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Garuda Plans To Close All Int'l Flight From Bali  
User currently offlinePalladium From Indonesia, joined Apr 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9552 times:

I just read on the local newspaper, it said that starting in March 2007, Garuda Indonesia will close and stop all of their international flights to/from Bali.

Yes, that means there will be no more Garuda flights from Australia directly to Bali.

The garuda vice president of sales executive said that this will help garuda to cut their cost and save money.

After March 2007, every passenger who wants to travel with Garuda to Bali must go via Jakarta.

To me:
This will bring down the number of tourists coming from Australia to Bali. It'll be ridiculous if you have to go to Jakarta first in order to get to Bali from Australia. Perhaps a chance for Qantas to add more direct flights to bali from Australia.

any comments?

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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5174 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

Quoting Palladium (Thread starter):
This will bring down the number of tourists coming from Australia to Bali. It'll be ridiculous if you have to go to Jakarta first in order to get to Bali from Australia. Perhaps a chance for Qantas to add more direct flights to bali from Australia

I'd expcet Jetstar to pick up the slack (If needed)


User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9549 times:

Well Qantas and Jetstar would win big if that is the case.

For Garuda's sake, I hope they re-think their strategy.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9515 times:

There are issues pertaining to the future of the A333 fleet with Garuda. It is possible that the airline will not be able to hold on to this aircraft, and that Garuda will find itself with just 3 widebody aircraft. A number of destinations already got the axe or are about to get the axe, including Beijing, Adelaide, Auckland and Fukuoka, and more cutbacks are on the way. A number of B737s are also set to leave the active fleet and as Garuda cannot immediately find or pay for replacement aircraft drastic cutbacks have to be made.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6768 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Looks like the "lease recycling" has come at a bad time then... And unlikely that GA can find those 767s for a good price, I heard one went a few months ago in Europe for about 400k a month... while GA in the past was obliged to pay around 500k a month for each A333, but that amount is set to increase from the end of next month... Looks like Garuda's up for a big one again!  Sad

Mandala499



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User currently offlineEasyholiday From Indonesia, joined Jan 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9288 times:

Garuda axed their Beijing flight as of today. My dad's friend just called, he is now stranded in Beijing.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9267 times:

Quoting Easyholiday (Reply 5):
Garuda axed their Beijing flight as of today. My dad's friend just called, he is now stranded in Beijing.

The cancelation of the Beijing services was decided almost three months ago, so it is kind of surprising that someone would be left stranded in PEK. Alternative arrangements have long been made for ticket holders on the route and range from accommodation on GA's Shanghai/Canton/Hongkong services to rebooking on MH. This was NOT an overnight decision.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9081 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
A number of destinations already got the axe or are about to get the axe, including Beijing, Adelaide, Auckland and Fukuoka

Auckland is getting the axe? Since when has this been announced? I thought the AKL service was just breaking even and that they didn't want to leave AKL because they would have to give up their landing slots as they think AKL will recover in the next couple of years.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
There are issues pertaining to the future of the A333 fleet with Garuda.

Well the fact of the matter is they need aircraft for AMS and maybe another european route. The 333 is ideal for this. Can the 738's make it to SYD, BNE e.t.c?

Very sad news indeed.


User currently offlineEasyHoliday From Indonesia, joined Jan 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
The cancelation of the Beijing services was decided almost three months ago, so it is kind of surprising that someone would be left stranded in PEK. Alternative arrangements have long been made for ticket holders on the route and range from accommodation on GA's Shanghai/Canton/Hongkong services to rebooking on MH. This was NOT an overnight decision.

It's not suprising that people got stranded. The answer is because GA don't have the courtesy to inform the travel agency and travelling public before hand.
My friend own a travel agency here, and I have another at least 3 friends who are working for different big travel agency, none of them got any fax or email or letter from GA telling them when not to sell anymore seats to Beijing. Now they have lots of complains from departing and stranded returning pax.


User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8855 times:

What about Japan ?? Could good news for CO's GUM-DPS, not doing so well

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8817 times:
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Quoting COSPN (Reply 9):
Could good news for CO's GUM-DPS, not doing so well

Yes, CO would be able to connect PAX from these flights to the routes to Japan and Taiwan with little competition. How often do CO fly into DPS and what aircraft do they use?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5297 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Auckland is getting the axe? Since when has this been announced? I thought the AKL service was just breaking even and that they didn't want to leave AKL because they would have to give up their landing slots as they think AKL will recover in the next couple of years.

