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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6551 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

You guys will have to suspend disbelief for this thread to work. Just pretend these were taken in 1991, not yesterday.

I have always though that the Boeing 727 never looked better in the bold Pan Am livery. And even though the aircraft featured is in no way related to the original Pan Am (appears to be an ex-UA bird judging from the interior), seeing that Pan Am livery still gives me the shivers. I can still see PA579 pushing back from gate B-7 bound for JFK....or PA725, bound for MIA....the memories live on....

I never got the chance to have my picture taken to an original PA bird...this will have to do.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Nolaguy79/IMG_0950_1.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Nolaguy79/IMG_0953.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/Nolaguy79/IMG_0956.jpg



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User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

It is a very cool looking jet, too bad it has to be operated by such a shady company. I always liked the look of three-engine jets like the 727 and L-1011.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
You guys will have to suspend disbelief for this thread to work. Just pretend these were taken in 1991, not yesterday.

By 1991, the real Pan Am was at death's doorstep. In fact, by the time the final billboard livery was unveiled (1984-85) Pan Am was, sadly, terminally ill.

When the subject of Pan Am 727s is mentioned, my mind turns to happier, healthier times for Pan Am, which was also at a time when the 727 was very much a state-of-the-art airliner, of which Pan Am had a surprisingly large number considering that they were known primarily as a longhaul operator of long range types.
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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

In a thread like this, I don't think you should omit the sad PA accident at MSY, in ... '82 or so, I believe. But if we can find a silver lining, it demonstrated the danger of windshear, which is a problem that's largely been corrected today.

Thanks for posting pictures of a beautiful airliner in a beautiful livery.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

How about Pan Am 759. I'm sure that brings back the memories.....


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User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

back in the early 1980s Pan Am had 727 service between CLE and JFK and MIA. i got to ride in one MIA-CLE-MIA. it arrived MIA at night and it was quite a site to pull into a gate at MIA and be surrounded by PA 747's!

here's a photo of one parked on the A concourse at CLE:
http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displ...image.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=7



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Great plane, great airline... shame both are now dead for all intents and purposes  Sad


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6551 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 4):
How about Pan Am 759. I'm sure that brings back the memories.....

Indeed it does. My uncle was one of the police chief's who worked the crash sight. I heard quite a few few stories about that as I got older, none of them very pleasant.


User currently offlineAFC_ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

The 727s did look very good with the Pan Am Billboard livery. Shame they're gone. I remember seeing them at JFK, beautiful planes and a livery that looked good on the whole fleet.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Steve, I'm glad you got a chance to run down and see it here.....I was surprised to see it here for three days running, though that might unfortunately be indicative of how things are going at PA.

Btw, that 727 is indeed ex-UA.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

How many B727's did PanAm have before taking over National? Totally agree that the 72 never looked better than with the PanAm logo, but then it is still a design from heaven.


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User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 5):
here's a photo of one parked on the A concourse at CLE:
http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displ...pos=7

oops...looks like that link isnt pointing to the PA 727 anymore.

i think this one should work:
http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-397

sorry bout that



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Great shots. Brought back memories of Pan Am 727s in Berlin, Frankfurt, Heathrow as well as many places in the States.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Another Pan Am 727 memory from the late 1980s until their demise was my (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) extrapolation that, given the rate at which Pan Am was picking up secondhand 727-200s, one day in the not-too-distant future, all of the airworthy passenger 727s in the entire world would be flying in Pan Am colors. A bit exaggerated, no doubt, but nonetheless a reflection on Pan Am's secondhand 727-200 shopping spree that took place in the 1980s, prompted by expansion of their network of connecting flights within the U.S. to/from their JFK and MIA international gateways as well as the launch of the Pan Am Shuttle in the LGA-BOS/DCA corridor.

User currently onlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1790 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4745 times:

Quoting Chrisjake (Reply 11):
think this one should work:
http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-397

sorry bout that

you've mentioned that the aircraft was the same one seized in Zimbabwe , in 2002. Any idea where the aircraft is now?



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
one day in the not-too-distant future, all of the airworthy passenger 727s in the entire world would be flying in Pan Am colors

I thought Pan Am picked up many 727's in the National merger and slowly sold them off or put them out to pasture. I don't recall ever reading about PA being on an aircraft acquisition binge, except when they were replacing the 747's with A310's.



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User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 14):
you've mentioned that the aircraft was the same one seized in Zimbabwe , in 2002. Any idea where the aircraft is now?

i dont know. last i heard it was seized with mercenaries and cargo of "military material".

the reg is now listed as deregistered.



