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How Is Singapore Airlines An Industry Leader?  
User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13318 times:

Hi this is my first post! i just signed up to a.net 5 minutes ago.

anyway, a few months ago Singapore Airlines ordered about 20 A350s. many people claim that Singapore Airlines is an industry leader and whatever Singapore Airlines orders, many other airlines will closely follow but its been months now and i don't see airlines queueing up to buy A350s?

and for the 787 order, Singapore Airlines is more of a follower than of a leader isn't it?

so is Singapore Airlines really an industry leader that other airlines should learn from? or is this a claim that Singapore Airlines "fans" made up? it seems to me that no other airline really gives a da** about what Singapore Airlines does, isn't it? otherwise, do discuss and give some examples where SQ bought "so and so" model and then a while later many other airlines followed suit and bought "so and so model."

on a minor note, i just like to comment that i don't like Singapore Airlines' updated livery on the B777-300ER and the A380 very much. not especially the tail. why couldn't they just finish painting the tail instead of leaving a white "stripe" at the bottom?



thank you and have a nice day!

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User currently offlineA3 From Greece, joined Oct 2006, 262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

Welcome to a.net

The industry haw many and various fields, a leader doesn¢t have to be always followed in all of them.
Also with the expansion of other carriers its only natural that some of them will be eventually leaders on some fields.

Rgds
A3



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User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13241 times:

if everyone is a leader, then what's the point of leading?

its the same as saying "hey i think you're unique... just like everybody else!"


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13229 times:

I don't think airlines (SQ for that matter) are titled as leaders just for the type of A/C they order, but more likely for the level of service they provide. In this aspect, I do believe SQ is one of the leaders.

Coal



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
so is Singapore Airlines really an industry leader that other airlines should learn from?

Well, if any, it was certainly Singapore Airlines who proved the 777 to be what it is (after going through MD-11 and A340-300).

Also, SQ has some firsts:

First airline to offer free head sets in all classes.
First airline to offer PTVs (?).
First airline to offer free drinks.
First airline to offer internet connection (connexion by Boeing).
First airline to offer live international TV broadcasts.
First airline to offer free live news feeds.
First airline to offer 19 inch wide economy class seats
First airline to offer 30 inch wide business class seats
First airline to offer 35 inch wide first class seats
First airline to fly A380.


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13190 times:

First airline to cross the pacific (?)
Longest non stop flight with SQ; SIN - EWR

Regards


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13024 times:

Hasn't Singapore Airlines also been the most, or one of the most, profitable airlines for about a decade or so?
I dont know if Singapore Airlines have had a loss since the separation from Malaysian Airlines, but I doubt it. This kind of makes them a model of how to run a successful airline.
And the fact that they are heavily involved in every new widebody project makes them an industry leader ... I think.


User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
First airline to offer free head sets in all classes.
First airline to offer PTVs (?).
First airline to offer free drinks.
First airline to offer internet connection (connexion by Boeing).
First airline to offer live international TV broadcasts.
First airline to offer free live news feeds.
First airline to offer 19 inch wide economy class seats
First airline to offer 30 inch wide business class seats
First airline to offer 35 inch wide first class seats
First airline to fly A380.

so are you saying that all the other airlines that started offering PTVs, free drinks, internet connection and so on offered them because they were inspired by Singapore Airlines?

and for the A380, SIA may be the first to fly, but they weren't the first to order.. the first airline to order IS the leader and is the one deserving the attention. but now, i don't even know who was the first airline to place an order for the A380! if i recalled correctly, even Emirates ordered the A380s before SIA!

if all the other airlines start offering ridiculously wide seats on their J and F classes, i'd believe that Singapore Airlines really is a product leader. if airlines start ordering the A350 because SIA ordered it, then i'd be convince that they're a leader.

don't get me wrong i'm no SIA basher but i am just confused over why many people hold them in such high regards.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12982 times:

Shinkai, welcome to Airliners.net. You have indeed written an interesting and thought provoking first post.

While I do not have the time during the next 24 hours to provide a more thorough explanation...

1) I share your views on Singapore Airlines Limited's "new" livery. It is indeed....different from what we all expected.

2)

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 7):
if all the other airlines start offering ridiculously wide seats on their J and F classes, i'd believe that Singapore Airlines really is a product leader

An airline industry leader's leadership position should not be decided upon whether follower or lesser airlines adopt its position. Often, due to a number of factors including financial ability, ethos and management objectives, airlines take different paths.

3)

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 7):
the first airline to order IS the leader and is the one deserving the attention

You've said that however you have contradicted yourself in your thinking with the paragraph above the aforementioned quote.

Again, welcome to the forums.