This was announced several weeks ago. Loads out of AKL are pretty average most of the time. Last flight is on November 18th.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Well the fact of the matter is they need aircraft for AMS and maybe another european route. The 333 is ideal for this. Can the 738's make it to SYD, BNE e.t.c?

They don't fly to AMS anymore, though there have been rumours of a return I can't see it now atleast in the near future. The 333 wouldn't make it anyway not even 1 stop. I doubt the 738's can make SYD, BNE from CGK.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

I tried to take CO once to DPS, not daily though and its a 737-800 by AirMike


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8730 times:
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Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
A number of destinations already got the axe or are about to get the axe, including Beijing, Adelaide, Auckland and Fukuoka

Auckland is getting the axe? Since when has this been announced? I thought the AKL service was just breaking even and that they didn't want to leave AKL because they would have to give up their landing slots as they think AKL will recover in the next couple of years.

Yikes, this was announced weeks ago, there was a thread on here also about it.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8577 times:

This is the begging of the end

BUT a lot of serious travellers gave up on GA a long time ago anyway, and after the bali bombings a lot of ppl started holidaying in thailand insteand. I wouldn't be surprised to see SOME jetstar flights but don't expect anything like the frequencies GA used to put there. I think the demand is simply far greater from thailand now.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Is the decision based on lack of passenger traffic, perceived safety issues deterring travelers to Bali, or the failing economics of the airline??

How is travel to Bali since the various terror attacks?

I flew to Bali one week after the first terror attacks. I flew Cathay. The 747 from LAX to HNG had only 67 passengers -- I counted those of us in the departure lounge. Most were business class. I had the entire back of the 747 to myself. An amazing experience. The 777 from HNK to DPS had only 37 passengers. Painful for the airline, but an experience for me.

Loved the trip, the island was empty and i was treated like a rock star for coming.

Would go again in a heartbeat.


User currently offlineAustralia1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Well the fact of the matter is they need aircraft for AMS and maybe another european route. The 333 is ideal for this. Can the 738's make it to SYD, BNE e.t.c?

I think a 738 could operate DPS/BNE/DPS with a full load. Pax luggage might have to be restricted BNE/DPS, but we probably talking pax carrying very little, ie. board shorts/bikini, few t-shirts & pair of jeans !!!

If 738 could operate DPS/BNE then it could also operate BNE/AKL, (preserving their links to NZ) & other NZ ports.

Hell, we'd charter it across the Tasman if we could (not to AKL but to South Island) if they flew a 738 into BNE !!! Their crew costs would surely be a fraction of DJ, NZ, QF etc., so presumeably, charter prices would be good.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

Quoting EasyHoliday (Reply 8):
My friend own a travel agency here, and I have another at least 3 friends who are working for different big travel agency, none of them got any fax or email or letter from GA telling them when not to sell anymore seats to Beijing. Now they have lots of complains from departing and stranded returning pax.

The CGK-SIN-PEK flights have not been bookable ever since it was decided to stop the route, so what you say is simply not possible. The route was cancelled over two months ago, and at that time it was decided that it would continue until and including the first week of the northern winter schedule to allow for the increased travel during the end of ramadhan holiday week. From the moment decision was taken to cancel the flight, it was immediately lifted out of the reservation systems and it was impossible to still sell tickets for these flights. Passengers already booked and ticketed on the suspended flights were contacted individually by the airline inasfar as accurate contact details were available.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Well the fact of the matter is they need aircraft for AMS and maybe another european route.

Don't hold your breath for the resumption of Amsterdam services! The airline currently has other fish to fry. As I said before, the very future of the A333s in Garuda's fleet is in jeopardy and it is entirely possible that some, if not all of these frames will not stay in Garuda's active fleet.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Can the 738's make it to SYD, BNE e.t.c?

I guess they could make it, but what's the use with just two frames in the fleet, both of which are thoroughly used. Let's not even mention the abysmal one-class configuration in which these planes are operating.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
They don't fly to AMS anymore, though there have been rumours of a return I can't see it now atleast in the near future. The 333 wouldn't make it anyway not even 1 stop.

