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Northwest Ponders Cargo Center At DTW Or YIP  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

Courtesy: The Detroit News

Northwest Ponders Cargo Center At DTW Or YIP

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...e?AID=/20061104/BIZ/611040352/1001

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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Great news for Detroit (DTW/ YIP) if it all comes together.

With YIP's longest runway at just over 7500', I'm sure a runway extension at YIP would be needed for a heavily loaded 742F to make it to ANC or beyond.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

It will never happen at YIP...Kalitta is now crying for longer runways and NW will need them for ANC, Europe and the Orient. How about Selfridge in Macomb county?
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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

What flights are there at YIP at the moment?


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User currently offlineLegend11 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

How about TOL. Bax Global has a 220,000 sq ft sort facility and a 50 acre ramp along side a 10000ft rwy. The facility was built by the city and leased to BAX, which has an operation much smaller than back in the 90's.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7503 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

It would make more sense at DTW, remember some "CARGO" does go on NW mainline flights.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Interesting concept if it were to come to head. DTW has the space to make it happen, YIP is lacking the runways. The deal-breaker is getting decent rail access, which both airports have adjacent to their property.

Selfridge isn't even realistic, since its military-controlled.


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8740 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Cargo goes on both passenger and cargo aircraft, for the sake of connectivity, such a facility can only be at DTW. YIP does not stand a chance, not only because of runway lenght.

Interesting to know what good a railspur would do. Rail and air does not interchangem at least not in the US. Here in Europe, we have some projects, it ha sbeen done between Germany/Switzerland and Northern Italy and there might be a cargo TGV in France some time in the future. Possible as well for the connection between the new DHL hub in LEJ and FRA, but in the US?



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4685 times:
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Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 1):
With YIP's longest runway at just over 7500', I'm sure a runway extension at YIP would be needed for a heavily loaded 742F to make it to ANC or beyond.

I brought this up a few times recently. NWA Cargo is planning to expand it's scheduled cargo network to AMS, FRA, and one other city in Europe to fly cargo to and from India. The plan is to eventually get rid of the Berry IT, and replace it with a Cargo handling facility at metro.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4594 times:

Heck NW should just open a larger cargo center here at IND. We have the runways in place and the huge facility that the US Postal Service used to use as their express mail hub. There is nearby rail access as well as easy access to I-70, I-69, I-74 and I-65.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
Cargo goes on both passenger and cargo aircraft, for the sake of connectivity, such a facility can only be at DTW

NW should currently not have much cargo that is transfered from Cargo only flights to mainline flights in DTW.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 8):
NWA Cargo is planning to expand it's scheduled cargo network to AMS, FRA, and one other city in Europe to fly cargo to and from India.

interesting information, any news when flights would be started? currently NW has not a strong cargo presence in Europe, what till today I do not understand why NW Cargo has in some European stations still own offices, for example FRA, in FRA they have a own station just selling the FRA flight as the AMS flights are sold by AF/KL Cargo, wouldnt it make sense that also AF/KL sells the FRA flight?

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
interesting information, any news when flights would be started?

It wouldn't be possible until NWA Cargo acquires more 747F's. They're going to retire 2 freighters next year with maybe a possible 3rd late in the 4th quarter. So it might be a little while, until some more equipment becomes available, which would coincide with the building of a facility at DTW.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
currently NW has not a strong cargo presence in Europe, what till today I do not understand why NW Cargo has in some European stations still own offices, for example FRA, in FRA they have a own station just selling the FRA flight as the AMS flights are sold by AF/KL Cargo, wouldnt it make sense that also AF/KL sells the FRA flight?

Well, for many years, NWA Cargo flew contracts for Seaboard World, Flying Tigers in the 1970's and 80's for a long time in and out of FRA. And with the alliance with KLM, it would only make sense to use the AMS hub and exploit the open skies agreement with India. With only operating a single daily passenger service to and from India, you're only using half the market potential.

Quoting Indy (Reply 9):
Heck NW should just open a larger cargo center here at IND.

They would be invading FX turf which would ignite a fued over the non-compete agreement with them over the Memphis operation. FX carries alot of cargo in and out of MEM for us.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
They would be invading FX turf which would ignite a fued over the non-compete agreement with them over the Memphis operation. FX carries alot of cargo in and out of MEM for us.

Ah ok. I was not aware of that agreement. But makes perfect sense.



