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British Airways @ Heathrow T3 Why Not Also At T2?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1251 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4811 times:

British Airways operate the Heathrow - Miami route out of Terminal 3, so they have a presence in the majority of the airport. But if this is the case, why do they not operate any flights out of Terminal 2?

[Edited 2006-11-03 13:58:37]

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User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4790 times:

Why on earth would they want to use T2 as well?

Miami was moved to T3 because there were many transfer passengers from Europe missing the connection due to having to get to T4, and presumably lack of space at T1 for a 744.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8491 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4765 times:
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Being from Florida I have never understood the orphan that are the BA Miami flights. Years ago before T4 all BA 747 flights were through T3, except Miami who was then a Terminal 1. Why can't a flight to some random part of the world BA has limited operations to go from T3, like Barbados where most passenger are from London.

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Why can't a flight to some random part of the world BA has limited operations to go from T3, like Barbados where most passenger are from London.

Because Barbados is operated from LGW, not LHR...

BA operate a flight from T3 because it gives them voting rights on how that terminal is used and allows them to be an influence in any changes that are made in the future. They most likely retain this because VS are based in T3.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1488 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4709 times:

In the dim and distant past at LHR, it was broadly

Terminal One : European and British Isles flights, by British European Airways
(EI and a very few other UK carriers also)

Terminal Two: European Services, in the main, by European Carriers.

Terminal Three: Intercontinental flights by BOAC, amongst others.

Terminal Four: Did not exist then.

Thus BA (BEA & BOAC) were at One and Three and not Two.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 4):

Thus BA (BEA & BOAC) were at One and Three and not Two

But before Terminal 1 opened, BEA used Terminal Two, so BA (BEA & BOAC) has been in all terminals at some point.

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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

I also heard it was because of VS and we can keep an eye on them lol

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8491 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4535 times:
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While for years T1 was BA Europe, T2 was other European airlines & T3 was all the intercontinental airlines. When T4 opened in 1987 that changed everything, BA's 747 flights were mostly from T4 but KLM was there too. SAA & El Al moved to T1 as to be away from the other african airlines and because of the pesky Palestinian problem. SAS moved to T3 since it had a huge number of flights to Scandanavia from T2. Now even BA has 747 flights at T1 & more European flights from T4, why I don't know and can't figure out why. LJHR is just one big mess sometimes.

User currently offlineSteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Now even BA has 747 flights at T1 & more European flights from T4

It's to make transfers easier. The long hauls from T1 have more than the average connecting passengers from within Europe and ditto the short hauls going into T4



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 1):
Miami was moved to T3 because there were many transfer passengers from Europe missing the connection due to having to get to T4, and presumably lack of space at T1 for a 744.

No, because BA would only want to connect people on their own flights, so unless you expect people to connect from Miami through LHR to Miami it wouldn't be that. I think what you are thinking of is when the LAX, SFO, JNB, NRT and HKG flights were moved to T1 in return for various European flights that went from T1 to T4. This was done to increase ease on connecting flights. Although the Miami flights are currently the only flights from T3, before 9/11, when BA had a LGW-MIA flight and only one daily LHR-MIA flight, BA also operated their LHR-CPT flight from T3

Though it wasn't that long ago that BA flew from T2...although it was only a codeshare with Crossair  Smile


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting Star_world (Reply 3):
BA operate a flight from T3 because it gives them voting rights on how that terminal is used and allows them to be an influence in any changes that are made in the future

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They also get to retain gate slots there too, and now the new Terminal plans are known, once all the swapping around happens, they will also be using T3 for a few more flights as it will be the nearest terminal to T5 making connections shorter.

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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3257 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Not so long ago BA flew services to LOS from T3 as well. It was said that part of the reason for those services being there was to ensure the adequate lounge facilities for the many front-end passengers on both those services along with the need to keep a foothold in the terminal used by its largest home-grown rival.

Indeed, the only T2 service BA had in recent years was the codeshared flight to BSL.

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User currently offlineSapphireLHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 10):
They also get to retain gate slots there too, and now the new Terminal plans are known, once all the swapping around happens, they will also be using T3 for a few more flights as it will be the nearest terminal to T5 making connections shorter.

Correct, and once T5 is operational and with T3 is occupied by One World Alliance Partners, I have been reliably informed, those Miami slots will be utilised by Qantas.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8491 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4124 times:
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I find it hard to believe the LAX & SFO flights are at T1. How different can their connection tarffic be then the rest of BA's USA routes ?

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11953 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
I find it hard to believe the LAX & SFO flights are at T1.

Believe it. They are, and both have been for months.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
I find it hard to believe the LAX & SFO flights are at T1. How different can their connection tarffic be then the rest of BA's USA routes ?

And also Hong Kong, Jo'burg and Tokyo of the long haul routes IIRC.


But yes as mentioned by one or two posters above - the reason for the T3 MIA service is predominantly to do with voting rights at the key terminal for the majority of their long haul rivals.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7736 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
How different can their connection tarffic be then the rest of BA's USA routes ?

It can be very different when they fill what would, on selected days of the week, be otherwise empty economy class seats with 'special' low price offers made through selected European travel agents or through local direct advertising. The advantage of this type of operation is that it can enable the airline to offer more premium class seats on selected routes while filling economy class seats and not diluting its economy class revenue on every day of the week. It can also vary the number of seats sold this way literally from day to day thus maximising revenue and profit.

An extreme example of this practice is the annual BA 'Dreamflight' to MCO for seriously ill and handicapped children. This year the (20th) Dreamflight flew LHR-MCO on 15 October. BA filled the return flight that departed MCO just after midnight on 16 October with one week excursion return flights offered locally in the Orlando area. All the passengers booking at the low, low fares had to return to the US on the aircraft that went to pick up the children just over a week later. In that way everyone gained and no one was disappointed.


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