Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6518 times:
"...If they are reconsidering the virtues of an all-composite tube (fuselage), that's a smart exercise," said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of analysis for the Teal Group, an industry consulting firm near Washington, D.C.
"They have to decide whether they believe composites is a killer technology," Aboulafia said. "If they believe that it is, then a metal-tubed A350 would be ambushed eventually by a 777 composite replacement..."
JayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 765 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6467 times:
Wasn't there an active thread on this, was it deleted?
After all Leahy said about composite tubes being: only minimally lighter, subject to serious ramp rash, can't be inspected, plastic plane, chinese copy of the 330, etc. - will he need to eat his words?
Actually, having 5 years between their respective EIS's will allow for Airbus to incorporate a lot of lessons learned from the 787.
In terms of risk sharing partners, I hope Boeing has Alenia and Vought under strong contracts as it would not be good for Boeing if they became involved with the tube on the 350. I suppose Boeing could dangle the 737RS project to them to keep them exclusive, at least on the tube.
Will the wings be built in the UK, or china? Will Airbus have a single CATIA program and digital model? Will they actually mock up the wiring to test the wiring? Lots of questions.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5151 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6415 times:
Actually the thread (1st one was deleted as I posted copyrighted material. Thus all the responses from the previous thread that were posted were also deleted. I reposted the thread using a link to the original article(didn't have alink the first time).
Perhaps the mods can at least repost the thread discussions here.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6189 times:
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 16): What's that got to do with an eventual 777 composite replacement?
Might be the effect of the jetlag setting in right now, but somehow I thought that Boeing's future strategy was to be set around the B737RS, B787 and the Y3 (or whatever the large aircraft/possible VLA was named).
In that context, it would seem as if the B777 wouldn't have a direct replacement, with the B787-9 and B787-10 basically taking over from it.
... but, as I said... that might just be the jetlag clouding my brain right now...
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6163 times:
Quoting Leskova (Reply 17): Boeing's future strategy was to be set around the B737RS, B787 and the Y3 (or whatever the large aircraft/possible VLA was named).
I think boeing will wait until technology both at the level of the Engine manuf. and at boeing internally becomes more mature and newer eff. are created . The Y3 will be something larger then the 777 IMO with a possible 11 abreast possibility . A 400-550 seat 2win engined aircraft . Clearly the technology required is far away so we wont see it happen anytime soon but when it does happen it would be a replacement for the 777(larger varients) and 748 aswell as re-energize the VLA market by significantly lowering CASM as compared to smaller 2win jets such as 787 and A350 while not hurting RASM to the level where it becomes a real niche plane .
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6109 times:
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 20): But won't Boeing need something bigger in a composite to take over for the 777-300 and compete with the larger A350XWB models?
That is just 1 varient of the 777 family that the A350-1000 competes against ( A350-1000 wont be available for delivery till perhaps 2015 or so) . The A350-1000 vs 777-300ER isnt enough of a reason for boeing to launch a new Composite aircraft to meet the challenge infact boeing isnt concentrating on airbus's lineup but are in the process of defining their own FAMILY of aircrafts starting from the 737NG all the way up to the 747-8 . The 777 is a very good aircraft and continues to sell very well . Boeing will strive to make it better , cheaper to produce and will sell them at economical prices so that it looks atractive speacially now that the 10 Abreast (17 width - 34 pitch ) has been demonstrated by EK to be quite good . The T7 will sell nicely for atleast the next 5-6 years . Boeing will now concentrate their attention on getting the 787 and 747-8 right , ramping up production of existing aircraft families and making the entire process more leaner , eff. as its competitor currently struggles with losses from the A380 program . Next step for boeing will be to get the 787-10 Roadmap sorted out and From then on it is really sitting on the Buzzer waiting to press it and give the 737RS a green light . The Y3 program wont be initiated by 2015 atleast IMO which would give Airbus perhaps only a 3-5 year run with the A350-1000 before a larger Y3 becomes available ( first smaller model ) .