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Delta To Partner/invest In TW/AR?  
User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Rumors abound that Delta will invest up to $400 million in AR and an unknown amount in TWA and partner with both carriers in their fledgling alliance with Air France, Aeromexico, and Korean airlines.

Comments anyone.

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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Hello,

Could you please quote a source for the TWA please?
I'm not sure I understant your sentence properly: Delta Air Lines would invest in one of the three other current SkyTeam partners?

When Delta Air Lines and Air France announced their alliance on 22 June 1999, Bloomberg reported Delta didn't deny they would once possibly take a share in AIr France, mentionning Air France could do the opposite as well.

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1987 times:

Source on the rumor for the above cannot be cited due to severe career inhibition if cited...  

Seriously...

Investments/Equity would be from Delta (DL) into Aerolineas Argentinas (AR) and Trans World Airlines (TW) not into Air France (AF).

No word on if Air France would take any equity positions in any of the carriers.

Air India is looking for outside investors. It is quite possible that Air India could also become an equity participant with DL/AF



User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1970 times:

Well, Al, your pretty good about predicting TW actions and seem to have pretty well informed sources (or perhaps you are the source), but your simple knowledge of TW is extensive, so......

I noticed on last Thursdays TWA InfoLine with Mark Abels, that he expressly pointed out to TW employees to be "very careful" about discussing company info in the next few weeks. Perhaps, this is because some sort of large deal is in the works and TW is concerned about SEC action if it is disclosed improperly. So, Al, if it is DL what do you think, downgrade of STL for CVG and probably a big LAX, SJU, and JFK push?

DL would really be a counterbalance to AA at JFK if they had those Bahamian, Dominican, Israeli, Egyptian, Saudi, French, Turks & Caicos, Mexican, and Puerto Rican routes.

TWA @ JFK

Paris, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Riyadh, San Francsico, Los Angelos, Orange County, New Orleans, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, Cancun, St. Louis, Nassau, Santo Domingo, Puerto Plata, Punta Cana, St. Maarten, San Juan, Providenciales, and Boston.

Not too shabby.



User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1953 times:

I doubt we would see any significant downgrade of STL. Frankly, Capital into STL could make the airport a lot more tolerable until W1W midfield terminal is built.

Tough call but there are significant synergies.


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1949 times:

I doubt we would see any significant downgrade of STL. Frankly, Capital into STL could make the airport a lot more tolerable until W1W midfield terminal is built.

Tough call but there are significant synergies.


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1938 times:

I doubt we would see any significant downgrade of STL. Frankly, Capital into STL could make the airport a lot more tolerable until W1W midfield terminal is built.

Tough call but there are significant synergies.


User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1941 times:

I can see the JFK networks complement each other fairly well, LAX to a point, but STL I can't see it provides DL with much it doesn't already have. What am I missing? Is this simply a chess move, for the post UA/US world, investment giving first call on TW (to protect against anybody else getting a toe in New York) should anybody else be interested?

User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 943 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

What dormant route authorities does TW have that haven't been used in the last 5 years. Please don't mention routes discontinued since then as we are pretty well aware of this? I had heard that DL may be looking at AR but some of the 900M+ debt had to paid/forgiven before this could happen. As for AI, I'm pretty sure everybody under the sun will make a bid and the price will go high if the government decides when/if to sell.

J.


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1926 times:


Hello,

For the time being it looks like Delta will not invest in AR, at least for the time being. Iberia has just decided to invest more money into AR until AR can turn a profit which will not be at least for a couple of more years. The Spanish gov. intends to divest itself from Aerolineas Argentinas until it is secure to be on it's own.

If the rumour turns out true about the TW deal, then I'd really be happy. This would insure TWA a better future ahead and bring it into a global alliance. Just in time after the Karabu contract expires.


Best regards,
Apollo Diaz



User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

How close are AR and AA? Does AA have an equity position in Aerolineas? I remember hearing that AR was going to join oneworld, but was passed over only because of the shaky financials. Is this true, are AA and AR close and will AA invest in the struggling carrier?

russ


User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Ar has equity stakes held by the Argentine government, Employees, Iberia, American and the Spanish Government. PArt of the DL deal included the debt being worked down. With the 600 million debt reduction just completed DL is now where they want to be it is easy to see DL stepping into ARs shoes at this time.

As for TWA not sure we will see. TW offers a strong caribbean route network, and strong midwest market that could augment much of Delta's service. I could see an equity investment but, not a merger. (Much like CO/NW deal currently)


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

It is no secret that DL is aching to get into the Argentina market. As of this past February, DL management was confident that they would be flying to Buenos Aires by the end of the year. That was until the Argentine gov't declared that all industrial contracts from the old regime are dead and any new deals must be renegotiated. As for an investment in TW...God help DL, after just announcing a 1 billion plus expansion at JFK, and having the add'l burdon of buying a new fleet in the next few years, why would they want a dead dog like TWA, no offense to TWA professionals, but you guys have a lot of old, tired, burned out employees, much like PA at the time of acquisition. A whole lot of debt and a one hub airline with uniquely different fleets, the 757's are not identical to the DL fleet, and the 717's are not on DL's ordering list. Look instead for an Alaska Airlines deal by DL if the US/UA meger goes through. This will give DL the west coast back and enable it to compete more evenly with UA and perhaps feed itself at LAX for Asian and Mexican routes.

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