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User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12946 times:

hi! thanks for your warm welcome. i do hope somebody does something about the tail.

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
You've said that however you have contradicted yourself in your thinking with the paragraph above the aforementioned quote.

i make a fine distinction between "first to fly" and "first to order."

looking forward to your thorough explanation!


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
so is Singapore Airlines really an industry leader that other airlines should learn from?

Singapore Airlines, by nearly all accounts, delivers an exceptional service. It also makes a lot of profit.

The airline business is... a business. Other airlines that do not do so well would be very foolish not to study Singapore Airlines' operation and to emulate it where it is more successful than their own.

So, in answer to your question, I would say "yes".

BTW it's good to welcome another anetter on board.

[Edited 2006-11-05 14:07:36]

User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12879 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 12):
why do i keep quoting myself when i highlighted a quote from someone else?

The Quote Selected Text button is at the TOP of the post concerned.

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 12):
ANYWAY, since when is singapore a country with decent civil rights laws? from what i heard, it is the most barbaric nation in europe that bans chewing gum and even hangs people!!

Since, you are new to a.net, a word of caution: political comments that are not relevant to aviation are not allowed.

BTW Singapore looks like it's in Asia in my atlas.


User currently offlineDon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12839 times:

I agree with most of the firsts by Singapore Airlines (SQ) mentioned in an earlier post.

But IMHO why SQ is regarded by many as an industry leader is their consantly high service standards.

While many airlines such as CX, EK, VS etc has similar service standards, SQ does maintain that standard on highest percentage of flights. And also many airlines can maintain their standards when things are going nice and smooth. But most of them does not handle problems such as delays, missed connections etc as efficiently as SQ does.

The higher service standards at SQ is even more impressive and says a lot for the training methods especially when the home base, Singapore and the people are not exactly well known for their graciousness.


User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12783 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 12):
ANYWAY, since when is singapore a country with decent civil rights laws? from what i heard, it is the most barbaric nation in europe that bans chewing gum and even hangs people!!

Are you saying Singapore is in Europe?

And what does Singapore's civil rights laws have to do with Singapore Airlines?

Sorry... I just lost your train of thought about the airline.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12766 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
First airline to offer 19 inch wide economy class seats
First airline to offer 30 inch wide business class seats
First airline to offer 35 inch wide first class seats

Think you might have your dimensions wrong!!!

10 inch widescreen in Y
15.4 inch widescreen in J
23 inch widescreen in F

(I can't comment if SQ were the first with screen of this size.)

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/exp/new/index.jsp

They are considered by many as a leader in the industry as they can't do a lot wrong.

They are one of the most protitable airlines world.
They offer very innovative products and they are usually considered one of industry leaders in levels of service and other legacy carriers usually end up having to play catch up...

But their are other airlines which are hot on their heals. Airlines that spring to mind are:

Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, PIA, Asiana and Cathey Pacific. (All coincedently Asian too!)

[Edited 2006-11-05 15:14:34]

User currently offlineRichardlu From Singapore, joined Sep 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12719 times:

I believe he was talking about seat widths, not how wide the PTVs are.

Female F/As know perfectly the terms when they sign up for the job. They do treat it as a 5-7 year experience rather than a lifelong career, unless if they choose to go higher up. Being a Singapore Girl is something very much coveted.

And Singapore is a country in ASIA. As for all the harsh laws, most of us are grateful for them. Yes we may a bit "restricted" from many people's point of view, but we do get to enjoy the economic prosperity, low crime rates and stability here.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12721 times:

Singapore Airlines is very good, see my trip report  Smile

Asian Delight, LHR-SIN-BKK-SIN-LHR On SQ With Pics (by BMIFlyer Feb 22 2006 in Trip Reports)

Welcome to A.net  Smile


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
First airline to offer internet connection (connexion by Boeing).

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that Lufthansa (their 744 with the registration D-ABTE, to be exact) was the first airline with internet connection onboard:


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User currently offlineA3 From Greece, joined Oct 2006, 262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 12650 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 12):
is singapore a country with decent civil rights laws? from what i heard, it is the most barbaric nation in europe

I remember last time I was there , that it was a 14 hour flight away from Europe  Smile



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11998 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):

You seem to have something against Singapore? Its a lovely, stable country which is highly civilised and NOT barbaric. SQ offer excellent services and have offered many innovations over the year. Many would see them as a market leader, along with the likes of CX etc.


User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11905 times:

I think you're right Sabena, IIRC Lufthansa was the first to offer Internet onboard, I vaguely recall seeing ads on the Washington Metro advertising such a service. But besides the point, SQ is unequivocally an airline industry leader and I feel basing one's assessment of an 'industry leader' solely on the aforementioned premise of airplane purchases and whether other airlines follow suit is a bit of a superficial analysis. As has been previously stated, SQ is a remarkable airline offering truly exceptional service, which in my book, qualifies them as an industry leader.

