Tullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
No TRVLR, if QF do choose the A333, I would guess it is for the long haul not a short term purchase. The A3XX and A330 are hardly interchangeable. QF management are very good fleet planners and if they have decided on the A330 it'll be around for a while. Likewise if they go for the 777 it'll be a long term plan.
Shinseki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2183 times:
Who on earth is this Marc person and where did he get his facts so wrong?
The aircraft to be ordered is an extremely long range 300+ seater. Candidates are the A340-500 and the 777-200LR. The possibility exists that younger brothers 330/340 and 777 (non-LR) could be ordered at a future date, but the priority is the retirement of the 747 Classics and the -Sp's. 333's will not help in this regard. Keep in mind that BA's 763 are coming on board to increase capacity.
Furthermore, an A330-300 would have significant problems carrying a full load of pax and cargo on QF's main trunk routes i.e SYD-BKK, SYD-NRT, SYD-HKG. I don't know why it would even be considered here...
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2072 times:
People think of the A330 as a relatively short legged aircraft, but bear in mind that Aer Lingus's 330-300s (which have a 212t MTOW) fly daily from DUB to ORD, which is a distance of 3,656 miles and can take up to 9 hours in Winter.
The 240t aircraft, if offered to QF, would allow it to cover virtually every route flown by the 763 on its Asian network. Its fuel consumption is not much more than the 767, despite the 20-30% increase in pax and massive increase in freight uplift. It will be a phenomenally good aircraft for QF, as it has been for the airlines that have flown it already.
Incidentally, the airline's first 300 seat requirement for for around 6-8 aircraft for inter-Asian routes; it's cooled off a little on ultra longer haulers, but if they've ordered the 333 and the 3XX, well, I'm sure Airbus could win them over with the 340-5/600/
Ryanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2025 times:
QF have made some pretty friendly noises about the A3xx since SQ took the plunge. It would be classic Airbus to tag on another type on the cheap. Remember new A3xx's would free up 744's to replace the Classics and A333's would free up 763's for domestic routes, which QF seem to want.
Dalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2007 times:
there is no official order placed yet. Let's wait and see. They are only rumors but I think there is a strong chance of an A3XX/A333 order. For those who question Marc he works in the aviation industry and his rumors are very reliable(but not 100%) which would be impossible in this industry. Also, this will be one of the hardest fought campaigns between the 2 manufacturers and Qantas can only benefit from this. My mail is that there will be no announcements until next month and both manufacturers will have some success. To Pandora he obviously knows little about what QF should order- only what he wants them to order. The A3XX is a better aircraft than the 747-X-full stop and QF will get them at a great price(cheaper than a 777-200LR). QF have shelved plans to order ULR aircraft at this stage as they deem them not economically viable. No doubt an order for the 777-200LR/A340-500 will eventuate sometime in the future but not at the moment. I agree with you about the 764- I think it could serve QF well. Marc has actually stated on the orders site today that a potential QF order could be for A333/332 for regional international flights, 764(non-ERX) for domestic sectors and 747-400X and A3XX, with the single aisle replacement decision delayed until around May 2001. If this occurred that would be good for both manufacturers but I think Airbus would be the happier of the 2.
A330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1998 times:
The A3XX is perfect for the ultra-long range operations that Qantas has.
This plane has a lot more potential comfort wise than the B747.XX, off course, it is up to the airlines to make use of the innovations made possible by Airbus in this new giant.
Anyway, With 18 firm orders by Qantas, the 50 planes order mark will be reached and I am sure that more airlines will follow in the near future.
Look at ANA,JAL and MAS as new candidates.
BA: unlikely for now, they are concentrating on the B777 right now (terrific plane)
LH: too large for their operations at the moment
KLM: The company is not in a position for major investments, too large
Fed EX: they will order it without doubt, I think even in the near future (upcoming days...)
XQF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
"Pandora :another dogdy airline orders airbuses"
hehehe .... i assume you're kidding right?
If not....ummmm......does that mean you consider British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, United, Northwest, US Airways, Swissair, Austrian, ANA, Ansett Australia, Iberia, Sabena, SAS, Finnair, Air Canada, JAS, LanChile, British Midland, Emirates, Malaysia Airlines, FedEx, Thai, Aer Lingus etc etc etc etc etc etc etc........to be "dodgy airlines" too??
F4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1879 times:
To all: It seems extraordinary that after all the time and effort which must have gone into determining which URL a/c (777/A340) would best suit its' needs that Qantas would deem the choices "not economically viable". While I'm certain that Qantas has its' own motives for making that determination, it seems at odds with what most of the international carriers have decided. Since the 747X (in some variant) seems to be figured into the Qantas equation, is it possible that they may be looking at the 747X URL variant in place of the 777/A340? It has the 4 engines that some imply QF prefers and is projected to have sufficient range to go wherever QF flies with some margin to spare and falls in between A3XX and A330 in capacity. I suspect the offer would be attractive.
I guess what I'm thinking is that when the picture gets this nebulous(remember, QF originally wanted 300+ seaters above all)surprises seem inevitable.