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Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Korean Air will continues its expansion in 2006/07 Winter schedule.

New Cities
Kota Kinabalu - 4 weekly 738 (AB6 eff 21FEB)
Kathmandu - 1 weekly 772
Utapao - 3 weekly 738 (AB6 22DEC-27FEB; 333 28FEB-24MAR)
Siem Reap - 4 weekly 738
Phnom Penh - 4 weekly 738
Changsha - 5 weekly 738

Frequency Increase
Phuket - 2xw -> 4xw
Denpasar - now 4x weekly
Singapore - 7xw -> 10xw eff 27NOV
Hong Kong - 14xw -> 17xw from Seoul
Honolulu - 4xw -> 6xw

Code-share
Codeshare flights operated by CSA Czech Airlines went into effect since 01SEP06, covers 17 cities/airports and up to 30 daily flights in Europe, to/from Prague:

Amsterdam
Barcelona
Berlin
Copenhagen
Dusseldorf
Edinburgh
Frankfurt
Hamburg
London Heathrow
London Stansted
Madrid
Manchester
Munich
Oslo
Stockholm
Warsaw
Zurich

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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

come back to BOS KE  Smile


Hussel, Hussel, Husel, Grind, Grind, Grind
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

That is an amazing list. Korean is on a roll. They are like a whole new airline.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 1):
come back to BOS KE

I bet in their next round of US expansion BOS and DTW will join the list.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

772 to Kathmandu? I can't wait to see that!

Being the homer that I am, KE really should increase the frequency on the YYZ route...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):

I bet in their next round of US expansion BOS and DTW will join the list.

They have already said that the next two are most likely Houston and Miami.

http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=6775



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting Watewate (Reply 3):
772 to Kathmandu? I can't wait to see that!

Anyone know how the KTM market is doing in general now that Nepal has all but imploded?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):

That is not the end of the story.

KE increases China routes, too.

ICN-PVG: 10 -> 21 per week since this week.
ICN-PEK: now 8 weekly, but will increase to 14 very soon. (They still finding slots for proper time.)

And about Southeast Asia..

ICN-BKK: was 14/w, now 17/w, will be 21/w since late December.
ICN-MNL: 13 -> 14 per week
ICN-KUL: 5 -> 7 per week


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule? It was running upwards of 3x daily on certain days this summer, I just find it a little hard to believe that Qingdao is getting more rotations than PEK/PVG even with Qingdao's ginormous Korean population!


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User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 7):
Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule?

KE operates only 2 daily ICN-TAO flights. 738 and AB6. However, MU has 4 dailies, CA has 2 dailies, SC has 2 dailies and OZ has 1 daily. Total 11 dailies. Frequency is high but most of the ICN-TAO flights are small aircraft, so PVG/PEK are still dominate the Korea-China market.

ICN-TAO: 11 daily (KE 2, OZ 1, MU 4, CA 2, SC 2), mostly 737/320
ICN-PVG: 14 daily (KE 3, OZ 4, MU 4 (+2 weekly), CZ 2, FM 5 weekly) mostly widebody
ICN-PEK: 10 daily (KE 1 (+1 weekly), OZ 3, CA 3, CZ 2, MU 1) mostly widebody, and KE and OZ trying to increase frequency to 2 daily and 24 weekly.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 7):
Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule? It was running upwards of 3x daily on certain days this summer, I just find it a little hard to believe that Qingdao is getting more rotations than PEK/PVG even with Qingdao's ginormous Korean population!

1 daily 738 and 1 daily AB6 in the winter season. November will see a mix of 332/333/738.

Yes, tons of koreans in the Shandong Province spurred the demand so that's why Shandong had its own open-skies with Korea.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Thanks for the info - it's great to see such massive expansion on KE's part.

Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities? Is the route sustainable if its only operated once weekly? If flying time is 5+hours, the crew couldn't possibly do a turnaround...wouldn't that be too long? If the crew are to layover in KTM, a week seems like an awfully long time. But I am really excited to see that baby blue B777 flying into the Himalayas alongside Thai's B777 and Gulf's A343!

Any insights would be great.



Keep Discovering
User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):

I bet in their next round of US expansion BOS and DTW will join the list.

yey  Smile



Hussel, Hussel, Husel, Grind, Grind, Grind
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

It is very nice to see SkyTeam carriers extending their networks. Now if we could only have KE flights to MEX...


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 10):
Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities?

ICN-KTM 1020-1430 Mon; takes 07:30
KTM-ICN 1600-0055+1 Mon; takes 05:35

Wow, 2hr difference! This is only once weekly, but mostly travelers will fill up, and they will trip those area at least one week, so it won't be bad. The only problem is cabin crews and pilots, but I don't have any idea, sorry.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 10):
Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities? Is the route sustainable if its only operated once weekly?

