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Irish 19, Lining Up And Cleared To Roll ...  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12399 posts, RR: 37
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Right everyone, welcome to another thrilling instalment of Irish aviation, where we will hope in vain for something positive and exciting to happen. Our destination is Potential and en route, we'll be having compulsory, government required stops at Indifference, Weathervane, Visionless and somewhere else, if the mood takes us ... So get out your Euros and we'll be wheeling the food trolley through the cabin - crisp €20 notes only, please. We have no change, but we just like the colour of the 20s; it goes with the decor.

OK, folks ... What's next on the horizon: well, the Ryanair - Aer Lingus saga is moving at about the same speed as an American daytime soap, but Aer Lingus will be issuing its rebuttal of FR's offer document next week. There is a lot of pressure on EI to make this convincing, because they're not going to get away with just a gratuitous gainsaying of everything FR said. EI is in a particularly difficult situation for a number of reasons:-
1. It's still in the shadow of SIPTU, which will fight job cuts and even if EI gets way with these, the temptation to accept FR's offer will be very attractive to anyone likely to get laid off.
2. Its long haul ambitions are being thwarted by the whole O/S issue and with uncertainty over how the EU/US issue will play out, it makes it incredibly difficult to plan for fleet and route development.
3. FR can wait; ultimately, the EI share price will have to drop below €2.8 and MO'L can pounce again; the EU Competition office are unlikely to stop them.

The environment and its impact on aviation (and many would say - more importantly, vice versa!) has come into the media this week and we, as a country need to think particularly carefully about this. How can we maximise the efficiency of our aviation sector. This actually dovetails with a lot of what we should be doing; if we could condense it down to a key phrase, it would be "make sure our infrastructure allows aircraft to be used as efficiently as possible" - that means longer a longer runway, first of all, but it also means that regulatory issues don't undermine the most efficient use of aircraft.

Then, there's govt policy; I know I've had more than a few pot-shots at this, but clearly, we need to ask one question: what will it take to make the govt express an understanding of the importance of aviation, then (more importantly) do something about it and even more importantly, accept ownership of the overall responsibility to make sure aviation works effectively for us.

These and other questions will probably not be answered conclusively this week, but sit down, relax and enjoy the ride, because we at AirNet Airways just love taking you for a ride ...

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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 138):
No, I think it means that the cargo business is DOWN 25% on the previous year, not that that it provides 25% of the revenue. That said, EI hasn't been that focused on cargo in recent years. However, I'd expect them to do well on cargo on the DXB route, particularly with the new timings, which allow much better feed, to/from Asia.

Anyway, here's Thread 19 ... shall we connect here and meet at the next stop ...

Yes, that is what I meant. It is DOWN 25%. They are only doing about E40M a year in cargo if I remember the IPO propectus. Pitiful, should be much higher.


User currently offlineAerArann From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Anyone hear about the RE ATR72 that had an engine fire yesterday (Wednesday 1/11)

I read in the Irish Times that RE254 from KIR diverted to SNN and landed safely.

I cant find it on the net anywhere.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12399 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6553 times:

I think that's all there is, Aer Arann. It made a safe landing. I heard about it on Breakingnews.ie. However, I'm sure the AAIU will be investigating it.

As for Aer Lingus and cargo, I think their plan is to grow cargo and they'll certainly do it on long haul routes. As I've said many times before, cargo is the ugly sister, but can be a very profitable one - if the facilities are put in place. Once EI goes further into Asia, I can see it becoming more and more important.

Today (in fact, within the next 15 minutes, if they follow the FR practice), EI is to publish its defence document, in response to FR's offer letter. This is a crucial document for EI and it needs to do a lot more than just criticise FR or gainsay its claims; people will look at both and see who has the stronger vision and could, conceivably on that basis, direct their votes/shares in a particular direction. Making a mess of it could have very serious consequences. No doubt we'll be hearing more this evening ...


User currently offlineMccormk From Ireland, joined Jun 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Kaitak you mentioned the DXB route for cargo. From what i understand EI arent interlining with EK on cargo. So basically freight can get to DXB. But it sits there till a new MAWB is generated and handed over to EK. Rather than an interline agreement were the freight actually has its end destination manifested thru the EI and EK network... With EI not working with EK is a big loss.

