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BA Connect To Be Sold To Flybe  
User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14227 times:

BA has announced that it is negotiating to sell most of BA Connect to flybe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6112252.stm

This willnot include the MAN-JFK, or the LCY operations.

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User currently offlineA380Heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14228 times:

So much for BA operating out of NEMA then - guess there will be no long service awards at BACON!!!

A380Heavy



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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14141 times:

I have just read about this, and I cannot believe just how quickly BA has given up on the Connect brand. It seems just yesterday that they announced the relaunch of British Airways regions to BA connect. At the time, they said they would give 2 years for BA connect to return a profit... How long has it been now?!?

I guess Mr Walsh is showing its true colours now, and its ambition of getting rid of anything that doesn't perform without questioning the long term impact on the global BA business. Such a short term vision will probably improve BA's performance in the near term, but will reduce BA's market and brand strenght in the long term.

Alan.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14120 times:

Great news for Flybe, but I am surprised with BA's decision................although I would go on to say that I am not so surprised when you have Willie at the helm.......He ruled with an iron rod at EI in his final years there and lets be honest he did turn it around.

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14127 times:

So this means no more BA at BHX?


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User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14111 times:

here is what BA has to say on their website. I find this part quite interesting: "British Airways will have a 15 percent investment in Flybe on completion of the disposal."

Wonder how they want to keep the LCY ops. Will they just keep a few ARJ and base them in LCY? At the moment no BA aircraft are based in LCY...


User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14076 times:

Here's what Flybe are saying
http://www.flybe.com/next_gen/default.htm

"Flybe plans to accelerate its current fleet renewal programme and will phase out all of the existing BA Connect fleet as soon as possible. The current Flybe £1.2bn investment programme in Bombardier Q400 and Embraer 195 aircraft will be complete by 2009."

"The acquisition comes as Flybe announces its strongest ever summer trading period, resulting in an operating profit of £20.5 million* for the six months to 30th September 2006, which compares to an operating profit of £12.4 million* in the same period on 2005."


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14046 times:

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 1):
So much for BA operating out of NEMA then

What about services operated by GB Airways from Manchester, East Midlands and Bristol?

Services operated by GB Airways are unaffected by this announcement.

It was fairly obvious to some that Bacon would fry from the beginning. It's a shame but I can see Flybe doing better things at MAN than BA, not like I like that idea but c'est la vie.



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User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14026 times:

"As part of this sale British Airways announced that it will now formally be renaming itself London Airways"

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13951 times:

It seems like the BAConnect brand was formed only a few months ago and already a sale has been agreed ‘in principle’. Willy Wonka and the BA Board have certainly given the airline a chance to prove itself! What next? BA hardly has any presence in the UK north of the M25, so shall they rebrand as London Airways? How come U2, FR, Jet2 etc can make regional flying profitable yet BD cannot and BA gives up and pulls out almost completely?

I do not know whether the sale is good news or bad news. It could be good news as flybe might be keen to develop the regional routes and become a strong force in regional flying, rather than just concentrate on expansion at LHR and maximise profits for shareholders, both of which were BA’s principle objectives. It could be bad news as flybe might use the opportunity for a hike in prices, as there will be less competition on many routes.

The BAConnect fleet will be disposed of and replaced with types operated by flybe, but what about the BAConnect staff, who are being told the news as they report for work this morning? Will flybe sort out their pension problems? Will there be many redundancies? I wish all the BAConnect crews the best for the future. Somehow regional flying will now not be the same as before.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13924 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 9):
The BAConnect fleet will be disposed of and replaced with types operated by flybe, but what about the BAConnect staff, who are being told the news as they report for work this morning? Will flybe sort out their pension problems? Will there be many redundancies? I wish all the BAConnect crews the best for the future. Somehow regional flying will now not be the same as before.

Very sad news in deed. It is incredible how BA can not operate a profitable regional service like AF or LH... But it seems that there is an over capactiy in the UK with all these low costs flying around with rediculous prices.

I was in London once and I have flown with BA to LHR. I met some friends there and they asked me if I used Stansted. I said LHR. They told me I must be posh to afford it.