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User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 2):
How about Selfridge in Macomb county?

thats not possible, i believe selfridge is a millitary base.
DTW would be amazing



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8740 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):

NW should currently not have much cargo that is transfered from Cargo only flights to mainline flights in DTW

They carry cargo on the passenger flights to/from Asia and Europe as well, it would not make sense to split up such operaitons. Whatever the percentage is between cargo and passenger flights, it goes into the same warehouse. A YIP operation would be a duplicaiton of costs.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
W Cargo has in some European stations still own offices, for example FRA, in FRA they have a own station just selling the FRA flight as the AMS flights are sold

they have a good sales team here, integrating them into AF/KL would possibly be a problem, firing them expensive, with a 6 digit compensation for long time employees. As long as they are in the black, why change?



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4461 times:
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JetJack

So with 3 of 12 freighters gone by that estimate what plans have you heard about new freighters? Obviously NW doesn't envision a new cargo center with nine planes. I just hope they don't ask for a state loan to build it with someone elses money. Getting the same bank that backed the new DTW terminal might be interesting.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Headline in not so distant future: (?)

NW to acquire 10 748i and convert 10 existing 744 to freighters.

.... perhaps wishful thinking.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 14):
They carry cargo on the passenger flights to/from Asia and Europe as well, it would not make sense to split up such operaitons. Whatever the percentage is between cargo and passenger flights, it goes into the same warehouse. A YIP operation would be a duplicaiton of costs.

what is there a lot of cargo that connects from the current freighter schedule to the passengers flights, I doubt it as the freighter flights are already re-loaded in Alaska for example, and the little cargo that arrives from ASIA and should connect to an european flight could use only pax flights.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 14):
they have a good sales team here, integrating them into AF/KL would possibly be a problem, firing them expensive, with a 6 digit compensation for long time employees. As long as they are in the black, why change?

well no doubt the guys are good, but on the other hand it is not difficult to sell the space for 1 flight, were already lot of forwarders will use them even without any proactive selling. using different warehouses, different offices, etc etc should be cost on middle-term lot of more than integrate the guys the the AF/KL team.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8740 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 17):

what is there a lot of cargo that connects from the current freighter schedule to the passengers flights, I doubt it as the freighter flights are already re-loaded in Alaska for example, and the little cargo that arrives from ASIA and should connect to an european flight could use only pax flights.

you are missing my point. The trans shipment hub for the freighters is in ANC, alright. What I said is that NW carries freight on the 747Fs as well as on their passenger flights. It makes good sense to feed into one cargo termical, which should logically be at DTW and not at YIP.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
you are missing my point. The trans shipment hub for the freighters is in ANC, alright. What I said is that NW carries freight on the 747Fs as well as on their passenger flights. It makes good sense to feed into one cargo termical, which should logically be at DTW and not at YIP.

yes it would make sense to use for both operations 1 cargo terminal, but it is not such essential, it would also work with 2 different airports without any problem. Airlines like AF or LH would have much more problems splitting the Cargo Hubs like we already often heared (FRA - LEJ) in case of LH



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8740 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
yes it would make sense to use for both operations 1 cargo terminal, but it is not such essential, it would also work with 2 different airports without any problem. Airlines like AF or LH would have much more problems splitting the Cargo Hubs like we already often heared (FRA - LEJ) in case of L

sorry, but LH has a far greater international operation than NW has at DTW. LEJ is a DHL operation and right now DHL trucks its international transfer that go on scheduled flights from BRU to FRA, that will shift to LEJ/FRA. NW works for DHL as well with a ILN-ANC/ Far east 747F.

LH has split cargo ops already a long time ago between FRA and CGN.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

The Former USPS Express Mail Ramp and warehouse are Vacant at IND, with Interstate and Rail ready to go, wht re-invent the wheel ???

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10992 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
YIP does not stand a chance, not only because of runway lenght.

The ironic thing was that the powers that be in the area built DTW with the belief that Willow Run (YIP) would be used for cargo, and DTW would be used for passengers.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
They would be invading FX turf which would ignite a fued over the non-compete agreement with them over the Memphis operation. FX carries alot of cargo in and out of MEM for us.

Sounds like an antitrust violation...



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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 13):
thats not possible, i believe selfridge is a millitary base.

DHL has their west coast hub at March ARB. So it's possible.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
Sounds like an antitrust violation...

Why would that be an antitrust violation?



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25 D L X : Without knowing more about the specific arrangement, I can tell you that any unreasonable agreement to restrict trade is a violation of the Sherman A
26 Indy : Its likely not an issue since the two companies are different types of companies. One is a cargo carrier and the other is a passenger carrier with a r
27 Jetjack74 : Well, there's talk that NWA maybe negotiating a deal with another cargo carrier(such as Polar or Atlas) to wet lease a few aircraft and their crews t
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