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What Are Finnair's Cities In The US?  
User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8115 times:

What are Finnair's current gateways to the US?. Any plans to expand?.


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3830 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

No offense, but it took me 4 clicks to get to their route map on their web site, probably much less than starting a thread on A.net.

Sorry, can't link to that, it's session ID, but you'll find it easily www.finnair.com > destinations

[Edited 2006-11-03 19:22:08]


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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
No offense, but it took me 4 clicks to get to their route map on their web site, probably much less than starting a thread on A.net.

No offense taken. I wanted to find out more about the plans for expansion. No offense, but read the rest of the posting.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8095 times:
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JFK daily and in the winter sunny Miami. I never have understood there HUGE Asian map but small North American map ?

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8101 times:

Straight from their website:

http://www.finnair.com/web/finnair/s...fondgln.0&pageid=-13706&zone=world

NYC for scheduled flights



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3181 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8042 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
JFK daily and in the winter sunny Miami. I never have understood there HUGE Asian map but small North American map ?

Finnair carries a lot of connecting passengers, flying Europe-Asia via Helsinki. HEL has a perfect location for a hub between Europe and Asia, so they have a good competitive advantage to be a serious player in the Europe-Asia market.

On the other hand, they do not fulfill this role for the Europe-North america market, as it will require a lot of backtracking. Therefore, the North America flights are running on local demand and some connecting pax from the Baltics or Russia, but that's about it. Therefore, only flights to the most obvious destinations.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

New York City year-round, Boston in the summer, Miami in the winter, but Miami will not be served for this winter timetable.


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
but Miami will not be served for this winter timetable.

They won't be serving them even via Halifax this year? Why the sudden change.

Boston is flown via Stockholm, orginally NYO but they switched to ARN.


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7892 times:

Not in the U.S., but Toronto has been served. Charter? Summer only?


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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7850 times:

I wonder if IAD would be profitable for them. Specially with the Asia connections.


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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7824 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 8):
Not in the U.S., but Toronto has been served. Charter? Summer only?

AY serves YYZ with their B757s only in the Summer months.

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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 8):

Yup, I remember that too. It was with a 757, though I don't know if it was nonstop or via Stockholm or Oslo.


User currently offlineWingedarrow From Italy, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
I never have understood there HUGE Asian map but small North American map ?

Having visited Finland more than once, I had the impression they don't find the US very attractive, but this is just an impression of mine, I don't want anybody to get offended. So they just concentrate on a different market, like the asian one, that is more profitable for their economy and where there's more room for them. I know Finnair follows Nokia closely and Nokia, which is maybe one of the most widely known Finnish brands in the world, has more relations with asian countries than it has with the US.



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 7):
Boston is flown via Stockholm, orginally NYO but they switched to ARN

About time...! MAN, that routing via Skavsta was STRANGE!! Never got it.. Btw YYZ and BOS - as previously mentioned in this thread - are served by 757's, but not only that, these a/c are in high-density Y216 config for a 752. Obviously, AY is targeting the O and D leisure market with these flights; keeping them fairly seperate from their other intercon IIRC.

Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 9):
I wonder if IAD would be profitable for them. Specially with the Asia connections.

AY's JFK service is not really there to support the Asian network; rather it's there to offer connections to the US via JFK (on AA) and of course JFK itself (if AY didn't do it, CO or AA would). You can also see this from the timings of the US flights, that don't match the bank of Asian flights in the afternoon. So, basically an IAD service should "stand on its own" for a large part, and that's not viable, also considering that pax it would cannibalize from JFK-HEL.

Quoting Wingedarrow (Reply 12):
I know Finnair follows Nokia closely and Nokia, which is maybe one of the most widely known Finnish brands in the world, has more relations with asian countries than it has with the US.

But as pointed out in another AY-related thread out there, AY doesn't make it's schedule according to whatever Nokia is doing! Nokia IS by far the most valuable Finnish brand, and no doubt a major AY customer and supporter of Asian routes - but still, despite of the size you don't see Nokia booking half of every MD11. AY's main customers for their long-haul also don't originate in HEL, but in Europe or Asia.

So much talk about AY here, wanna try them and their MD11's!!!  Wink

Kevin777



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User currently offlineWingedarrow From Italy, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7436 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 13):
AY doesn't make it's schedule according to whatever Nokia is doing!

I wouldn't be so sure... I'm only kidding, of course, mine was just an example to explain the Finnish interest to the east side of the world, they wouldn't keep on opening new routes in Asia if they weren't more than sure to be supported by the country's more important companies.

Anyway, as you said, Finnair customers are European and Asian mainly and they're happy with this, because they're siding the growth of two of the most important markets in the world - China and India - so that's only obvious if they don't care about the already inflated and swinging US market.