If the UK public is looking fpr 40 pounds tickets from the regions, there is nothing that BA can do about it. And let's face it. In other countries like France or Germany, LH and AF don't have that much competion at their primaray and secondary hubs (CDG,LYS or FRA,MUC)... so!!!



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13888 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 9):
I wish all the BAConnect crews the best for the future. Somehow regional flying will now not be the same as before.

Yes I share the same feelings, I've already spoken to one unhappy camper this morning. Will the remaining Bacon fleet still have any business on the IOM maintenance wise?



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13836 times:

What will happen to Loganair?

BA's only remaining regional product.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 9):
BA hardly has any presence in the UK north of the M25,

These will be the only non London airports in the UK to see BA:

MAN (JFK, LHR, LGW)
NCL (LHR, LGW)
EDI (LCY, LHR, LGW)
GLA (LGW, LHR)
ABZ (LHR, LGW)
JER (LGW)

Quite sad really!



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13823 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
These will be the only non London airports in the UK to see BA:

Well not quite, from a public point of view MAN, EMA and BRS will still see GB Airways flights. Will they still opearte with buy on board too?



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13804 times:

I'm really looking forward to the whole thing. BA have never seriously had any intention of growing from MAN, so let BE come in and make a go of routes.

Wonder what'll happen to the Billund routes and services to BRU from MAN, which are heavily tied in with SN routes out of BRU?

Will we see more codesharing on the enw BE routes with the likes of CO/AF/KL I wonder?


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
What will happen to Loganair?

BA's only remaining regional product.

I don't see a future for them. A possibility would be takeover by Aer Arann.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 11):
Will the remaining Bacon fleet still have any business on the IOM maintenance wise?

I'll be watching very carefully to see what happens to BA staff at BACON HQ in Manchester, and in the IOM.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 12):
These will be the only non London airports in the UK to see BA:

MAN (JFK, LHR, LGW)
NCL (LHR, LGW)
EDI (LCY, LHR, LGW)
GLA (LGW, LHR)
ABZ (LHR, LGW)
JER (LGW)

Quite sad really!

Quite alarming that BHX is about to lose all BA services. It's not sad for me, having declined to use BA services for 20 years, from the time they were nationalised and along with the CAA, tried to scupper QF and SQ's plans to operate into MAN.

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 14):
I'm really looking forward to the whole thing. BA have never seriously had any intention of growing from MAN, so let BE come in and make a go of routes.

Hear hear!

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 14):
Wonder what'll happen to the Billund routes and services to BRU from MAN, which are heavily tied in with SN routes out of BRU?

Good point. Will we see SN/BA codeshare in competition with BE's own services?


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13678 times:

Is certainly going to be an exciting time! Am going to hold fire on booking flights for next summer, could be some really cracking offers from MAN to Madrid and Frankfurt with BE! Yayy!!!

User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13633 times:

Wonder if BE will join OneWorld as part of this deal...?

Would make sense.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13621 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 18):
Wonder if BE will join OneWorld as part of this deal...?

Or BE will be a BA franchise???



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13622 times:

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 18):
Wonder if BE will join OneWorld as part of this deal...?

Would make sense

It wouldn't. Flybe are a LCC, look what happened to Aer Lingus.

Will Flybe be a member of oneworld?
No

BA Link



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13593 times:

BA have said in a letter to staff that 10 Avros will stay in the fleet to operate out of LCY.
At the set up of BA Connect in the spring it was announced that they had two years to become profitable. The sale has come earlier because of an approach by FlyBE to buy the airline.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13575 times:

Quoting Foxy (Reply 8):
"As part of this sale British Airways announced that it will now formally be renaming itself London Airways"

They did that in the early 1980s but have just been too shy to paint it on the aircraft.


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13557 times:

Interesting news indeed.
GB is likely to make a massive expansion out of MAN/BRS/EMA or BHX. There is always demand for the mediterranean resorts ex any UK airport. The question is: will they choose BHX or EMA???
As for BE, it is a great opportunity for them to expand at many European business cities and thus attract more high yield pax.



