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Serious Rumours Of Large New Qantas Order  
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

I think I spelt Qantas right?    

I got theis infor from Marcs Orders site and egoup which is one of the most reliable sources out there!

There may be nothing new in the first or third part but the second part is a surprise!

Airbus Industrie is negotiating to sell as many as
18 A3XXs to Qantas. Qantas may place 12 firm
orders, worth about $2.8 billion, with options for an additional planes.

They will also order 6 A333 and 3 744
before Nov.

There is also a 737NG order is expected by May 2001.

The decision will be made Wednesday

Other Rumours

Crossair will order 12 A32Xs
CX has ordered an unknown number of A340 600s. Expect it to only be officially announced in April 2001!

What do you think?

Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
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User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

I've heard (on the newswires) Qantas will order 10 A3XX's. Your information is probably more accurate. What's a shock is the A333!!!

User currently offlineBrommerkoplamp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

What is the URL of "Marcs Orders site and egoup"?
Thanks!


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

URL for Marc's site is http://www.surf.to/orders/

The A333 is a surprise and I'd think it only possible if Airbus have offered a bundle price for A3XX and A333. Otherwise I'd have expected them to go for 772.

I think the A333 would look great in QF colors however. Its long graceful lines tend to make it look good in anyone's livery.



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

I agree that if Qantas buys A330-300s it would be because Airbus "forced" them to to get a good deal on the A3XX. Then I think that once Qantas gets their A3XXs then the A333s will go pretty quickly.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

No TRVLR, if QF do choose the A333, I would guess it is for the long haul not a short term purchase. The A3XX and A330 are hardly interchangeable. QF management are very good fleet planners and if they have decided on the A330 it'll be around for a while. Likewise if they go for the 777 it'll be a long term plan.


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User currently offlineMagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

I am fed up with rumours circulating around, no matter where they
are coming from! I will believe in this QF order when I see it confirmed!

Janos


User currently offlineShinseki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Who on earth is this Marc person and where did he get his facts so wrong?

The aircraft to be ordered is an extremely long range 300+ seater. Candidates are the A340-500 and the 777-200LR. The possibility exists that younger brothers 330/340 and 777 (non-LR) could be ordered at a future date, but the priority is the retirement of the 747 Classics and the -Sp's. 333's will not help in this regard. Keep in mind that BA's 763 are coming on board to increase capacity.

Furthermore, an A330-300 would have significant problems carrying a full load of pax and cargo on QF's main trunk routes i.e SYD-BKK, SYD-NRT, SYD-HKG. I don't know why it would even be considered here...


User currently offlineB777-200LR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

i also agree that Qantas should order the A333 and A3XX . They should order the A320s family to replace the Boeing 737s . Qantas was once an all-Boeing fleet and i think this is going to change .

User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

A330-300s !? what a surprise !
But I read elsewhere that Airbus is offering an extended range A330-300s so it may still be possible, and can replace the 747SPs and also a little bit of 747-200s.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

I think if QF buys the A330-300 they will be primarily used for more regional flights, like for example domestic flights between Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.

I believe that the A333 has the range to fly from Perth to Singapore or Hong Kong. SIN-SYD and HKG-SYD will still be the province of the 747, though.


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

If you talk about capacity, then yes, the B747 is more suited for the SIN-SYD route. Rangewise, SIN-SYD could also be operated by an A333.

Following are the ranges for some specific routes:
SYN-SYD: 3393 nm (6283 km)
PER-NRT: 4239 nm (7851 km)
MEL-HKG: 3966 nm (7345 km)

All these routes can be flown with the 233t MTOW A333, let alone the 240t MTOW A333.

Regards
Gerardo
Impressions@ZRH
Airbus Forum




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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1821 times:

People think of the A330 as a relatively short legged aircraft, but bear in mind that Aer Lingus's 330-300s (which have a 212t MTOW) fly daily from DUB to ORD, which is a distance of 3,656 miles and can take up to 9 hours in Winter.

The 240t aircraft, if offered to QF, would allow it to cover virtually every route flown by the 763 on its Asian network. Its fuel consumption is not much more than the 767, despite the 20-30% increase in pax and massive increase in freight uplift. It will be a phenomenally good aircraft for QF, as it has been for the airlines that have flown it already.

Incidentally, the airline's first 300 seat requirement for for around 6-8 aircraft for inter-Asian routes; it's cooled off a little on ultra longer haulers, but if they've ordered the 333 and the 3XX, well, I'm sure Airbus could win them over with the 340-5/600/


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5310 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Yes as Kaitak said it is for the 240t A330 300! Remember how the A330 300 turned around Aer Lingus Transatlantic Flights!    