I never flew their MD11s, but the service they offer on the A320 family is one of the best in the world!!! Hyvaa matkaa!!!



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

AY previously served FLL and also SFO with MD-11 aircraft.


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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 15):
AY previously served FLL and also SFO with MD-11 aircraft.

FLL was only a charter destination. SFO, however, was scheduled just like LAX and SEA were.



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User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Did they fly to RSW at some point or is that just my imagination?


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6877 times:
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Finnair's Intercontinental ops are with an Asian heart. Their MD-11's know Narita and Bangkok like second homes. China is big too.

User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 7):
Boston

what a/c?



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6770 times:

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 19):
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 7):
Boston

what a/c?

With a high-density 752.... Y216 IIRC....  ill 

Kevin777



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
Finnair's Intercontinental ops are with an Asian heart. Their MD-11's know Narita and Bangkok like second homes. China is big too.

Even though BKK is twice daily, it's the only scheduled destination in Thailand (HKT is a charter route). China is the by far the biggest destination (coutry-wise) for AY: PEK, PVG, CAN & HKG. In the summer schedule, on some days, all of these four Chinese flights leave HEL within 60 minutes!

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 20):
With a high-density 752.... Y216 IIRC....

Exactly, since it's a charter route, not a scheduled destination.



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 21):
PEK, PVG, CAN & HKG. In the summer schedule, on some days, all of these four Chinese flights leave HEL within 60 minutes!

That is just so cool!!!

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 21):
Exactly, since it's a charter route, not a scheduled destination.

Yep. Never really got that route though - unsched to Boston via Stockholm (ARN) (and first NYO?!?!?). Is there some special relations between Finland/Sweden and Boston or?? Is the traffic maybe siginificantly originating in BOS or..?? What I am missing..???!!

Kevin777



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 22):
Yep. Never really got that route though - unsched to Boston via Stockholm (ARN) (and first NYO?!?!?). Is there some special relations between Finland/Sweden and Boston or?? Is the traffic maybe siginificantly originating in BOS or..?? What I am missing..???!!

I don't really get it either. But I guess it's just due to the fact that Europe-USA/Canada traffic is very high in the summer...



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User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

I've taken the AY JFK-HEL service quite often. Before the new J seats were installed, Finnair reminded me of the old Swissair. First rate service, seats were OK but not stunning, IFE was very good. Of course they've upgraded the seats since I last flew them.

My understanding from several execs at AY, JFK is mainly a political route. Meaning, they want to keep a presence in American and New York is the only logical city. Although the big Nokia offices in the US are in Dallas. The route is break even at best, however the freight traffic makes the flight more palatable. They do carry quite a bit of Baltic and Russian traffic on the flights. I even remember the cabin crew informing the passengers in Russian and English on push back from JFK that "duty free alcohol" was not to be consumed in flight. Quite funny.

Asia is an extremely logical growth strategy for them. The flights to India may even make the JFK flight more promising since transiting FRA or HEL is not much difference. SK has always been the neighboring menace, but AY has carved out a very nice niche market for themselves. Coupled with great service and reliability, they are a first class carrier.


25 Kevin777 : Well if you read reply 13: Kevin777
26 Cedarjet : The daily flight to Kennedy does pretty well actually - those MD11s go out full every single day (and that's a lot of seats - Finnair pack em in ten a
27 Airzim : So funny when people are so sure of themselves. First off, I was speculating. Secondly, the India flights time very nicely with the US inbound (arriv
28 Post contains images Kevin777 : Eh.... sorry if you took my comment as offensive, I was merely asking you to reflect on the comments already made on the subject along with posting y
29 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : JFK definitely NOT a political route. AY is a stock market company, not state-controlled. Pax yield is, of course, not high, but cargo is 100 % full
30 FFlyer : What do you mean? The government owns the majority, so they have the control! It has also been a long-time tradition in Finland to appoint politician
31 MCOflyer : Is AY not serving MIA b/c of the NRT 757 flight? MCOflyer
32 UpperDeck79 : Are you saying that the shareholders vote on where Finnair should or should not fly?
33 Post contains images Kevin777 : The 757 to NRT was never really meant to happen.. it was only scheduled for some technical reason because the 343 weren't ready yet (IIRC). There's a
34 Lufthansa747 : Y227 NRT is 4pw 343
35 FFlyer : I only referred to your "stock market company - not state controlled" comment. If somebody owns a majority of the stock, he has the control. That is
36 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Correct, I assume. And all Finns vote on who runs the country. So, in a way, the Finns also decide about the routing.
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