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13524 times:
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Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 21):
BA have said in a letter to staff that 10 Avros will stay in the fleet to operate out of LCY.

Maybe now that all the testing is going on with the 318 for LCY, BA will consider replacing these birds with new 318's?


25 Vfw614 : Looks as if I will be on the second but last British Airways flight from the Isle Of Man on 24MAR07..... I would not be surprised if this development
26 TCXDegsy : I wouldn't be surprised if there's a handful of new domestic routes trialled by BA as full service shuttle offering. Considering shuttle routes such a
27 Post contains images Skidmarks : Well, for the IOM, the mood is fairly depressed, with not much optimism. We have been shafted good and proper by BA. Just wish they had been open and
28 8herveg : I think this is such ashame for BA Connect and an embarrassment for British Airways in general, being the flag carrier of the United Kingdom. I think
29 BAStew : BA must see some rosy future for BA Con under the FLYBE banner though. On the staff intrnate, Willie Walsh says BA will have a 15% investment on FLYBE
30 Eurohub : Since the Billund route is operated by franchise partner Sun Air of Scandinavia, I expect that this route (and their route out of BHX) will continue
31 JumpJet : I simply don't understand BA! As an ordinary member of the public with a basic interest in aviation and a will to fly a minimum of 3 or 4 times a year
32 Sn26567 : Flybe can only improve service on that route. BA Connect service to BRU has been abysmal and could not compare to SN. A warm welcome to Flybe! And no
33 CYatUK : I wonder what will happen to the service onboard GB Airways planes flying under BA Connect brand. Are we going back to full service or is the ezy typ
34 Post contains links CKT789 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6112690.stm
35 Candid76 : I have mixed feelings about this. Firstly there's no doubt that domestic point to point non-leisure routes need a business product. Business traveller
36 Vfw614 : Will this mean the end of franchising the BA brand to regional airlines such as Loganair or Sun Air ? As these do not serve LON, there is little chanc
37 Gkirk : Assuming that FlyBe don't decide to drop routes such as MAN-FRA/BRU/CDG etc
38 BCAL : Andy As you work for BAConnect, you are personally affected by the decision but it might be a good move and, I sincerely hope, will result in a more
39 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Great news I wish Flybe the best of luck with this, i'm sure it will work well for them Lee
40 Cardiffairtaxi : I think you just might see a further investment from Easyjet, from BRS. Ive heard a rumour,they are planning even more services and aircraft from BRS
41 David_itl : Manchester Evening News got the story, and has this line: "Flybe, formerly Jersey European Airways, said it planned to add services from Manchester to
42 Foxy : Will have to check if my copy has dropped through my door yet. Was quite dismayed this morning when i turned on BBC news 24 to find there leading sto
43 Jmc757 : Interesting news indeed. Unfortunately I think the writing has been on the wall for a long time, way before "Connect". Its been clear for a while that
44 Post contains images Trekster : Not been a good day at work. The Ba Connect offices are on the floor below me, and saw one or 2 people crying around the office  I can see why BA hav
45 Sam1987 : My apologies... I also forgot the GT routes ex MAN. So, from March 2007, these will be the only non London airports in the UK to see BA: BRS (TFS) EM
46 Post contains images BA787 : The more I hear about BA, the more I hate it. They're gonna ruin themselves!!!!
47 Trekster : BA787 There going though a change, as are alot of airlines. BA is getting rid of a loss making part of the company, and at the right time, some wants
48 Jmc757 : Just a thought. Anyone know what will happen to the ground handling? BA have a large full ground handling operation at BHX (and I guess other airports
49 Pe@rson : Unexpected, but quite unsurprising. I flew EXT-GCI-JER last night (BE311; DH4). The flight was less than 50% full each time. We would have pushed-back
50 GSM763 : I'm sure I read somewhere thast the handling operation stays with BA.
51 Post contains images Capital146 : I only heard about this a short time ago when I got home from work, so am still digesting the details. Andy (and any other BA Connect staff here).....