User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6465 times:

Quoting Mccormk (Reply 4):
Kaitak you mentioned the DXB route for cargo. From what i understand EI arent interlining with EK on cargo. So basically freight can get to DXB. But it sits there till a new MAWB is generated and handed over to EK. Rather than an interline agreement were the freight actually has its end destination manifested thru the EI and EK network... With EI not working with EK is a big loss.

Rumor has it thats all about to change, Most of the cargo that goes in and out on th SQ 744 that comes into Dublin uses EI cargo... EI actually used to handle the 744 before they got out of handling other airlines. Anyway I believe that EI is going to use DXB as a mini hub for it's cargo aspirations. It wasn't a great source that I got the rumor from but It makes common sense...

And actually I asked if EI's overall cargo was down 25% and could that be possibly due to the fact that in 2005 they pull cargo from most of it's short haul network?



John Hancock
User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Instead of getting rid of the A330's, they should get them converted to freighters! Definitely the business for it out there.

User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Is this what we've all been waiting for


http://www.ise.ie/app/announcementDetails.asp?ID=1331498



EI, FR, BD, RE, UA, XL, US,
User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

I had a quick read of the rebuttle and I think they have set out their stall very well.

One think I picked up on very quickly was the utilisation of capital in 2007 and 2008. This would imply an order for aircraft very soon and new long haul routes to be announced there after.

I also like the way they have used a quote from MOL and also the former chairman of FR.

Hopefully this will keep those EI investors holding their shares. They are back up to 2.88 so going the right direction.


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6388 times:

Hasn't really convinced me. It's more what they don't say is the problem...

- With regard growing shorthaul out of Dublin faster than FR, this is only due to FR's embargo on new routes because of it's arguments with the DAA. This will change from this year onwards.

- "Passengers value its Low Fares, Way Better proposition and choose Aer Lingus", really, what is the difference? Other than an allocated seat, which they will shortly begin charging for.

- "achieves aircraft utilisation in line with Ryanair’s", I seriously question this. EI do NOT do 25min turns, and on a lot of flights, the block times allow a lot of slack.

- "Significantly undervalues Aer Lingus".. hehehe... makes the government look pretty stupid..


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12399 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Yes, it appears, based on my comment above, that Aer Lingus people don't get up as early as Ryanair's!

Still, good news that they are focusing on long haul, but a lot of this is dependant on the govt pitchforking the EU into letting new access go ahead.

With regard to your comment, Smokeyrosco, what are the rumours? New routes, or just a new r'ship with EK? I was wondering if EK might add a DUB service with its Skycargo subsidiary, now that they have A310s; alternatively, Qatar or Etihad might do so?

Apparently, at that Future Airport Development conference last week, the Dept of Transport Secretary, Julie O'Neill, hinted at some significant developments on the cargo front, so let's hope something significant comes up. DUB's capacity needs to be raised considerably - initially to about 300,000t and ultimately, to 500,000t. The key point to bear in mind is that, as with pax capacity, if facilities are at breaking point, there is no incentive to go out and market, but if there is a new facility, the DAA (or whoever operates it) will need to go out and hustle and also, one can only hope that this will provide the impetus to extend the current runway.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 9):
- "Passengers value its Low Fares, Way Better proposition and choose Aer Lingus", really, what is the difference? Other than an allocated seat, which they will shortly begin charging for.

I am one of the frequent passengers choosing EI over FR. More legroom, leather seats, possibility to choose seat online, flying to main airports are main points imho. Never heard that they are going to charge for selecting seat.

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 9):
"achieves aircraft utilisation in line with Ryanair's", I seriously question this. EI do NOT do 25min turns, and on a lot of flights, the block times allow a lot of slack.

Don't get fooled. FR schedules are a bit fake. They have longer flying times and shorter stops so that they more often are "on time". On many airports 25 min turnround is just not realistic, like the airports that EI flies to.


User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 9):
"Passengers value its Low Fares, Way Better proposition and choose Aer Lingus", really, what is the difference?

They don't cancel a flight at the last minute and tell you to f*ck off...

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 9):
EI do NOT do 25min turns

Yes they do.


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

I am one of the frequent passengers choosing EI over FR. More legroom, leather seats, possibility to choose seat online, flying to main airports are main points imho. Never heard that they are going to charge for selecting seat.

I've never noticed a leg-room difference, I thought newer FR planes had leather seats? Agree with you about flying to main airports, but this has never really been an issue on IE->UK flights, and now FR are even flying to MAD! Yes, I heard about the seat charging a while ago, but the document issued by EI today is the first official confirmation.

