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If US Were To Get The OS 332s?  
User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

I felt a little bad for hijacking Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s so I started this new thread.

So what if US were to get all four of the 332s that OS is returning to ILFC and were able to have them online for next summer? What cities or routes would they be on? Would they get a new interior? Would this affect the current 332 order with Airbus?

This was my idea from the last thread about their possible usage.

I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.
The third would go to PHL for PHL-ATH.
The fourth would fly BTW PHX-PHL-SJU, replacing the 333 on the PHL-SJU route. This 332 would act as the spare for the system. Going PHL to SJU in the morning. Coming back to PHL in the early afternoon. It would be in PHL long enough to ensure it would not be needed and then head to PHX to back up their two European flights. Then coming back to PHL as a red eye.

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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

Like what I said in the other thread... Do you really think a 332 between PHX-PHL would be a rational use of an airplane on the route? That seems to be massive overkill, even for the connection to SJU. If anything, wouldn't they want to free up a 767 and maybe use a 767 on the PHX-PHL-SJU route, and use the 332 for a better route? Maybe somehow work it out so an airport like MUC could get long overdue year round 330 service.


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

The idea is that you need a spare A/C in the system due to how costly it is to cancel a international flight. Having a 332 going between the major international hubs daily would ensure that there would be a spare set up if it were needed. One other advantage to this would be to swap A/C from the west system to the east for scheduled maintenance reasons.

I can remember a few times that the PIT-FRA, LGW or CDG flight would be delayed for almost five hours while the spare A/C (be it a 762 or 333) was ferried in to replace it. The reason it always took so long was that by the time they realized they needed a new A/C and got it in it took over 3 hours, normally. Just think if you were in PHX with a broken bird and had to wait for the replacement A/C to fly from PHL. The delays could go up to 8-10 hours.

Having a extra A/C like the 332 floating about the system that could do any route that US flies would be a good thing.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

I'm still surprised at the idea of an A330 working between PHL-PHX. There is simply no way that flight would ever get near to filling up. I understand your reasons for it, but I find it hard to believe they'll fly around an aircraft that will be at best, 3/4ths full for two flights a day. Though this is good news for those of us that try to nonrev in and out of PHX on the East system if it does come into realization.


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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 3):
I'm still surprised at the idea of an A330 working between PHL-PHX. There is simply no way that flight would ever get near to filling up.

The difference in seats between the A321s that are currently running between PHL and PHX and the 332 is not that much. There are 24C and 235Y on OS 332, on the 321s US flies there are 26F and 143Y. So really there is only a gain of 90 seats or so. With the way flights are out of PHL to PHX those seats would help out alot, especially on bad weather days when there are lots of misconnects.

The other question is what would the 333 that is currently the backup A/C do?


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

I hope that SK will pick up those birds and put them on CPH-SFO, ARN-BKK, CPH-HKG and other interesting routes.


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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Interesting. US could use these birds. PW engines just like US has.

PHL-ATH apparently needs it, as well as 1 more big PHL flight. So that's 2.

To run PHX-FRA, you need 2 planes, 1 for the flight and 1 for backup. They could put the backup on Hawaii duty and cancel that, should a 332 break.

I doubt they will do it, but you never know.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 6):
Interesting. US could use these birds. PW engines just like US has.

PHL-ATH apparently needs it, as well as 1 more big PHL flight. So that's 2.

To run PHX-FRA, you need 2 planes, 1 for the flight and 1 for backup. They could put the backup on Hawaii duty and cancel that, should a 332 break.

I doubt they will do it, but you never know.

Why not, use the 332 on the sched European services, and float around a 767? They already use the 767 between PHL and CLT, PHL and PHX wouldn't be too far fetched. They way if an airplane breaks down the floating 767 picks up the slack, a downgrade but how often do we expect the airplanes to break down?



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User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7102 times:

Running 3 A330's between HNL-PHX-PHL and FRA-PHX if timed correctly effectively keeps a spare between the US West and US East system at all times.