52 Post contains images Planesarecool : Yes, they're ruining themselves by dumping a loss making section of the company This is great news. The regions get newer aircraft and somewhat chepe
53 Post contains images Skidmarks : Well, all we actually know is we are getting sold. As to the News on the Flybe website, they are hardly going to say "We are dumping the BA Connect E
54 BA787 : Maybe so, but BA aren't going to be a british airline anymore. They don't serve britain they serve London end of. And that annoys me. Basically BA ar
55 GDB : My sincere condolences Skidmarks-and anyone else here connected-pardon the pun, to this operation. I won't come it with the 'I know how you feel' stuf
56 Trekster : BA787, BA are still going to do flts to the major cites, and nearly everyone is within 2 hours at most of a BA airport, even after March. Its a big ch
57 BA787 : Right heres how I see it and I now have a few questions Does the end of BA connect mean pretty much the end of all regional services within the UK fo
58 Trekster : Were u meant to link my reply there. Anyway, BA will still be serving all parts of the country on the shuttle routes, and the routes out of LCY. We h
59 BA787 : I hope MAN do too. I really like BA just wish theyd stop boning LHR up the arse and expand across the UK ansdd live up to their national roots
60 Timboflier215 : Neither! It's probably Easyjet or something!! Lol. Depressing, isn't it?! I know BA have to do what they have to do to survive as a private company,
61 BA787 : I know all I hope is that they expand at MAN, one thing im thinking is this will piss of the other oneworld members, no more connections within the U
62 David_itl : I belive they'll maintain the status quo and not look to expand any time soon. One thing that I'd love to know- is the JFK run going to revert to BA
63 Cambrian : They haven't been for a long time- pulled out of Cardiff a few years back- do not serve Wales at all (although they have a maintenance base at CWL).
64 Post contains images Irobertson : This whole thread reminds me of a similar potential problem in Canada, what with Air Canada. Except I think that in the end, BA is doing the right thi
65 Post contains links and images LHRjc : Nearly.... VS is Britain's Flag Carrier, although they serve even fewer British airports than BA !!! View Large View MediumPhoto © Raymond Wang
66 Trekster : Any airline can claim to be the flag carrier, but i believe the proper flag carrier is BA as it carries the queen (most of the time) and is Britain's
67 Post contains links and images LHRjc : Sorry I stand corrected, my apologies Virgin Atlantic Airways claimed it was the flag carrier of the UK, as British Airways stopped putting a Union J
68 Richard28 : Like you say, there is no legal definition of flag carrier - so a bit of a pointless conversation really! Remember, the VS "flag carrier" bit was a t
69 Pe@rson : But you are inherently biased: you work for B.A.
70 Konrad : Now, would bmi be able to take advantage of this development and offer more Domestic to International connections via MAN?
71 Rdwootty : Well it was down to Willy to chop it off! The flights I have had with BAconnect have been very satisfactory and especially the Buy on Board. Far super
72 Humberside : There aren't many domestic routes for Flybe to give up. The ones they may give up are BRS-EDI/GLA (nothing stated today about commitment to BRS) but
73 Pe@rson : I think they could, so long as they operate five- to seven-times-per-weekday (roughly 390-546 seats per one-way) rather than U2's thrice-per-weekday.
74 ANstar : So where exactly is London? China? As long as they fly from London, they can call themselves British Airways. Last time I checked, London was in Brit
75 Post contains images MainMAN : Yes, very good question. Do bmi have the foresight? Unfortunately bmi seem wedded to Heathrow too. A bmi/flybe mini-hub would be an interesting propo
76 Post contains images A340600 : Well, actually I think this will have a lot to do with the events in August, of all people, we should understand how changeable the aviation industry
77 Post contains images Planesarecool : Not likely, because they're long haul vision is currently focused on LHR (I wonder why...), and BA have shown that there is little mainline business
78 BAStew : I think that despite what everyones personal feeling or views on this are, there is one point that needs to be accepted: BA Connect was losing GBP1M p
79 BAStew : End of all regional services within the UK for BA? Pretty much so. Except for the ones BA feel can be profitable. Or routes that feed long-haul traff