Don't get fooled. FR schedules are a bit fake. They have longer flying times and shorter stops so that they more often are "on time". On many airports 25 min turnround is just not realistic, like the airports that EI flies to.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be doing this, just making the point that I don't see how their utilization can be comparable with FR. They cannot get in and out of LHR/AMS/FRA/CDG etc quicker than FR can at their alternatives.

Last Monday I flew DUB-AMS. Air time was 60mins. Block time was 1hr 35. In addition, the official turn time for the return flight was another 55mins! Again, not that these are bad, just I don't believe they have as high a utilisation as FR.


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

When asked if a bid at a higher price from Ryanair could win the backing of shareholders, Aer Lingus CEO Dermot Mannion said he could not conceive of any circumstances where a bid from Michael O'Leary would succeed.

This really does seem as if EI and it's Snr Managemnt are in an "anything but FR" mode.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 13):
Last Monday I flew DUB-AMS. Air time was 60mins. Block time was 1hr 35. In addition, the official turn time for the return flight was another 55mins! Again, not that these are bad, just I don't believe they have as high a utilisation as FR.

I flew to AMS on EI twice recently and always was "lucky" to land on "Poldberaan" on Monday and take off from "Poldberaan" on Friday. With 25 min taxi it would be hard to make 25 min turnaround.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Quoting Provance (Reply 7):
Is this what we've all been waiting for

http://www.ise.ie/app/announcementDe...31498

Perhaps it is because we are about to have a mid-term election here in Amerika, and the tele is non-stop political commericals, and I am completely inured to them that I found the EI rebuttal lacking. To wit:



    o Aer Lingus has made a dramatic improvement in its return on capital and is now among the best in the industry

    - - - - Sounds like an advert of a new toothpaste

    o Aer Lingus announces a target return of 15% per annum on its fleet investment

    - - - - Anybody can have a target, what did you do?

    o Aer Lingus has a compelling customer proposition and a differentiated strategy

    - - - - Sounds like a toothpaste advert

    o Passengers value its "Low Fares, Way Better" proposition and choose Aer Lingus

    - - - - I should hope so, but they also chose FR

    o Aer Lingus has significant growth prospects on short-haul and on long-haul where it is in prime position for exceptional long-term growth following delivery of Open Skies

    - - - - "If I am elected, I will BLAH BLAH BLAH!"


However, I never worried too much about advertising, which is all this is. I doubt if any of the smart money cares. This was NOT a well reasoned, factual rebuttal. I know the EI numbers from having read their annual report and the IPO prospectus. Right now DM is trying an expansion gamble. He is increasing the number of flights, which could be good or a disaster. Unless he cuts his costs, he can NOT afford to let the load factors drop without an increase in fares. He could be flying EI into the ground. We will know in six months.

I really wish Ard Ri Bertie would drag both DM and MOL into a room and knock some sense into them.

The stock is up slightly to E2.87 on light trading.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 14):
When asked if a bid at a higher price from Ryanair could win the backing of shareholders, Aer Lingus CEO Dermot Mannion said he could not conceive of any circumstances where a bid from Michael O'Leary would succeed.

This really does seem as if EI and it's Snr Managemnt are in an "anything but FR" mode.

It indicates that DM and his staff have been eating too much red meat and they are letting their manhood make their decisions. It is sad and stupid, because they certainly sound like they would perfer to kill EI than let MOL take it.

There well may be "blood on the carpet" and it will be DM holding the knife, not MOL.

Ireland will be the loser.


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

It took them two weeks to put together that document?

Grief.



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 17):

It indicates that DM and his staff have been eating too much red meat and they are letting their manhood make their decisions. It is sad and stupid, because they certainly sound like they would perfer to kill EI than let MOL take it.

Or it indicates that they believe that MOL will do to EI exactly what he did to Buzz and are determined to defend EI.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Going off on a tangent here.

Need to back to Ireland for a short trip in 2 weeks.(from BOS). AA has stopped their direct service last week. Fly direct with EI is $837. Fly to ORK via LHR with AA is $486. I will get to Cork just after 11am and Cork is my final destination anyway . Needless to say I took the AA option. I can handle the LHR thing for $350 spared. Doesn't even look like the EI flights are really full either. I guess they are cashing in on the 'Christmas shoppers'!