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User currently offlineAAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Especially when Acker was broomed and Plaskett was brought in, and the business plan was shifted to emphasize Miami (which should have been done in 1980), PAA did indeed acquire a lot of used 727s. But rewinding to 1980 and 1981, I can remember clearly taking a shuttle bug from SEA-TAC to downtown Seattle, looking over at Boeing Field, and seeing three brand new 727-200s with the original blue stripe Pan Am colors ready for delivery to Pan Am. At that time, they had acquired the National birds but still had orders at Boeing for newer 727s that were to be used in the Latin American Division, and subsequently were. My old JP Fleet books from the time are interesting, as you see the old pre-NAL Pan Am 727-100s with original PAA registrations, then the National mix of 100s and 200s with their N4700, et. al. numbers.

During the early and mid 1980s, as Acker conceived routes on the fly and just as quickly dropped them all over the domestic map (maybe a hangover from his Braniff and Air Florida mentality), the 727-100s of PAA and NAL vintage dropped out of the fleet until they were almost exclusively flying the Acker "Air Bridge" from TPA and MCO into MIA on an hourly basis. At the same time, he picked up the used 737-200s from his frau's friend's leasing company (don't ask) to use on the IGS (German) routes and, then, returned them to Miami for short haul routes there and, incredibly, LAX to SFO (the ex-Air Florida and French dinosaurs ... great interiors ... ugh!)

Once sane planners got their hands back on the system, and the one Acker move that made money, the LGA-BOS-DCA shuttle was online and working, the company grabbed ex-Deutsche Lufthansa 727s for the shuttle, which were actually well maintained (naturally) aircraft. On top of that, a number of ex-Braniff 200s were available and leased, along with quite a few ex-Eastern 200s. The 727 fleet doubled in size and it was interesting to catalog all the new reg. numbers appearing which ended in "E" (ex-EAL) or had new PAA regs (ex-BN) that were in the N300PA series. The ex-DLH ships had regs that ended in "UM" (N877UM, etc.). Our occasional trips into JFK and MIA in silverbirds were always interesting when one would sit waiting for departure behind a zillion PAA 727s all wearing that billboard livery.

So, yes, there were a lot of latter-day PAA 727s running around from 1987 or so until the end. Which also reminds me, having moved back to Miami by then, of taxiing out on winter days to the then 27-Right and seeing, first, the EAL demise and all their ships lined up on the north side of the field, crammed around their hangars (which have now been torn down for the new runway) but, then, a year or so later, the double shock of the billboard Pan Am 747s, A-busses and 727s crowded around the old NAL washing machine hangar and base on the south side of the runway. I can clearly recall waiting on a 767 to depart for SFO on flight 1539 one afternoon in January and seeing the 747 "China Clipper II" looking right at me just sitting there on the tarmac while we waited for clearance. It was very sad.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25098 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Brings back memories of a PA 727-100 flight Hamburg-Berlin Tempelhof in 1970 on one of my first nonrev trips to Europe after joining CP Air in Canada a few months earlier. They had to stay within narrow air corridors to/from Berlin or risk being shot down, and if not mistaken were restricted to a maximum altitude of around 10,000 ft. while in the Berlin corridors. Landing at historic Tempelhof Airport in the center of the city, where you could look into the windows of passing apartment buildings on final approach, was very memorable. Two THF photos from that period below.


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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 15):
I thought Pan Am picked up many 727's in the National merger and slowly sold them off or put them out to pasture. I don't recall ever reading about PA being on an aircraft acquisition binge

As for Pan Am 727-200s, Pan Am's took delivery of 10 new airframes from Boeing in 1979-80, and inherited 24 in their 1980 merger with National (in addition to 19 -100s).

During the 1980s, Pan Am acquired 17 additional 727-200s secondhand from other sources: 2 from Delta in 1983; 3 from PSA in 1984; 8 from PSA, as well as 4 from Lufthansa, in 1986.

It was an ironic sign of the times to me inasmuch as several leading airlines had begun the process of replacing their 727s (including -200s) with newer, more efficient types while, at the same time, Pan Am, once known for launching new airliner types, was turning to the past for expanding its short- to medium haul fleet. Hence my tongue-in-cheek extrapolation that, had Pan Am survived, they may have gained the distinction of operating all of the remaining airworthy passenger 727-200s in the entire world.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 19):
During the 1980s, Pan Am acquired 17 additional 727-200s secondhand from other sources: 2 from Delta in 1983; 3 from PSA in 1984; 8 from PSA, as well as 4 from Lufthansa, in 1986

Correction (discovered too late to edit): "8 from PSA" should be 8 from People Express; the 8 727-227s Pan Am picked up from People Express in 1986 had been originally ordered by Braniff, as indicated by the -227 designator assigned to Braniff by Boeing.


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