80 BMED : Think it would be good for bmi regional to pick up the ERJ fleet and expand their services out of MAN.
81 Cjbmibe : As people have said before BA are not committed to the regions, Northern Ireland being one of them! BA dropped their LHR service about 6 years ago whe
82 Post contains images Skidmarks : Actually, that is wrong. BA Connect HAD started to make an inroad into the loss. However, Flybe's offer enticed WW to circumvent the promise he made
83 Sausageandmash : Pulled out of BFS after 9/11, closed the shuttle crew and engineering bases there. Gradually moved all BFS services to BHD and then closed the crew b
84 ELAL 744 : To all you very nice people who are bitching about BA's not flying to various small markets across the UK, let me remind you of the following: You did
85 BMED : Be interesting to visit SOU now, pretty much the bulk of flight will be flybe but at least it means the check-in area will improve as they take over t
86 BA787 : Such a shame though, why is it such a problem for BA to make routes profitable that other airlines seem to master?
87 BA787 : Im sorry mate but no matter what you can say (which you seem to quite a lot) BA is still and will always be our flag carrier. With recent development
88 Humberside : IB have a large regional presense, although much of that is now going to Click Air. But IB are flying to the likes of Cairo and Dakar from the Spanis
89 Srichards : Here speaks someone who doesn't have the faintest idea what BA has been doing in the regions. As previous posts have said, BA has always viewed the r
90 Post contains images BAStew : I agree. While most of us on here are airline enthusiasts and a small market for business pax to europe does exist 'Joe Public' will pretty much fly
91 BA787 : I agree if anyone is to blam for the lack of BA presence in regional markets it is the British Public. I must admit, although no a frequent flyer, (f
92 MainMAN : What has anybody said to illicit such a typically childish and rude response from you? It isn't really worthy of an answer. Some of us have been thro
93 Philb : It isn't. It is the leading business centre of the UK, not the only one. It is the leading tourist centre but the proportion of tourists to the UK NO
94 BAStew : BA cannot really compete with the onslaught of LCC's in the south east. Luckily for BA, they have two defence mechanisms against the orange/irish one
95 Post contains images Planesarecool : The difference is, Spain is a lot closer to Africa, so intercontinental flights are a lot shorter. BA have very few flights to North Africa from Lond
96 Philb : Utter rubbish. The airports are designed to serve regional hinterlands and the "surface travel to fly areas" are demographically and statistically dr
97 Planesarecool : And what are the figures for passengers travelling to DSA/LBA/LPL/BLK but bound for Manchester (city and suburbs)?
98 Bennett123 : Bae146/RJ/RJX Bae146 E1015 G-MABR ST 1992-1995 1984 E2036 G-GNTZ ST 2002-2002 1985 E2079 G-MIMA ST 2005-2005 1987 E2088 G-MANS ST 1992-1993 2002-2002
99 Beaucaire : FlyBe had announced some months ago they wanted to establish a french base for french domestic operations.Since then they have apparently shelved this
100 Philb : As far as I know they haven't been published in recent years. The LGW figures were collated at the request of the BTA when looking at tourism trends i
101 Shamrock_747 : No amount of squabbling over pax numbers and airport catchment areas will change the fact that BA are focused around London. The airline's key concern
102 Trekster : here here Declan That is waht i have wanted to say, but could not put it in those words
103 BMED : When I look to book flights back home there are lots of flights. All of the london airports have links unless you mean places like manston or norwich
104 GDB : Is it BA's fault that the London/SE is overdeveloped, too weighted in major business/financial/political institutions? I know many-most of the press,
105 BmiBaby737 : Just speeding it up for now, but i'd think they'd take up their Embraer options... Bmi
106 Philb : Very true - but there are some caveats. From 1978-1984 I was responsible as GMC Conference Officer for the development of business tourism to Manches
107 Humberside : Fair point about the Africa flights but I still woudnt call Iberia Madrid Airways. They have a large number of European mainline flights from the Spa