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Or it indicates that they believe that MOL will do to EI exactly what he did to Buzz and are determined to defend EI.

The point is, it is NOT his job to defend EI. It is his job to act in the best interest of the shareholders.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 21):
Or it indicates that they believe that MOL will do to EI exactly what he did to Buzz and are determined to defend EI.

The point is, it is NOT his job to defend EI. It is his job to act in the best interest of the shareholders.

In his view it is in the best interest of shareholders. They can make more much more money if EI grows that by selling to MOL at 2,80.


User currently offlineAl2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

In his view it is in the best interest of shareholders. They can make more much more money if EI grows that by selling to MOL at 2,80

Fair enough, but I'm taking issue with the following statement:

"he could not conceive of any circumstances where a bid from Michael O'Leary would succeed"

Now despite what you think of the €2.80 bid, there is a price at which the shareholders would get the best deal. DM has just ruled this out!


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting Al2637 (Reply 21):
Or it indicates that they believe that MOL will do to EI exactly what he did to Buzz and are determined to defend EI.

The point is, it is NOT his job to defend EI. It is his job to act in the best interest of the shareholders.

I think it is important to point out to Danny, Smokeyrosco and some others that when you are in a fight, you must fight with your mind, not your heart. While screaming insults at your enemy as you charge him may seem like the right thing to do, it is far better to bushwack the bastard.

AI2637 is quite right, DM's job is to do what is BEST FOR HIS SHAREHOLDERS. Hopefully, it is done by growing the company, making it profitable and increasing the value of the stock. In this case it may be to sell to MOL. In no case is it DM's job to drive EI into the ground. That would be contrary to his fiduciary duties.

Right now DM is defending his company, and I believe he thinks he is doing what is best for EI, but I am seeing the signs of testicular thinking in his comments, and now actions. I, for one, am not in favor of willy nilly growth of routes and frequencies unless and until there are substantial cost cuts -- which while talked about -- have yet to occur. We have a report a few days ago that over a nine month period, the short haul load factor was 77.1 down 1.4% while the long haul was 80% down 6.7% That, people, is bad. Now he wants to double the frequency of the long haul flights? I am not sure DM has thought that one out carefully. In fact, I suspect it is a "gallant move," much like the Charge of the Light Brigade.