The A333 could perfectly fly to Amsterdam with one stop somewhere in the Middle East. As a matter of fact, Garuda has previously considered resuming AMS operations with A333 via AUH, but abolished the plan, amongst others because of the presence of Etihad, with its far superior product, on the CGK AUH route.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 15):
I wouldn't be surprised to see SOME jetstar flights but don't expect anything like the frequencies GA used to put there. I think the demand is simply far greater from thailand now.

That is so true! Yields on just about every international route out of DPS are disastrous, and even the likes of CX and SQ are not exactly making money on their Bali operations. As such, the revival of Air Paradise is doubtful to say the least.


User currently offlineAustralia1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 19):
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Can the 738's make it to SYD, BNE e.t.c?

I guess they could make it, but what's the use with just two frames in the fleet, both of which are thoroughly used. Let's not even mention the abysmal one-class configuration in which these planes are operating.

For flights to DPS, high density Y class is what is required, foer this leisure route !!!


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 20):
For flights to DPS, high density Y class is what is required, foer this leisure route !!!

I don't think many passengers would be enchanted to get stuck in a B738 in charter configuration for their 6+ hours SYD DPS trip with a seat pitch in the 29" range...


User currently offlineAustralia1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
I don't think many passengers would be enchanted to get stuck in a B738 in charter configuration for their 6+ hours SYD DPS trip with a seat pitch in the 29" range...

I disagree, the most important thing to the majority of DPS bound pax is price.

Maximum seating in a 738 is 189 (I think DJ have 180 & seat pitch of apporx 30 inches is fine) & if GA can't produce a seat at lower cost than JQ, there is something seriously wrong at GA !!!

From Boeing website, can have 184 at 30 inches. (page 49) below

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/737sec2.pdf


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4749 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7540 times:

This will be a very drastic change in operations for ther airline. Most international traffic for Garuda goes though DPS before continuing to CGK. On a good day, international traffic for the airline out of CGK is only a trickle at best.

With the threat of the A330 leaving the fleet, I am sure the remaining 744s will be put to good use on some high density routes (off hand, I can only think of SIN and DPS during the festive seasons).

This is really bad for the airlne. And to think that they came out of the disasterous crisis of 98 much leaner, only to be drained away by the Bali bombings and SARS.

When is the A330 leaving the fleet?



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User currently offlineRazza74 From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7494 times:

Big blow for Bali,

Bali rieceives a great deal of it's tourists from Australia, many people I know go every year as it is cheaper than a holiday in Australia.