108 Post contains links Concorde001 : I have just started the following thread: BA Connect - Flybe: BA's 15% Stake And The Future (by Concorde001 Nov 4 2006 in Civil Aviation) Your contrib
109 A340600 : I believe LHR will also be brought into line with this in the near future? They also now have the £50 upgrade where if there's seats available you c
110 AirbusA346 : Does anybody know what will happen to the MAN-FRA route, because my dad wants to know, due to him taking the route every month. Tom.
111 Trekster : That depends on what BE want to do with it. They may keep it, if not, he will have to transit via LON or with LH
112 VV701 : The only connection that I can think of thaqt will be disappearing is INV. Otherwqise my understanding is that all connections at both LHR and LGW wi
113 GayrugbyMAN : Anyone know the timetable for handover of BACon to flyBE? Start of the summer 2007 schedules?
114 Tcxdegsy : I think that's a blinkered attitude when you consider VS and BD's percentages of departures from LON versus other UK departure points is probably sim
115 GayrugbyMAN : Is the MAN - JFK doing as well as we all think? Only brought in 101 passengers this morning. Personally, I give it six months and then I bet we see AA
116 Egmcman : Whilst I wish BA Connect staff the best of luck. BA exec's feel that they have to reduce losses and prove to share holders that they are serious about
117 Planesarecool : Especially given that BA will have close to no connections through MAN soon, so pretty much all passengers would be originating or terminating in MAN
118 A340600 : There is only Club World on this service, no First as with all 767's. I'd guess it isn't all that good?
119 Candid76 : You'd never guess that this would turn into the usual North/South debate would you? Regular MAN posters vs. the few LHR supporters (most of which come
120 Post contains images Cornish : Excellent accurate post Candid76. Far better than the "football supporter" efforts coming from both sides. I like to see things from both sides - I l
121 Candid76 : Boeing markets the 787 as a hub buster. The 787 is two-three years away so let's wait and see. It's very tempting to say that the 787 is tailor made
122 Myt332 : Well when you think about the amount of 757 service we get going long haul nowadays. We've for the first time got a 2x CO daily service to EWR, the A
123 Cornish : Plans have been made, and sensibly so. But it is one of a series of options for future development of the airport - nothing is guaranteed, as the BA
124 Myt332 : Can't you see it coming full circle one day. The market is saturated with LCC's and along comes a full service carrier to stand out from the crowd, m
125 Post contains images Cornish : Indeed it does. Who knows what the consumer will want in the future. People try filling niches all the time hoping that they will prove to be the sta
126 Post contains images Myt332 : Is the Cornish pasty really that famous? Maybe you could offer package deals staying at Faulty Towers.
127 Post contains images Cornish : That's in manky old Devon, fool. You know, the hotel that Plymspotter's parents own and Pe@rson's dad works as barman and mother as a chambermaid. Co
128 Post contains images Myt332 : I don't think the F and J class clientele of SQ would really care much for a caravan park though. Still: Good luck!
129 Planesarecool : From both sides? How can you say that, and then back up what I've been saying all along? The only "football supporter efforts" are coming from those
130 Post contains images Trb10 : Cornwall better then Devon??? That's the best laugh I have had in ages
131 Boysteve : Well I seem to pick up mixed messages on the MAN-JFK flight. Firstly lets not forget that BA have recently refurbished the B767 on this flight, howev
132 GayrugbyMAN : There are certainly alot of transfer traffic on the flight every day when it arrives at MAN. Usually in the region of 20 passengers or so, mainly conn
133 Boysteve : But I thought that BE interlined with CO on their EWR route, will they do both or will that form part of the small print of the agreement. Anyway I t
134 Post contains images Myt332 : Simply because he is from the regions originally (Devon I understand) but now lives and works in London. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out doe
135 Post contains images Cornish : As you have just proved Because i hopefully talked through in a reasoned manner what the problems are for MAN, yet at the same time talked about wher
136 A340600 : This shows the balance in class traffic ex MAN vs ex LHR perfectly. Rubbish. LGW is also my local and I would never consider LHR to be. It's a nightm
