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User currently offlineDelta Fly Boy From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 242 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

OK... if ANYONE can help me...

I have been driving myself crazy trying to figure out how to tell the difference between the 767-300 and the 767-300ER by the exterior, (especially on Delta). Is there any feature or features that distinguish these two aircraft?? If anyone can help.. : )

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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Does it not say near the back of the a/c whether it is a -300 or -300ER? Otherwise i dont think there is an external difference.


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User currently offlineDelta fly boy From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

I know on Delta they do not have it anywhere on the a/c. yet I always see on this site, some say 767-300, and some 767-300ER, but I can't see any difference!

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

There is no obvious visual difference. Delta's -300ERs may have different engines (they have both Pratt and GE on their 767s).




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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

As far as I know, from the exterior, the only clue is the registration number and then checking a fleet list. Being that DL was PW and GE powers 300s and 300ERs, that also does not help. The only planes that are obviously ERs are the several acquired from GulF Air a few years ago, they have a mid-cabin door.

User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

There are no external differences between these two aircraft. Aircraft painted in the old old livery say "Boeing 767" in the rear of the aircraft but it does not specify which variant (-300 or -300ER).

User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

I remember this question came up before and I say what I have said before; the only way I usually distinguish between an -ER and a non-ER is by the acronym ETOPS on the nose-gear doors. Here are some examples...
136DL is a B767-332 (non-ER), still in old colors ...

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Photo © Fernando Perez


128DL is also a B767-332 (non-ER), in new colors (bad quality image, but no ETOPS acronym)

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Photo © Fernando Perez


180DN is a B767-332ER, here still in old colors and "ETOPS" on gear-door...

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Photo © AirNikon


190DN is also a B767-332ER, shown here in new colors, including the word "ETOPS" on the door...

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Photo © Søren Geertsen


I rest my case.
Boeing727


User currently offlineDFW-JETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1268 times:

I think there is a way to tell the difference between a DL 767-332 and a 767-332ER. This is what i have noticed about 2 planes.
On the 767-332s the forward cargo door is the regular smaller size, on the 767-332ER the forward cargo door is the larger wider door so it can fit the large cargo pallets and freight flats that are used on Intl flights. Most of this heavy cargo is loaded up front and needs the bigger door. This is how I can tell them apart, now im not 100% sure this applies to all DL 767-332s, but a DL mechanic told my this, and Ive seen it at various airports as well. All of AA 767-323s have the bigger forward doors.


User currently offlineDelta fly boy From Japan, joined Oct 2000, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Well, thanx guys for all your help...

About the foward cargo door being bigger, that's a great help, also the one about ETOPS written on the nose gear door. BUT, I was looking at pics of the two aircrafts, 767-332 and 332ER, and I noticed a diferent window pattern... I was wondering if this was distinct between the ER and non ER planes. But it seems that one one, there is a bigger gap where there are no windows right infront of the wing. just a thought...


User currently offlineFanoftristars From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Delta Fly Boy, I have also noticed this. I think it is for an added galley, but it is only on one side of the A/C. Check out this seat map of a -300ER

http://www.delta.com/travel/maps_guides/aircraft/b-767-300r/index.jsp

Then check out the -200

http://www.delta.com/travel/maps_guides/aircraft/b-767-300/index.jsp



"FLY DELTA JETS"
User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

Roughly N116-140DL/DE/DN/LL/A are 767-300s
N171DN/DL+ are 767-300ERs, but that is from a kind of dated book.

~N960AS


User currently offlineTarantine From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

If you can see the difference, here it is, all of delta's 767-300's have GE CF6-80's and the 300ER's have only PW4060 engines (or it was in my last edition of JP worlds fleets that I have). I can see the difference, but it is not easy unless they are close. So this probably will be help to no one. Last note, some ER's with the old paint schemes have a US flag on the top of the fin, but it is not on the several new paint schemes that delta has now.

RT


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

As just mentioned a U.S. flag on the top of the vertical stabilizer on an a/c with the old paint is a dead giveaway between a -300er and a 300. Also, there is a large round antenna on the top of the a/c 2/3 of the way back on an ER. There is also a missing series of windows on both sides of the aircraft just forward of the window exits. The former Gulf Air and Asiana aircraft that DL acquired have 6 doors and 2 overwing exits as oppposed to the 4 doors and 4 window exits on the rest of the fleet. These a/c are ER's. Also, all of the subsequent 767-300 deliveries for DL will be ER's in either domestic or Int'l configuration.

User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

DL flies 767-300ER's with both the PW and GE powerplants.

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