Current shedules show 9 flights a week PER - DPS with 738 equipment

It is going to be tough to fill the loss

Raza74



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25 HB-IWC : The passenger feed back from Garuda's daily B738 operated DPS PER flight seems to disagree with you. The problem with these two frames (PK-GEE and PK
26 Post contains images Malaysia : Well GA may eventually go out of business...... oh well. Like several airlines that have been around in Indonesia, but are gone or dying. I dont have
27 ThaiA345 : Well, I guess its not surprising it would come to this. However, may I make one point of GA's international fligths operating out of CGK instead of DP
28 Xkorpyoh : It is sad to hear this. I flew GA in Feb DPS-JOG-CGK and was very impressed with the service on those short flights. I made last minute changes and wa
29 Baroque : It used to be a real pain taking GA to Jakarta from Syd to have to stop in Bali. So I assume that going to Bali via CGK would be an even bigger pain.
30 HB-IWC : Garuda has never been large enough to run a dual hub operation and it is about time that the international operations are centralized in CGK, the airl
31 COSPN : CO Flight is 737-800 2x per week before JAL started Bali flights CO flew 757's 4 to 5 x per week it Connects with the Japan flights both ways
32 HB-IWC : ... and according to their countrmanager here in Jakarta, the service is not doing as well as the airline would want it to do.
33 ZKNBX : Yes and No re the above. Bali has proven itself to be very resilient, despite enormous difficulties. And there are alot of people who return to Bali
34 HB-IWC : Plenty, for the time being. Garuda's flights between DPS and KIX, NGO, ICN and PER and to a lesser extent SYD, MEL, BNE and even NRT are for a large
35 ZKNBX : Yes - I agree that the Japan flights will be a loss to Bali, but I still believe that other options will open up before too long, because of the uniq
36 COSPN : HB-IWC COrrect CO's DPS not doing so well but if they can pick up a few EX GA pax it will help, would be nice to get back to 3x a week
37 Viasa : Not Oceanair... it's Orenburg Airlines (Orenair) She would go to Sama Airlines.
38 HB-IWC : I don't doubt for a moment that you are right. I, however, was reading the information from a Garuda memo. Not even that they can do right.
39 Ryanair!!! : Hi there... is there a link to the article? Just spoke to my friend in JKT and he is understandably disturbed and he travels pretty frequently on GA.
40 HB-IWC : There is unlikely to be an official link to this news. Garuda Indonesia and Indonesian companies at large are not very strong at external communicati
41 Ryanair!!! : You know... this thread set me thinking... I am comparing the parallels between CGK/DPS and BKK/HKT. These 2 countries have a capital city and a major
42 Post contains images ThaiA345 : Yup...and don't forget Senayan City and the upcoming Grand Indonesia, and of coz not forgetting the many 5 star hotels in the capital There has alway
43 HB-IWC : The banning of the B732s in Indonesia is tenuous at best. Not the aircraft but the operators' questionable maintenance and safety records are to blam
44 AA1818 : Will Garuda keep the 787 order or cancel it now that they are stopping Int'l flights??? AA1818
45 Post contains images Malaysia : I sure get awesome Airline discounts at Ibis hotels, they may not be the highest stars in Indonesia, but nothing beats getting 4 nights for just 400,0
46 Post contains links Australia1 : Thursday, 9 November 2006 Garuda announces boost in services to Western Australia http://www.etravelblackboard.com/index.asp?id=58086&nav=2 Garuda Ind
47 Ryanair!!! : Wait a minute... is this info valid till March 2007 when ALL INT'L FLIGHTS to and from DPS will be cancelled?
48 HB-IWC : The setup of this fits in Garuda's strategy to increase utilization of the B737 fleet by adding overnight sectors, and although it represents a consi
49 ZKNBX : SUSPENSION OF ALL WIDEBODY SERVICE from DPS... makes a lot more sense indeed, than a total suspension of service. GA will be able to maintain service
50 HB-IWC : There is no current Garuda service between DPS and BKK and flights between DPS and KUL are operated by MH under a codeshare agreement so these flight
51 ZKNBX : Then all power to Air Paradise to take the initiative as best they can. I agree with you that the outlook is risky... but at present the market is too
52 Australia1 : Can't find anything in media about Air Paradise starting ops ? Anyone else have a source?
53 Indio66 : The problem is muslim terrorists that are actually targeting tourists/business travelers. When they stop blowing hotels, bars and resturaunts, maybe
54 Kretek : Are there any connecting flights in CKG to Singapore, BKK, Narita, China or even Denpasar, a passenger from Perth can make after 21:00 hours? It woul
55 Ryanair!!! : QF only sends a 767 on this route. I am not sure if it is a daily flight but somehow gives an impression that not a lot of emphasis is put in this sec
56 HB-IWC : Virtually no connections are available at that time of the day: a daily CGK-NRT flight around 23.30LT, but there is no connectivity with NRT-CGK on t
57 Ryanair!!! : Oh dear! A 737?? To where? Darwin?
58 Mandala499 : Just look at those orange 732/3/4/5s at T1C... this is an airline whose 733/4/5s are probably and likely doing worse than their 732s... so yes, this
59 Kretek : What are Garuda's profitable routes (domestic and international if there are any) then? I can't believe after 'restructuring' and cutting a number of
60 Ryanair!!! : Kretek, a large bulk of a profitable flight comes from the premium passengers sitting up front and actually paying for it. Garuda has had a problem at
61 HB-IWC : For now, Garuda's profitable international operations are few and far between: Tokyo, Singapore, Jeddah and Ryadh are profitable, whereas Shanghai is
62 'Longreach' : Garuda are starting a daily perth to jakarta direct route from 11th of december. They advertised fares today of $479 +240 taxes. Not a bad price!!
63 Post contains images Baroque : You have a point there Ryanair. I was associated with organizing a conference in Bandung mid year. Getting anything from tourist authorities was like
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