As far as not filling the aircraft up between PHX-PHL - the goal of the capacity is not an increase in seats between the two - it's a means to rotating an aircraft.

I doubt they would do this though - PHX-FRA, yes, but they'll take the risk on the spare aircraft. My bet is PHX-HNL would get 767 and something else would get A330 upgrade.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.

US Airways just recently said they have no plans to offer PHX-Europe flights anytime soon.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):
US Airways just recently said they have no plans to offer PHX-Europe flights anytime soon.

That was before four 332s unexpectedly came on the market. The reason the had no plans to run it was because the wouldn't have anything to run it on until 2009.


User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6965 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
Why not, use the 332 on the sched European services, and float around a 767? They already use the 767 between PHL and CLT, PHL and PHX wouldn't be too far fetched. They way if an airplane breaks down the floating 767 picks up the slack, a downgrade but how often do we expect the airplanes to break down?

The problem with using a 762 is that it would not be able to cover the PHX-Europe flights.


User currently offlineKingGeo3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Everyone knows that if US were to get the OS 332s it would mean the return of all European flights to PIT!  Smile PIT-FRA, PIT-LGW, PIT-CDG . . .

Ah - to dream!

-KG3



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
The third would go to PHL for PHL-ATH.

actually they are running the 333 between PHL-ATH

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 1):
Do you really think a 332 between PHX-PHL would be a rational use of an airplane on the route?

No, thats why they have 762's.

Has nobody thought they could open up an Asian route to KIX or somewhere else. Maybe NRT if they could get a slot.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6807 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
actually they are running the 333 between PHL-ATH

The PHL-ATH flight is scheduled to be on a 762. The 333 idea was part of the first announcement on Airliners, but it turned out to be incorrect. PHL-ATH is a stretch for US's 762s, and even for the 333. The flight will end up being like PHL-FCO, heavily weight restricted and almost all ways leaving FCO with empty seats in oder to take all the cargo.
Putting a 332 on this route would ensure that all the seats would be filled and all the cargo would go also.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
No, thats why they have 762's.

As I stated earlier the 762 would not be a good spare because it can not do PHX-Europe. The entire purpose of running a heavy to PHX is to backup any European routes the would decide to open

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
Has nobody thought they could open up an Asian route to KIX or somewhere else. Maybe NRT if they could get a slot.

US will not go to Asia until they take delivery of the 350 of 787, or at least until they get the 10 332s on order.


User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 14):
US will not go to Asia until they take delivery of the 350 of 787, or at least until they get the 10 332s on order.

but if they get these 332's they could operate 1 flight.



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 2):
Just think if you were in PHX with a broken bird and had to wait for the replacement A/C to fly from PHL. The delays could go up to 8-10 hours.

But if you were in PHX with a u/s aircraft, it would be better not to have an A330 in the system. There will surely be A319/A320's sat around as backup.

What happens if the A330 goes u/s in PHX and another one goes u/s in PHL, you then have no backup aircraft in PHL to operate the international flight, which with EU rules on compensation for xxld or delayed flights will add up to a lot more than leaving an A330 on the ground all day.


User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

I'm not sure if a route from PHX to Europe would be profitable or not. I think European routes from LAS would be more profitable.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 2):
The idea is that you need a spare A/C in the system due to how costly it is to cancel a international flight.

OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

Quoting KingGeo3 (Reply 12):
Everyone knows that if US were to get the OS 332s it would mean the return of all European flights to PIT! PIT-FRA, PIT-LGW, PIT-CDG . . .

Ah - to dream!

Care if I share your dream? Oh, wait, I already do :-P

I would love to see any PIT-Euro service restored, particularly the PIT-FRA flight. Instead of using an A332 on this, I am sure US would fly the 767 as it did before.

PIT-LGW would also suffice, but US would likely put an ETOPS 757 on this one. Both would be welcome to the region, but FRA would be the more useful routing, given that most of the local businesses have European offices in Germany.



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 18):
OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.