25 Post contains links JWMD123 : I think we have to take the long haul fall off in context. Don't forget last year they were operating the Florida route. This is what they attribute
26 Post contains images Danny : Ryanair's was down 2%. You could say that EI is winning.
27 Post contains links Poitin : Minor detail but load factor is the per centage of seats in a flight that have passengers in it. If you cancel a flight, then it has no impact on loa
28 Poitin : Yeap, EI is winning. Right up to the time EI closes the doors. EI makes money with load factors greater than about 80%, whereas FR is doing it in the
29 Smokeyrosco : I'm not in a fight, nore am I thinking whats in my heart, if that where the case I'd be defending SNN and probably DUB but I never have. I also think
30 Shamrock350 : Where does it say this? I think it would be a bad idea, as Aer Lingus fares are higher than Ryanairs so why bother paying €20 while you could pay
31 Poitin : No, but DM is, and unfortunately he is not using his brain to the extent he should. I really question pumping up the frequency of flights without red
32 Kaitak : I'm glad EI made a spirited defence of its cause. It's important that it supports its own as well; EI employees need good morale at this time and it's
33 Smokeyrosco : I don't mean for him to completely abandon SNN but I do think all ground handling cleaning and catering in SNN (I'm not sure if EI still does cleanin
34 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : Another point I want to make (again... I hate repeating myself) EI has only really been in the business of making money for a few weeks, FR has been t
35 Poitin : They need NEW routes not lower load factors on existing routes. While overly simplified, this is the basics of EI's cash flow: Given a hard to raise
36 Kaitak : DM's strategy is pretty hamstrung at the moment; really, all he can do is work with what he has. We can at least learn a lesson from what's happening
37 Al2637 : "um from a hostile takeover? shouldn't that be what any CEO should do in a case like this?" Why is it hostile? Because DM and the board don't like it?
38 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : Because as per google: Definitions of HOSTILE TAKEOVER on the Web: A takeover that occurs without the approval of the target corporation's board of d
39 Poitin : Oh, I see your point. Actually, I see SNN as being a nice hub for both TA passengers and cargo that does NOT O/D in Ireland. That is fly into SNN and
40 Pilot21 : I was thinking about this over the past few days, and am at a loss to understand why AA couldn't make the BOS-SNN route work. From next yr EI will ha
41 Philb : Typical Dublincentric comment. This country is going the way of England in the 1970s - nothing outside the capital is important. I can't even fly Aer
42 Pilot21 : Funny comment in this mornings Irish Times from a trade union source when asked to predict the ESOT ballot in relation to EI take over by FR. The Esot
43 Al2637 : Article from todays Irish Times... not going to post it all, but the main points: "Let's be unequivocal, I cannot conceive of circumstances in which t
44 Pilot21 : There is a lot of capacity on that route at the moment, 2 CO B757's, 1 DL B767 and 3 EI A330's fly to the New York area everyday from DUB/SNN, so the
45 Kaitak : I agree completely, but does EI have the motivation to be the best; it has very good people and to anyone who says "there's not much difference betwe
46 Poitin : I have relatives in Co Meath who think of New York City as a suburb of Dublin. Me I live (when in Ireland) as about as far to the west side of the co
47 Post contains links Poitin : I just came across this article in Flight Global. It is an interesting read, given everyone in Dublin, at least, thinks that FR is the real enemy of E
48 Philb : Flew on the 112 in May 2005 - it was certainly full that day.
49 ThrottleHold : MOL's copy must be well read.
50 Smokeyrosco : It's the way I see the business, I know i'm not the most qualified to be giving my opinion, but as many people know i'll still give me. I believe SNN
51 Post contains links Poitin : Good points, all of them. A number of years ago I did some research on the Irish Railroad, curious as to why there were none, or basically none. My c
52 Smokeyrosco : A lot of the old western corridor is still intact and indeed still used by Irish Rail for the little cargo work it does. But even at that, with the p
53 Post contains images Pelican22 : I dont know if any of you heard DM on the radio on Saturday morning,but as some of you have already suggested, he was talking like a politician,saying
54 Philb : Fair enough, but you'd ignore the second largest (though not the most populous) county in the country? They stopped the gas pipeline at the Shannon a
55 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Will Aer Lingus do a BA and have a very strong short-haul fleet of Airbus aircraft and have quite a strong fleet of Boeing long-haul aircraft!? We kn
56 Kaitak : This is very interesting! So, it looks like our long standing suspicion is coming to fruition; it's going to be 787s. Zippity doo-dah!! That said and
57 Post contains links and images Al2637 : Ok, slightly off the aviation track.. but.. The WRC is a huge can of worms, and there are so many issues involved. http://www.platform11.org are Irela
58 Philb : Choice of airline, choice of destination, not restricted to narrow body, not restricted to what will only be a charter based operation at best not da
59 Post contains images Al2637 : Choice of airline, choice of destination, not restricted to narrow body, not restricted to what will only be a charter based operation at best not dai