More Rumours from the usual place:

Expect a large Fed EX Airbus order in the near future!

Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

QF have made some pretty friendly noises about the A3xx since SQ took the plunge. It would be classic Airbus to tag on another type on the cheap. Remember new A3xx's would free up 744's to replace the Classics and A333's would free up 763's for domestic routes, which QF seem to want.

Interesting times.


User currently offlinePandora From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

another dogdy airline orders airbuses.

User currently offlinePandora From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

20 777-200LR
20 747x
10767-400erx


User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Remember,

there is no official order placed yet. Let's wait and see. They are only rumors but I think there is a strong chance of an A3XX/A333 order. For those who question Marc he works in the aviation industry and his rumors are very reliable(but not 100%) which would be impossible in this industry. Also, this will be one of the hardest fought campaigns between the 2 manufacturers and Qantas can only benefit from this. My mail is that there will be no announcements until next month and both manufacturers will have some success. To Pandora he obviously knows little about what QF should order- only what he wants them to order. The A3XX is a better aircraft than the 747-X-full stop and QF will get them at a great price(cheaper than a 777-200LR). QF have shelved plans to order ULR aircraft at this stage as they deem them not economically viable. No doubt an order for the 777-200LR/A340-500 will eventuate sometime in the future but not at the moment. I agree with you about the 764- I think it could serve QF well. Marc has actually stated on the orders site today that a potential QF order could be for A333/332 for regional international flights, 764(non-ERX) for domestic sectors and 747-400X and A3XX, with the single aisle replacement decision delayed until around May 2001. If this occurred that would be good for both manufacturers but I think Airbus would be the happier of the 2.

Time will tell.

Dale.


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

The A3XX is perfect for the ultra-long range operations that Qantas has.
This plane has a lot more potential comfort wise than the B747.XX, off course, it is up to the airlines to make use of the innovations made possible by Airbus in this new giant.
Anyway, With 18 firm orders by Qantas, the 50 planes order mark will be reached and I am sure that more airlines will follow in the near future.
Look at ANA,JAL and MAS as new candidates.
BA: unlikely for now, they are concentrating on the B777 right now (terrific plane)
LH: too large for their operations at the moment
KLM: The company is not in a position for major investments, too large
Fed EX: they will order it without doubt, I think even in the near future (upcoming days...)



Shiek!
User currently offlineXQF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

"Pandora :another dogdy airline orders airbuses"

  hehehe .... i assume you're kidding right?  

If not....ummmm......does that mean you consider British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, United, Northwest, US Airways, Swissair, Austrian, ANA, Ansett Australia, Iberia, Sabena, SAS, Finnair, Air Canada, JAS, LanChile, British Midland, Emirates, Malaysia Airlines, FedEx, Thai, Aer Lingus etc etc etc etc etc etc etc........to be "dodgy airlines" too??

 

hahahaaha!!

OK then!!!!  

cheers! 


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Hey Pandora,

Nice suggestions, but I would add anything:

222 Canadair Jets
444 B717s
666 MD-11Fs

Would fit well, right?  


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

To all: It seems extraordinary that after all the time and effort which must have gone into determining which URL a/c (777/A340) would best suit its' needs that Qantas would deem the choices "not economically viable". While I'm certain that Qantas has its' own motives for making that determination, it seems at odds with what most of the international carriers have decided. Since the 747X (in some variant) seems to be figured into the Qantas equation, is it possible that they may be looking at the 747X URL variant in place of the 777/A340? It has the 4 engines that some imply QF prefers and is projected to have sufficient range to go wherever QF flies with some margin to spare and falls in between A3XX and A330 in capacity. I suspect the offer would be attractive.

I guess what I'm thinking is that when the picture gets this nebulous(remember, QF originally wanted 300+ seaters above all)surprises seem inevitable.

Any thoughts?

F4N


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

dodgy airlines ehh?

Air France.........check
Northwest ........check
Iberia.............check
Air Canada......check
Thai...............check
Aer Lingus.......check
United ............uhhh yuck

On a less confrontational front, what is URL?


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

TWA.................. check!


Shiek!
User currently offlineAduum From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

So can anyone simplify what the meeting
on the 18th/october produced?

Any deffinates or just rumours?

Thanks
aduum
The Australian Person


25 F4N : Aduum: Apparently no decisions were made. It appears that any announcements have been deferred till the shareholders' meeting in November. TWAneedsNOh
26 Post contains images B757300 : Looks like Airbus is selling its aircraft under cost again. I would bet that 2-4 billion of the 12 billion development cost is to cover the selling of
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