OMG- Then why do the do it now with the 333 that does PHL-SJU every day? US operates eight 333 flights a day, leaving one for a spare and due to regular maintenance. I know of numerous times over the years that the spare 333 was needed and used.


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
This was my idea from the last thread about their possible usage.
I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.

Parker just stated during the Earnings Conference Call, that PHX-Europe would not happen until they acquired a 350 or 787. Also, stated in response to a direct ? was that there are no plans to fly into South America from CLT with the 332, because CLT could not support the required traffic. However, there was no indication that they would not attempt S.A. from another city.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 14):
The PHL-ATH flight is scheduled to be on a 762. The 333 idea was part of the first announcement on Airliners, but it turned out to be incorrect.

Actually, if you listened to the Earnings Call, Parker stated that a 757 and 333 would be used for BRU, ZRH and ATH - it was not something invented on airliners.net.. It would be highly improbable that US would use the 330 to Zurich or Brussels because of probable overcapacity. Where are you getting information that Athens will be a 767?


User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 21):
Where are you getting information that Athens will be a 767?

After the initial announcement by A330323X it was announced that the ATH route would be on a 762.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):

actually they are running the 333 between PHL-ATH

The A333 is far from ideal for that route.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 18):
OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.

Meh, one is almost always out for something or other. Or do what NW does, keep some really old thing sitting around just in case....lol.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 22):
After the initial announcement by A330323X it was announced that the ATH route would be on a 762.

A 762 or A332 makes far more sense anyhow.



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 23):
A 762 or A332 makes far more sense anyhow.

Well they can't fly the 332 next year. Why does the 762 make far more sense than the 333?


25 Vega : A300.. didn't "announce" anything - he quoted the conference call. If you don't mind my asking, what is your reference for the 762 announcement which
26 Post contains links Jdwfloyd : When I said "announced" I said have said "broke the news on airliners" DOT APP Scroll down to #4
27 Vega : I'm familiar with the filing. That filing was made 2 days BEFORE Parker made the statement during the Conference Call.
28 Jdwfloyd : Perhaps Parker misspoke, I don't know. For right now I am going with what was filed with the DOT. We will have to wait and see when the official anno
29 Vega : The point is not if Parker misspoke, it's that no announcement was issued as you implied after the fact refuting his statement ("After the initial an
30 PSA727 : If US were to pick up these A/C, it would be best to use them on routes that are currently the longest and most weight restricted. So that would mean
31 FCYTravis : They are definitely not going to waste an A332 on PHL-DUB. That route will be downgraded to an ETOPS 752 effective next summer, with an offseason PHL
32 A330323X : And in the most recent statement, Ed Bular has told the pilots that it'll be a 333. For what it's worth.
33 Charliejag1 : I think we should pick up a few of these A332s in order to sate the international growth until we get 350s (hopefully 787s instead). I do, however, th
34 Supa7E7 : If you're going to do PHX-Europe, you do need a backup 332 in Phoenix. Whether it goes to Hawaii, Kansas City or just a trip to/from PHL doesn't real
35 Steeler83 : Ok, so if there is already an A333 in PHL, then the A332(s) will go to PHX considering they get it/them? I can see PHX-Hawaii or PHX-PHL-ATH as well.
36 Jdwfloyd : Why have two spares in the system when on could possibly do the job? I am not sure if they could get the timing down on the flights but I am sure the
37 Srbmod : Someone better tell the airline industry, as it's been SOP for years at hubs. Actually, it's not a profitable route, as LAS is a low yield route (Eve
38 Jfk777 : Given these airplanes are young, well maintained & have a Business Class cabin its a great idea. Austrian has 5 or 6 A332, just the numer US needs for
39 Whappeh : As there been any official speculation from anyone high up or any rumors buzzing around the office lately? I really want to believe this is too good f
40 Jdwfloyd : I talk to my buddy that works in Tempe for US and he said that they are talking with brokers about it this week.
41 Etops1 : the phl ath route will be flown by an a330. it was filed under the dot as a 767 for filing purposes. but it will be flown using the a330. bru will be
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