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Shanghai Air/Cathay Both Launch HKG-PVG  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Both Shanghai Airlines and Cathay Pacific will launch their own Shanghai-Hong Kong service eff 28NOV and 01DEC.

Shanghai Airlines will operate a daily 767 service. South African Airways is considering to codeshare on this flight.

FM809 PVG0915-1155HKG 767
FM810 HKG1305-1530PVG 767

Cathay Pacific will start daily Shanghai service, previously announced

CX368 HKG1840-2115PVG 330 x57
CX368 HKG1840-2115PVG 343 7
CX362 HKG2335-0205+1PVG 330 5

CX361 PVG0305-0545HKG 330 6
CX367 PVG2235-0115+1HKG 330 x57
CX367 PVG2235-0115+1HKG 343 7

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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Good news but that will make a lot of players on this route with also Dragonair and China Eastern which operate also a lot of flights

User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I am a little curious as to why CX decided to start PVG services with its own aircrafts, even when the takeover of KA is a done deal. Why start a flight to compete with its subsidiary?

User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1879 times:

Good to see finally there is a Star Alliance link between the 2 cities.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6394 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1857 times:

Sounds good, but at awfully strange times though.. Leave PVG at 3am and arrive in HKG at 5:45!

CX only has so many options to fly into China. When Dragonair came along, they gave all of the options to them. So now they own Dragonair they can fly into China more easily. They were probably always looking to fly this route, ever since they started PEK. I was hoping for this link, now everyone will be able to get to PVG all the way on CX metal. I wonder if there are any more destinations in China CX would be interested in travelling to..



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 3):
Good to see finally there is a Star Alliance link between the 2 cities.

One World for CX, Shanghai Air isn't in star alliance yet even though it was announced a while ago, integration isn't complete.



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User currently offlinePEK18R36L From China, joined Dec 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 2):
I am a little curious as to why CX decided to start PVG services with its own aircrafts, even when the takeover of KA is a done deal. Why start a flight to compete with its subsidiary?

Best reason I can think of for CX to maintain - and increase - its frequencies HKG-PVG and HKG-PEK would be the eventual likelihood (following the Olympics) of CAAC opening skies between HK and the Mainland, allowing CX fifth freedom rights ex-PEK and PVG, and CA, MU, and CZ fifth freedom rights ex HKG.

After all, we're all one big happy country now, and the Chinese government would see this as an extension of the preferential treatment it already gives HK businesses.

This would give CX two additional cities from which to serve European and especially North American pax, and the mainland airlines could use HKG as a hub.

Given the cross-ownership between CA, CX, and KA, my money is on this to start from PEK. Think of CX 312 landing in PEK at 2010, departing PEK for onward destination at 2130, catching businesspeople after a full work day. Return would put the plane into PEK at 0630, bringing said businesspeople in to start their work day in Beijing, then the aircraft would pick up the PEK pax and fly down to HKG.

I'm no scheduling expert, but if you tweaked times a bit you could probably make this work nicely and add a service that is more convenient for busines passengers than the current scheduling that kills at least half a work day in China in each direction.

Either way, that's the plan. Grab the slots now, push for fifth freedom later.

 twocents 

David



In China, everything is possible - but nothing is easy.
User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

CX has also been trying to break into the mainland Chinese market for YEAAAAAARS. One has to keep in mind the parent company of CX (Swire) as another reason mainland China was restricted for CX to enter.

At present PVG makes the THIRD destination for CX in mainland China, NOT the second. Xiamen, and Beijing were the original two cities that the government allowed CX to fly to. CX has been wanting a slice of the action of the mainland market for a while now so this is a big big step for them to get PVG rights.



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