60 Philb : Agreed about the hub situation but Cork is restricted by its geomorphology (the form of the land) and the fact it is prone to low cloud. Though most p
61 Post contains links Shamrock350 : The new Aer Lingus l/h product should be simple yet comfortable and effective. The problem with getting a long-haul product similar to the Aer Lingus
62 Poitin : This is Ireland, lad. Need I say more?[Edited 2006-11-05 15:52:02]
63 Pilot21 : Well lets hold back a little on this one. The A350XWB launch has been a mess because of the A380 nightmare, but if I thought DM was being a little cu
64 Kaitak : It seems that my zippity doo-dah was a bit too soon, so I'll just delete the doo-dah and confine myself to saying "zippity". I've always believed that
65 Smokeyrosco : Not at all do I, as I said I still don't see reason enough to focus efforts on any other Airport outside DUB, especially if your not FR. The whole pr
66 Bx737 : Just wondering does anyone remember an article in some magazine a few years ago about SAS and their 737NGs. IIRC SAS had opted for something in the e
67 Toulouse : Totally agree with both Pilot21 and SmokeyRosco on this one, and when I read the original post quoting DM saying he was in talks with Boeing I though
68 Smokeyrosco : Oh Oh while I'm here, Does Anyone know what NW's possible schedule is coming into Ireland? I got weird signs that the times the NW flight may be flyin
69 Poitin : I just love this sort of bull s###. No where in the report does it point out the carbon dioxide is balanced by vegetation both on land and sea. Most
70 Kaitak : I got Irish Air Letter in the post yesterday and it seems that NW's Irish plans have been put on ice; it's all to do with the Open Skies issue and the
71 Poitin : I am not argueing with you at all, and I quite agree with you. However, I was pointing out the Irish way of doing things. Philb is right, too much Du
72 Smokeyrosco : maybe too much centric thinking and far less common sense, after all, if it ways Dublin Centric SNN would have been shut down after 9/11
73 Smokeyrosco : Cheers
74 Kaitak : You know, I really wish it was all BS or (if you're MO'L), HS, but I still have concerns and I want to make sure - as sure as we can possibly be - tha
75 Post contains images Poitin : I can hardly wait for the reaction when everyone starts to avoid UK because of the fuel costs. This will backfire BIG TIME unless they get everyone e
76 Smokeyrosco : I actually agree with this in every way except maybe the name! I think what has the Irish afraid of it though is all they have to do is look across t
77 Smokeyrosco : Another point which I've been mulling over... this will cost FR big and how will it effect their proposed bloodbath attack on EI?[Edited 2006-11-05 2
78 Poitin : If UK charges VAT on fuel, then everyone has to pay the VAT so it will be awash for everyone. As for its impact on the EI take over, not at all, or a
79 JWMD123 : Never going to happen. All political parties are against this. it will be more wind power in the future.
80 Shamrock350 : I was a bit fast on saying the A350 was dead to Aer Lingus. I really like the A350 (hence my name) and I'm looking forward to seeing it's final desig
81 Pilot21 : Shamrock350, no need to explain, I hadn't heard the interview, so many thanks for highlighting what DM said to the thread. All I can do is speculate
82 Smokeyrosco : I have to be fair and (from my perspective) think that EI was looking at boeing as a way to reduce there price with Airbus. This time last year I was
83 Danny : It can't survive until 2011 either (and 787 is sold out until then). The only logical solution is.. more A330s.
84 Kaitak : Yes, right now, the 330 is the only game in town and thankfully, with EK having cancelled a shedload of 340s, these production slots will become avail
85 Post contains links Kaitak : Just caught this from the news section: http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1113817.php?mpnlog=1 Jetstar looking to expand to North America and Europe b
86 Kaitak : Borsa Italiana (the Italian stock market news) reports that MO'L has conceded that the takeover of EI is likely to fail, because the EI workers are li
87 JWMD123 : Here is the report from RTE. Looks like the good news SOME of us have been waiting to here. EI can now get back on track with plane purchases and more
88 Post contains links Poitin : So on to plan "B", whatever that might be. I would expect MOL to wait until he gets whatever feedback that will come from the European Commission and
89 Danny : On other note: I flew out of DUB this morning and I was suprised how smooth the security was in the first day of new EU rules on luquids. Not that I a
90 Smokeyrosco : Is it not obvious what plan B is? the EU is not going to have any major ruling on EI, the bid has failed (which means it will fail a second time as i
91 Kaitak : Just listening to DM's interview with Marian Finucane; in fairness, it's not a bad performance at all and Marian is certainly (or certainly didn't, pa
92 Smokeyrosco : Thats great news... I guess it supports my position By My calculations that leaves one 330 free according to the current schedule, and probably 2 320'
93 Toulouse : Yes, I for one fully agree with you SmokeyRosco. I had a gut feeling all along this FR buy-out would never work, and that's the way it's looking (yet
94 Toulouse : Very interesting Kaitak. Thanks for posting! I have to work now a bit, but I'll listen to the interview on rte.ie later and see.
95 Kaitak : D'oh, sorry, my bad ... I meant to say TWO long haul; my apologies, a genuine error on my part, just pressed the wrong key. However, the key focus of
