MCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3357 times:
Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule? It was running upwards of 3x daily on certain days this summer, I just find it a little hard to believe that Qingdao is getting more rotations than PEK/PVG even with Qingdao's ginormous Korean population!
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HeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3324 times:
Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 7): Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule?
KE operates only 2 daily ICN-TAO flights. 738 and AB6. However, MU has 4 dailies, CA has 2 dailies, SC has 2 dailies and OZ has 1 daily. Total 11 dailies. Frequency is high but most of the ICN-TAO flights are small aircraft, so PVG/PEK are still dominate the Korea-China market.
ICN-TAO: 11 daily (KE 2, OZ 1, MU 4, CA 2, SC 2), mostly 737/320
ICN-PVG: 14 daily (KE 3, OZ 4, MU 4 (+2 weekly), CZ 2, FM 5 weekly) mostly widebody
ICN-PEK: 10 daily (KE 1 (+1 weekly), OZ 3, CA 3, CZ 2, MU 1) mostly widebody, and KE and OZ trying to increase frequency to 2 daily and 24 weekly.
Jimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 7): Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule? It was running upwards of 3x daily on certain days this summer, I just find it a little hard to believe that Qingdao is getting more rotations than PEK/PVG even with Qingdao's ginormous Korean population!
1 daily 738 and 1 daily AB6 in the winter season. November will see a mix of 332/333/738.
Yes, tons of koreans in the Shandong Province spurred the demand so that's why Shandong had its own open-skies with Korea.
SQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Thanks for the info - it's great to see such massive expansion on KE's part.
Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities? Is the route sustainable if its only operated once weekly? If flying time is 5+hours, the crew couldn't possibly do a turnaround...wouldn't that be too long? If the crew are to layover in KTM, a week seems like an awfully long time. But I am really excited to see that baby blue B777 flying into the Himalayas alongside Thai's B777 and Gulf's A343!
Wow, 2hr difference! This is only once weekly, but mostly travelers will fill up, and they will trip those area at least one week, so it won't be bad. The only problem is cabin crews and pilots, but I don't have any idea, sorry.
direct service would be nice but again, LAX being so close dont think that is in their plans short-term. I remember reading though that Mexico City was one of the cities KE was looking into to send Cargo flights. Lets hope that does happen.
Didnt KE and AM sign a code share agreement already??
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
1) Will the ICN-KTM be a non-stop? Having read MacArthur Job's "Air Disaster, Volume 3" about the Thai A310 and Pakistan A300 crashes near KTM, as well as the current Airways or Airliners magazine (I am not at home, and I can't remember which one!!) article on flying into KTM, it's not an easy approach - in fact, it's one of the most difficult. The terrain is a b****, and climb-out procedures are tricky as well.
Not to doubt Korean Air's pilots or disparage the 777, but can they get a fully loaded 777 off the short runway and fly it non-stop to ICN?
2) In the U.S., there are bilateral talks all the time about flights between China and the United States. PEK and PVG are considered "first tier" airports, subject to extreme restrictions. We all know the debate going on between CO, AA, UA, and NW about the new flight being allowed.
Does Korea have unlimited access to Chinese airports? Or are they restricted in the "tier" system as well? That might explain why they are expanding at other Chinese airports instead of the highly desirable PEK and PVG.
Thanks for your insights!!
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KULatICT From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2570 times:
Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 13): Wow, 2hr difference! This is only once weekly, but mostly travelers will fill up, and they will trip those area at least one week, so it won't be bad. The only problem is cabin crews and pilots, but I don't have any idea, sorry.
perhaps Korean sacrifices a few seats on the way home for the crew to hitch the ride instead of paying them & the hotel for 1 whole week in Kathmandu?
25 777way: Press Release also shows Pattaya with 737, but no mention of Utapao.
26 HeeseokKoo: I agree, that will be the most realistic option. As far as I know, Utapao airport is in Pattaya.. 80% sure.. Mmm yes, since the flight time is only 5
27 Jimyvr: Schedule shows airport code UTP = Utapao, relatively close to Pattaya. That's going to be cargo service with 747-400F
28 Humberside: Thats a waste of time. CSA leave EDI in January
29 Jimyvr: Korean Air and AEROFLOT just codeshare on whatever they can, I guess. AEROFLOT also codeshares to Cork, which was launch in July.
30 SQ_EK_freak: PanAm747: can you (or anyone reallr) please refer me to any online article or journal that talks about the approach into KTM and why its so difficult?
31 PanAm747: Well, if you can back-order the September 2006 issue of Airways magazine, it has the article on the approach into KTM. Pages 40-45. Very well written
32 Avianca: would be a big business on the eastbound, for the westbound they should sign some interline-agreements to get feeder from Latam. can imagine that its
33 RicardoFG: I myself have wondered about that. The YYZ-ICN route is always jammed packed, and with the heavy cargo demand I dont see why the flight isnt 5-6x wee
34 ZK-NBT: I don't think the current bi laterals allow them to operate more than 2-3 weekly flights otherwise i'm sure they would.