137 Post contains images BAStew : Some Q & A's from David Evans (manager - BA Connect) to BA Connect staff: Q.When is the sale effective? It is hoped that the transaction will be compl
138 Candid76 : I think you may be overreacting here! The point being made is that Sussex is still relatively close to LHR (which is itself almost in neighbouring Su
139 Trekster : Umm, he knows how many are in F out of manchester.... none. I dont think he is overreacting at all. He is responding to ur post as anyone would
140 Candid76 : Which is irrelevant unless F is available, which it isn't. It wasn't my post he was responding to. I'm just adding a reasoned opinion.
141 Post contains images Myt332 : Well it is, sorry Sam. Whilst it may be a pain to get to at times it's still an airport you can use as your local. Coach, train or car, it's an easy
142 RyanairGuru : With all this, what's to happen to MAN T3 and BHX T2? These terminals were financed and built by BA for BA, and MAN T3 is still privately owned by BA
143 BA787 : Dunno whatll happen, maybe flybe ll move in to T3 it aint that big
144 GayrugbyMAN : I understand that T3 will be moving over to T3 to take over where BA Connect left off.
145 Boysteve : Well I expect little change. I expect that the Bacon routes will stay at T3 and gradually become Flybe routes. Remember also that T3 is/was BA & Dome
146 Post contains images MainMAN : T3 in Manchester is already the BA and BD terminal, so it will simply become the BA/BD/BE terminal. All the 'B's!   Together with WW, AA and AY etc.
147 GayrugbyMAN : Obviously meaning BE moving to T3!
148 Brymon : I cant see the 767 staying for more than a year if mainline cabin crew operate it, its likely to become loss making overnight!! The a/c will then be s
149 Post contains images BAStew : Nothing is decided on this matter yet. Another subsidiary company could be set up just to provide cabin crew to the MAN-JFK operation. Or, LHR crew c
150 Bennett123 : Are there any figures for staff at BA Connect with a breakdown by location.
151 Eurohub : My thoughts on this... Bearing in mind that I'm biased here, but T2 is far nicer than T1 at BHX. The former Eurohub probably suits the full-service c
152 Sam1987 : I think that's likely. What are the loads like on BA1502/1503? Could the route warrant a 777?
153 Acefreighter : I don't think that BA own either T2 at BHX or T3 at MAN - they just rent space in them.
154 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : We meet again BA787 ! It will work because they make 70% (or something like that) of their profit at LHR. The regional services just don't bring in th
155 David_itl : If the J class loads ex-MAN improved so that it could be warranted, they would move heaven and earth to put on a 777 on the route.
156 Wrighbrothers : Maybe, but don't forget they need to fill up World traveller, traveller plus and First class to warrent it also. BA won't pull a 777 from an India, U
157 Speedbirdcrew : They could put a 3 class on, so there is no first to fill of course.
158 Wrighbrothers : True, but then that limits the number of aircrafts they can use (because there are less 3 class 777's), and again means that LGW (or LHR if there are
159 BA787 : As usual I can rely on you to answer all my BA questions Alsitair. Ive come round to the idea of seeing more of flybe around at MAN, as long as we st
160 Sam1987 : Possibly true... but don't forget when BA Connect has disappeared, there will be no one to provide them the crew, so it might be easier to use LHR ba
161 Wrighbrothers : Or put the crew on a LHR-EWR route, stay at in New York, then fly JFK-MAN-JFK, and then again back EWR-LHR. Either that, or put a small L/H crew base
162 Post contains images BA787 : Thanks again Alistair. I think the big question is which will be dominant for BA, the loss on open skies, or the win? I suppose time will tell
163 BAStew : Not really. We've got all sorts of weird crew rotations already, especially where the new york routes are concerned. We don't always stick together a
164 BMED : I wouldn't like to be crew there though, operating the same route all the time.
165 Post contains images Skidmarks : Just an update on the takeover. We have been told that Flybe have no intention of keeping the Isle of Man base open and therefore, other than the sele
166 Sam1987 : True. But I've heard of cabin crew that do the same route all the time. For example, recently, Airbus BD crews based at LBA only do the shuttle route
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