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RRJ (SuperJet 100) Is Not Doing So Bad  
User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6087 times:

First of all, I'd like to say that I am very much hoping to see Russian (Former SU) Aviation industry succeed. Given current economic status of Russia and Ukraine recently, with domestic manufacturing declining, economy relying heavily on export of oil and gas, and outflow of qualified workforce to the West, I had very grim hopes for revival of Russian and Ukrainian Aviation industry, and always thought that RRJ (One of the most promising civil av projects in my opinion), was pretty much dead in the water. I was put in my place by A342 recently. So doing some internet checking, amongst other things, resulted in this:

http://en.rian.ru/business/20061020/54982226.html.

...And I quote:
"We expect contracts for another 45-50 aircraft to be signed before the end of the year."
That is on top of 40 contracts already signed.

Not bad at all!!!

And here is another quote from the article:
"Sukhoi plans to produce at least 700 SuperJet planes, and intends to sell 35% of them to North America, 25% to Europe, 10% to Latin America, and 7% to Russia and China. "

This amounts to roughly 250 planes in North America, and 200 in Europe. If Sukhoi plays their cards right, and Russian and Ukrainian Governments dont interfere and provide some support, this could be the very stepping stone that would introduce Russian made planes to the West. And then who knows what? DHL, UPS and FedEx ordering Tu-204 instead on 757s (as they will be shortage of 2nd hand 757s around).


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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6027 times:

Never forget the Slavic proverb: "We hoped for better, but it turned out like always..."

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

KL is currently 'shopping' for a replacement of their Fokkers. As far as I know, they also look to the RRJ programm (as well into Embraer/Bombardier programms of course).

Personally I think it would be great to see such an aircraft performing on Western main airline companies.



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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Corrected link given by poster:

http://en.rian.ru/business/20061020/54982226.html

(Dot suffixed to URL removed)

Quoting Concentriq (Thread starter):
And here is another quote from the article:
"Sukhoi plans to produce at least 700 SuperJet planes, and intends to sell 35% of them to North America, 25% to Europe, 10% to Latin America, and 7% to Russia and China. "

The figure of 7% sales of 700 frames to Russia and China seems very strange, even if it should be read as 7% to each country. That would be 50 frames for Russia and 50 for China. Wasn't China recently projected to need 2,000 new airliners over the next 2 decades?

[Edited 2006-11-05 12:20:25]

User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 3):
Corrected link given by poster:

Thank you for that!

Quoting Art (Reply 3):
The figure of 7% sales of 700 frames to Russia and China seems very strange

I too found 7% figure rather strange, especially for Russia. If carriers from Russia will not use it, it becomes a question of trust: how do they expect Western carriers to trust it?

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 1):
"We hoped for better, but it turned out like always..."


Very good translation! Certainly doesn't look like the case here for once?



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Quoting Concentriq (Reply 4):
I too found 7% figure rather strange, especially for Russia. If carriers from Russia will not use it, it becomes a question of trust: how do they expect Western carriers to trust it?

Not many Russian carriers are in need for that a/c. The size doesn't suit their expansion plans. Many Russian carriers are just getting their new orders delivered. Aeroflot, on the other hand, is in need of the RRJ, thats why they have ordered 30. It's all about strategic development. KL for instance was looking at the program because they need replacements soon enough, much like SU.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6358 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

The Oct. 31 FI has an article on the SSJ production progress:

First Superjet 100 prototypes take shape at Sukhoi factory

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+take+shape+at+Sukhoi+factory.html



Here are some news extracts that may be of interest:


Russian far east carrier DalAvia is finalising a deal for 20-25 Sukhoi Superjet (SSJ) 100s to replace its ageing Antonov An-24s and Tupolev Tu-154Bs.


Sukhoi Civil Aircraft is planning for its newly developed Superjet family to have steep-approach capability from its inception at airports such as London City in the UK.


Snecma is confident the team producing the Sukhoi Superjet 100 will be in a position to secure Western orders within two years, and expects the non-Russian market to account for the overwhelming majority of sales.

Snecma commercial engines general manager Jean-Pierre Cojan, speaking to ATI at NPO Saturn’s headquarters in Rybinsk, clarified that the programme has received firm orders for 40 aircraft – comprising 30 for Aeroflot and ten for Russian lessor Finance Leasing Company.

“These are firm, with a capital ‘F’,” he says, adding that the manufacturers are “very close” to firming other outstanding agreements.

But Cojan also says that there is strong interest from several Western operators – notably Air France-KLM and SAS Group, and there has been contact with US carriers including Northwest Airlines. British Airways is also among the airlines to which the project is being presented.

“We’ve had more requests for presentations from airlines than we can handle,” claims Cojan.


Start-up leasing company Concord Aviation has identified a strong international market potential for Sukhoi’s SuperJet family, which it says fits neatly in the burgeoning regional aircraft segment.

The Dubai-based lessor is the first foreign firm to have placed an order with Sukhoi Civil Aircraft for the supply of 20 examples with a further 20 options.



Sukhoi Civil Aircraft has bolstered its order book for Russian Regional Jets, freshly rebranded as the SuperJet, by inking an agreement with KrasAir for 30 of the type.


Russian airline alliance AirUnion is carrying out preparatory work over a possible order with Sukhoi Civil Aircraft for a batch of Russian Regional Jets (RRJ).

“It represents the type for which all five member carriers have an acute need,” he adds. “Overall, they could require 20 to 30 RRJs.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

at 27 million a pop, how do they stack up price-wise to other RJs?
if sudden surge in demand requires increase of production capacity, can Sukhoi handle it?



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5184 times:

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2006/11/07/007.html

What Alexander Golts has to say about it....


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 972 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

The article on this site: http://en.rian.ru/business/20061020/54982226.html

States: "The maiden flight has been set for November 2006".

Yet, Flight International says:

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 6):
The Oct. 31 FI has an article on the SSJ production progress:

First Superjet 100 prototypes take shape at Sukhoi factory

and the photo that accompanies the article shows what looks like a wingbox, and nothing more.

Either the original article that the link above directed you to has a few "holes" in it, or Sukhoi will be pulling an Airbus when it comes time to deliver... smile 


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2328 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

I look forward to seeing an "eastern" aircraft in the west. I would most definitely like to see Sukhoi join the so called "reputable" ranks in the western world.

ATCT

(I mean no insult, I am excited to see a former soviet-bloc company rise from the rubble)



"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney
User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Has anyone seen Sukhoi's devoted website for the superjet. It's quite interesting, and fully in English or Russian.... Actually the english site is more comprehensive.

http://sukhoi.superjet100.com/



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