KE695 ICN1020-1355KTM 1 772 13NOV-20NOV
KE696 KTM1600-0120ICN 1 772 13NOV-20NOV

KE695 ICN1020-1430KTM 1 772 27NOV-
KE696 KTM1600-0055ICN 1 772 27NOV-


User currently offlineMike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):

direct service would be nice but again, LAX being so close dont think that is in their plans short-term. I remember reading though that Mexico City was one of the cities KE was looking into to send Cargo flights. Lets hope that does happen.

Didnt KE and AM sign a code share agreement already??


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 15):

Didnt KE and AM sign a code share agreement already??

Korean Air codeshare on AeroMexico's LA - Guadalajara and Mexico City

AeroMexico on Korean's Los Angeles - Seoul


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

I also recall reading that KE really wants to send cargo planes to MEX. I think it is just a matter of when not if. Now that AM is flying TIJ-NRT, maybe AM and KE should codeshare on KE's NRT-ICN too.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Kathmandu, Kota Kinabalu and U-Tapao are all seasonal charters, they dont continue with summer 2007 schedule accoridng to Amadeus.net.

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3689 times:

Meanwhile, Korean Air will codeshare on Delta's new LAX - SMF/OAK/SJC flight

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):
Kathmandu, Kota Kinabalu and U-Tapao are all seasonal charters, they dont continue with summer 2007 schedule accoridng to Amadeus.net

Those destinations are regular scheduled flights as they all get KE6xx flight number instead of KE8xxx. Korean Air press release said they've been converted from charter to scheduled flight.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3674 times:

OK, so seasonal scheduled?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8500 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3652 times:
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When is KE coming to Miami ? KE Cargo is here, as is China Air cargo, but none of those beautiful Asian passenger 744 have yet been seen at Miami, oh when ?

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3643 times:

Two questions:

1) Will the ICN-KTM be a non-stop? Having read MacArthur Job's "Air Disaster, Volume 3" about the Thai A310 and Pakistan A300 crashes near KTM, as well as the current Airways or Airliners magazine (I am not at home, and I can't remember which one!!) article on flying into KTM, it's not an easy approach - in fact, it's one of the most difficult. The terrain is a b****, and climb-out procedures are tricky as well.

Not to doubt Korean Air's pilots or disparage the 777, but can they get a fully loaded 777 off the short runway and fly it non-stop to ICN?

2) In the U.S., there are bilateral talks all the time about flights between China and the United States. PEK and PVG are considered "first tier" airports, subject to extreme restrictions. We all know the debate going on between CO, AA, UA, and NW about the new flight being allowed.

Does Korea have unlimited access to Chinese airports? Or are they restricted in the "tier" system as well? That might explain why they are expanding at other Chinese airports instead of the highly desirable PEK and PVG.

Thanks for your insights!!



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6075 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 22):
Not to doubt Korean Air's pilots or disparage the 777, but can they get a fully loaded 777 off the short runway

Thai use 777 and Austrian use A340, Aeroflot also operated 777 to KTM.

With the exception of St. Petersburg, the other seasonal destinations Urumqi, Utapao, Vienna, Yangon and Christchurch do not show up at KE website. Kota Kinabalu is there because its code share on MH.

[Edited 2006-11-02 20:06:14]

User currently offlineKULatICT From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 13):
Wow, 2hr difference! This is only once weekly, but mostly travelers will fill up, and they will trip those area at least one week, so it won't be bad. The only problem is cabin crews and pilots, but I don't have any idea, sorry.

perhaps Korean sacrifices a few seats on the way home for the crew to hitch the ride instead of paying them & the hotel for 1 whole week in Kathmandu?


25 777way : Press Release also shows Pattaya with 737, but no mention of Utapao.
26 HeeseokKoo : I agree, that will be the most realistic option. As far as I know, Utapao airport is in Pattaya.. 80% sure.. Mmm yes, since the flight time is only 5
27 Jimyvr : Schedule shows airport code UTP = Utapao, relatively close to Pattaya. That's going to be cargo service with 747-400F
28 Humberside : Thats a waste of time. CSA leave EDI in January
29 Jimyvr : Korean Air and AEROFLOT just codeshare on whatever they can, I guess. AEROFLOT also codeshares to Cork, which was launch in July.
30 SQ_EK_freak : PanAm747: can you (or anyone reallr) please refer me to any online article or journal that talks about the approach into KTM and why its so difficult?
31 PanAm747 : Well, if you can back-order the September 2006 issue of Airways magazine, it has the article on the approach into KTM. Pages 40-45. Very well written
32 Avianca : would be a big business on the eastbound, for the westbound they should sign some interline-agreements to get feeder from Latam. can imagine that its
33 RicardoFG : I myself have wondered about that. The YYZ-ICN route is always jammed packed, and with the heavy cargo demand I dont see why the flight isnt 5-6x wee
34 ZK-NBT : I don't think the current bi laterals allow them to operate more than 2-3 weekly flights otherwise i'm sure they would.
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