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Qantas, one of Emirates' major competitors, should fly into Emirates' Dubai hub, he says. "I feel Emirates are natural partners with Qantas. We serve all the places in Asia and Europe that Qantas do not serve. We connect to 22 destinations in Europe (while Qantas has two). We could code share, or Qantas could just fly to Dubai. We've made that clear to them."
I agree with that. But Qantas would need more planes to do that. I'm also thinking why any airline would have an agreement with a second airline from the same region, or the same country for that matter. I'm thinking along those lines because when Virgin Blue started their frequent flyer program (which I did join up with), Emirates was one of the initial partner airlines on which you could earn and redeem points on. With that in mind, why would Emirates want to start a codeshare with Qantas? Maybe they are thinking completely differently to me. Couldn't Emirates instead start a codeshare with Virgin Blue? They could get some excellent connecting traffic, particularly from the centres they don't currently fly to in Australia like ADL, DRW, CNS, CBR, OOL and Hobart?
SR100 From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
From a European perspective, this cooperation would be great. Emirates offers connecting flights to a 400+ million European market and a market segment, that wants to have a one stop trip to Australia involving Qantas on one segment. For the time being, there is only such a flight with Qantas, if you live in or around London or Frankfurt.
If you want to fly to Australia from here with Qantas, you first have to go to London or Frankfurt first. At these huge airports, you usually have to change the terminal, which is not such a big deal leaving Europe, but once you come back after a 20 hour flight, then it is terrible.
Once onboard Qantas, you have another stop at Bangkok, Singapore or Hongkong. This makes a two stop trip and this is an important factor, why Emirates is so successful in this market, because they have a one stop flight from the 22 mentioned European cities to Australia and the journey is on one airline only without changing terminals.
Most Europeans just want to travel to one of the cities Emirates serves in Australia. They usually do not want go to the smaller cities first.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4438 posts, RR: 43 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
For QF to fly to DXB, it first needs a newer type of aircraft that can fly with a full payload SYD-DXB as their current fleet of B 744s, B 763ERs and A 330s cannot do that.
It would first have to get a B 772LR or B 789 to fly the route nonstop.
If QF wanted to fly to DXB then yes the best solution to compete effectively against EK is to fly nonstop. And then either terminate the flight from there OR have it fly on to Athens or Beirut with full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-ATH/BEY-DXB sector as the Lebanese and Greek immigrant communities in Australia are HUGE. If it doesnt want to fly to ATH/BEY, then yes a close interline agreement with EK and MEA should be negiotiated on this matter.
VHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5517 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2667 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6): For QF to fly to DXB, it first needs a newer type of aircraft that can fly with a full payload SYD-DXB as their current fleet of B 744s, B 763ERs and A 330s cannot do that.
Even though their current B744ER fleet is tied atm couldn't it do SYD-DXB with an unrestricted payload???
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6): And then either terminate the flight from there OR have it fly on to Athens or Beirut with full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-ATH/BEY-DXB sector as the Lebanese and Greek immigrant communities in Australia are HUGE
ANstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6): If QF wanted to fly to DXB then yes the best solution to compete effectively against EK is to fly nonstop. And then either terminate the flight from there OR have it fly on to Athens or Beirut with full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-ATH/BEY-DXB sector as the Lebanese and Greek immigrant communities in Australia are HUGE. If it doesnt want to fly to ATH/BEY, then yes a close interline agreement with EK and MEA should be negiotiated on this matter.
While these markets may be huge, they are low yielding - QF aren;t interested in Low Yields... Perhaps JQ could do these routes later with thier 787's
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2622 times:
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7): Even though their current B744ER fleet is tied atm couldn't it do SYD-DXB with an unrestricted payload???
Yes, SYD-DXB is "only" 6500 nm compared to 6883 for MEL-LAX
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6): And then either terminate the flight from there OR have it fly on to Athens or Beirut with full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-ATH/BEY-DXB sector as the Lebanese and Greek immigrant communities in Australia are HUGE
They are?? Prove it! the Greek community is long passed its peak as is the first Lebanese wave, the second(post civil war) is still growing, but still is not HUGE!
The only way for this to make business sence for QF is if EK stopped flying to Oz. Then it would be a good deal. But without this, given Oz-DXB traffic is about zero, what's the point of QF code shareing?
SR100, you make a good point, but you do pay for the convience. Most DXB-Oz NON STOP traffic is relatively high yeild. Cheap fares on the ns flights are generally much less aviable than on the one stoppers. Thus from Europe you are very likely (not always) to either pay more or make two stops anyway.
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