! http://www.aua.com/at/eng/Austrian/Fleet/airbus+330/ As much as I'd like to see these go to NW, that won't hap
30 FlyMD : It does! Thanks all.
31 Walter747 : took the words right out of my mouth. Maybe they can open up an Asian route, I also think since they're a star alliance member they might get senoirt
32 MCOflyer : I would imagine so. Hopefully US has made an offer. MCOflyer
33 Aerokiwi : I believe Qantas pulled out after initial attemps in China and are now still losing money on the route after reintroducing it. China is not the be-al
34 Walter747 : yea, hopefully then they could cancel some of their orders from airbus if they wanted to. Does any1 think US put an offer in fro them?
35 Jdwfloyd : Lets not forget that ILFC does business with US west. That may be another in for US.
36 Manny : I am flying the same route in late Nov. Its on a 767.
37 VORFMD : Not long time ago I wrote that the A332/A343 will leave the OS fleet faster than some would think, so now its official. I can see an Order for a 5th T
38 PM : And they already have some PW A330s.
39 Whappeh : Seems the strong feeling here is US Airways. Any actual odds they will end up with this birds in the end?
40 Steeler83 : I for one would like to think so... Think of what US would do with the 4 A332s... PHX-LGW PHL-Eastern European markets PHL-HNL, although I highly dou
41 Jdwfloyd : I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW. The third would go to PHL for PHL-ATH. The fourth would fly BWT PHX-PHL-SJU, replacing the 333 on the
42 Whappeh : The thought of that is amazing. I'm hoping this all works out, though its all conjecture at this point. Though I must ask, do you really see them usin
43 Magyarorszag : In their 2005 annual report, so well before the latest events, you can see that they intended to get a fifth T7 from 2008. Lets wait and see.
44 Macc : according to orf.at they will stop also Phuket, Kathmandu, Colombo and Mauritius. They will cut Lauda Airs longhaul service. Well done OS!
45 Post contains links Magyarorszag : That's true. If you download OS 3Q report, every details are in there! http://www.austrianairlines.co.at/eng/Investor/reports/Quater+reports/ Cheers.
46 Emirates777300 : how many aircraft are they getting rid of?
47 Zvezda : There is no way a B767 can beat an A330 in CASM. On the other hand, a B767 should always beat an A330 in RASM.
48 Post contains images MBJ2000 : That would be great, I could then fly MUC - PHL - HNL with US next year...
49 Cobra27 : You can possibly get rid of A330, it is the most effiicient plane in the world. Last year over 70 were sold
50 StarGoldLHR : could bmi take them. they need a few
51 Danny : Sounds like a drowning man clutching at straw. Will it save or harm him?
52 Post contains images PM : You mean so they can open a few new routes in order to close them again ten months later?
53 MCOflyer : Can anyone at US West tell us if US has put in a bid? I know Parker probaly went crazy about the birds being disposed of. MCOflyer
54 LukasMako : Hi, This is not a surprise and therefore I am only sad for the people who lose their jobs. I mean it is not a surprise that, an Airline which repaints
55 LukasMako : And BTW: This topic is about Austrian and its future and not about US getting some airplanes and etc.
56 ZRH : This is highly unlikely. They have their Star Alliance partners SQ and TG which fly to Australia. They can transfer their passengers in SIN and BKK.
57 PRAirbus : Will OS be the "next Swissair"? I hope not but I guess they are still too big, especially w/partners like LH just around the corner, is LH squeezing O
58 Luvflng : For those interested, here is the detail of which 330's are leased and owned: Austrian Owned OE-LAO OE-LAM OE-LAN ILFC Leased OE-LAP It seems that Aus
59 Xfeed : I believe TAP wants more A332's due to the A350X delays. It's a good opportunity for them.
60 Walter747 : what about US? TP's not the only one who's ordered the A350. They already have orders on they way and have a bigger long haul fleet.
61 Cricket : Why is everybody automatically assuming that US will the birds - I've got a funny feeling an Asian carrier will pay more for the birds. AI is desperat
62 Semobeila : Austrian has refitted the interior of the 777 and are currently doing the same with the 767 - on the A330/340 the new C-class has not been introduced
63 MEACEDAR : Saudi Airlines are looking at some A330s for temporary flights.
64 PlaneHunter : The B777s will mostly operate on the remaining routes to Asia (which have been served by A340s and A330s). There would be many airlines interested in
65 Mk777 : I know OS is going to use the B763ER on their IAD-VIE this winter. I was looking for flights around January and the equipment listed was a 767. I am a
66 Airbazar : I don't see US going for these A330's when that still have outstanding orders from Airbus for brand new A330's. I also don't think it's in their best
67 Whappeh : That may be true, but we're talking years down the line compared to now. They want Athens, a 332 would be amazing for it, as well as other expansion.
68 Steeler83 : I think US should make a stab at it as well. Taking 4 A330s is not that big of an expansion. US is trying to start some more European routes from PHL
69 Fyano773 : M E X I C A N A ! MX, being mostly an Airbus operator, was forced to lease ancient 767s, partly because no A330s were left in the market. With the ad
70 Walter747 : I don't think OZ will give them to MX because of their leaving star alliance.
71 Psimpson : Sorry to hear that OS will be disposing of their A330s as they are nice aircrafts. I do hope OS will repaint more of its B767s into its own livery fro
72 Post contains links Columba : Well this is the statement from AUS about this: http://www.aua.com/ch/deu/austrian/n...1BAD5-DF3A-40D7-8B9A-B89C28E7BFD0} "Because of the delay for t
73 JAL : It looks like another setback for Airbus with Austrian going with Boeing for their long-haul fleet.
74 Dellatorre : I'd like to understand how are they planing to fill their 777s if they couldn't do the same with the 330s?
75 Kelebek : as far as i am well informed, they want to harmonise their fleet. Didn't the mix took its begin with the OS-LaudaAir-merger? in Austria there is a bi
76 LukasMako : Aha, ok. I know that their A340-300 and A330s are still haveing the orginal interiror but I thought they refitted the A340-200 interriors or at least
77 Strato : It is not the question of filling seats, they just can't sell the Boeings, which were leased in by Niki Lauda before the merger of NG and OS. It seem
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