96 Poitin : I think all MOL has to do is sit back and let others do his dirty work. Flybe is going to start sucking up business from FR and EI and perhaps even RE
97 Post contains links EI787 : Visionair's website is live again: http://www.visionair.ie I'm still wary of the airline though. It just doesn't seem right!!!
98 Smokeyrosco : Actually it's more like 30% - 35% EI and FR are completely different airlines in EVERYTHING they do and until you grasp that you'll never really appr
99 Toulouse : Is Flybe going to suddenly flood the Irish market? I doubt it. I don't really see Flybe causing EI much is any harm to EU, I'd be interested in knowi
100 Post contains links EI787 : In relation to Visionair, I found this press release from the Aviation Regulator: http://www.aviationreg.ie/images/Con...%2006%20notice%20for%20websit
101 Post contains links and images Aer Lingus : They say they fly the 767-200. But I don't think the 762 could make it from DUB-SIN nonstop unless its an ER. According to http://www.indo.com/distan
102 Shamrock350 : The only similarities are the low fares and that they are both Irish even though FR is mainly an EZY and BA competetor in Britain. Which many people
103 Kaitak : I saw in this month's Irish Air Letter and it said that the airline has scaled back its plan to a weekly DUB-Lagos, while the aircraft would be availa
104 Post contains images Poitin : Hey guys, you seem to have all the answers. However, I don't think you are looking at the numbers. I suggest we put this on hold for about 4 months an
105 Bx737 : I along with Toulouse have to disagree with Poitin. Flybe has very few routes out of Ireland. As long as FR is based in Ireland, very few LCCs are goi
106 Kaitak : Just had a quick look at the Jetstar site, to enquire about the seating on the airline's new A330-200s (actually, Qantas's "old" A332s) and they have
107 Toulouse : Oh Poitin, I was looking forward to you answering some of my questions. Perhaps you don't have an answer. I will agree, that I for one anyway as I'm
108 Kaitak : My feeling this morning is that the current situation leaves EI in a much better position. It now has a €300m insurance policy against FR, something
109 Toulouse : Good morning Kaitak! I totally agree with your post and also believe EI has emerged/is emerging as the winner, and is in a much stronger position rig
110 JWMD123 : Just listening to radio reports regarding FR's rise in profits and I noted to hear that FR has never paid a dividend. Is this true? i would think a co
111 ABC9 : Yes, it is true, but they plan to pay a dividend for the first time on their forthcoming end of year accounts. On another topic, I've read on here th
112 Danny : None. Operating costs will be lower as the fuel expense will be lower. FR will get hit though below operating line with loss on hedges. I would not a
113 Toulouse : Many thanks ABC9!! I'm certainly planning on participating more actively in this thrilling EI/FR debate! I have however been lurking around this thre
114 Post contains links EI787 : Look what I found on another forum: http://www.clubi.ie/bpl/Integra/AerLingus-YoureHome.mpg (Right click and save) It's the advert from Aer Lingus wit
115 Toulouse : THANK YOU SO SO MUCH EI787!! That advert means a lot to me sentimentally, and I admit it has brought me to tears. I remember when I used to watch thi
116 Post contains images EIBoston : I've just watched this and there is a swelling in the eyes. Toulouse, while it brought tears to your eyes, I'm glad to see that it also brings back s
117 EI787 : You're welcome, Toulouse! That's a touching story - I'll try and look up the post in non-av. It's amazing what aviation can do for people!!
118 Poitin : True Flybe is about 80% domestic to UK today, but what are they going to do with 61 Q400s -- park them in neat rows so we can look at them? They are
119 Shamrock350 : Thank you EI787! That is the airline advert that makes me proud to love an airline like Aer Lingus. I have been looking for it since the beginning of
120 EIBoston : Is there some website where one can download old Aer Lingus adverts??
121 Toulouse : Thanks EIBoston, and sorry to hear that you also lost your dad this year. It's hard but life does go on. I also well remember the "look up, look up i
122 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I have been looking for one for quite a while now and it's been hard enough to find Aer Lingus' most well know advert "Your home" which EI787 kindly
123 Pilot21 : Great find EI787! I've been keeping an eye out for this for a while, but it seemed lost to history. I was quite young when it was played on RTE, and
124 Poitin : The actual quotation should read: At March 31, 2006, the group employed 3,453 people. This compares to 2,717 staff at March 31, 2005. The increase in
125 Shamrock350 : Nice story pilot21. My oldest and probably my best memory of Aer Lingus was on a 737-500. I was very young but still remember most of the flight. We w
126 Post contains links Kaitak : In fairness, I doubt very much if all of these extra people are "filing clerks"?! I think EI has recognised that further efficiencies have to be made,
127 Toulouse : Just as we see today as Airbus turns first to getting rid of their contractors. Nevertheless, in the airline business I wonder if we can expect the s
128 Toulouse : yes, I think it's time!
129 Post contains links Kaitak : Here goes! 20/20 Vision - The New Irish Aviation Thread! (by Kaitak Nov 7 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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