And any city with Indian food that spectacular cant be all that bad!  Smile



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11865 times:
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
First airline to offer PTVs (?).

EK was the first to offer PTVs

SQ is and has been proven many times to be an industry leader, their awards etc speak for this


User currently offlinePh0king From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11652 times:

SQ is a leader because of its legendary customer service ( how many other airlines have flight attendats with attractive looking young women serving as your flight attendants. And not only are the flight attendats attractive and polite for the majority of the time, but all the inflight ammenties are great as well(food, video games, etc). ) I hear SQ has strict standards on hiring flight attendats, so rarely will you ever see an old stewardess on a fight unless she is the chief of the cabin.

The airline makes a profit every year ( in this day of airline bankruptcies, how many other airlines can say they do that?)


Their fleet is quite young. I believe the average age of their fleet is only 6 or 7 years. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe SQ aircraft orders from Airbus are partly subsidized by the European Governments which is why they are going towards the 380 and 350 . . although last year there were a large amount of orders for the 777- 300 from Boeing which contradicts.

SQ also owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic. Perhaps that is why Virgin is such a good airline and pehaps this is why SQ is making lots of money as wel. I notice the flight attendants on VS are quite attractive as well compared to BA which reminds me of United.

Changi Airport is consistently rated as one of the best airports in the world. Do you ever hear this about Ohare or DFW?

I know its probably apples and oranges to compare United/American vs. Singapore. Especially Since SQ doesn’t have to deal with a huge domestic market such as the U.S which contains a lot of low fare competition from airlines like Southwest/Jetblue. I guess it helps that the markets the compete in arent as competitive.


Also SQ hires flight attendants from Malaysia and India. I wonder if they take advantage of this to save on labor costs?

From reading an article in the LA Times a few months back I hear SQ places all their money in their product vs. on their workforce. In fact of I hear SQ travels the most miles per employee compared to all other airlines. What does that say about how they work their people? I also hear that their headquarters is old and is at the top of a flight hangar. Guess they save a lot on overhead?

I know this doesn’t have to do with why SQ is an industry leader, but I think its interesting to note aside from going to its homebase of Singapore, SQ has routes that fly to other carriers homebases as well. For example.


SFO- SEL(Korean, Asiana, United)
SFOHKG(Cathay Pacific, United)
LAXNRT(JAL, ANA, UNITED)
LAXTPE(CHINA, EVA, UNITED)
LAXSIN(NONE)
JFKFRA(LUFTHANSA)
EWR - SIN(NONE)

At least from a U.S. perspective, how many asian carriers fly to singapore that arent singapore airlines? Thinking about it the other way, how many Asian carriers stop in Singapore when they go to Asia from Europe ?

SQ also provides service to India and all cities in China. What other airlines on the west coast does this? I know Air India just recently entered LA., but before this, what other airline did this? They are jumping on board to provide services to the very big an upcoming economies. I don’t see any of their other competitors doing this. Perhaps its because of where singapore is located . . between Asia, the middle east, and Europe.

[Edited 2006-11-05 20:02:51]

User currently offlineLostmoon744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11563 times:

With respect to barbarism, Nihongo certainly doesn't have their hands clean on that one.

As for Singapore in Europe? It certainly was there at one point in time (Pangaea).  Smile

But, SQ certainly has an ethos and lore that the world has come to know, and has continuously proved itself to be an industry leader when it comes to their product.


User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

Quoting Ph0king (Reply 23):
I know this doesn’t have to do with why SQ is an industry leader, but I think its interesting to note aside from going to its homebase of Singapore, SQ has routes that fly to other carriers homebases as well. For example.


SFO- SEL(Korean, Asiana, United)
SFOHKG(Cathay Pacific, United)
LAXNRT(JAL, ANA, UNITED)
LAXTPE(CHINA, EVA, UNITED)
LAXSIN(NONE)
JFKFRA(LUFTHANSA)
EWR - SIN(NONE)

At least from a U.S. perspective, how many asian carriers fly to singapore that arent singapore airlines? Thinking about it the other way, how many Asian carriers stop in Singapore when they go to Asia from Europe ?

SQ also provides service to India and all cities in China. What other airlines on the west coast does this? I know Air India just recently entered LA., but before this, what other airline did this? They are jumping on board to provide services to the very big an upcoming economies. I don’t see any of their other competitors doing this. Perhaps its because of where singapore is located . . between Asia, the middle east, and Europe.

I suspect that SIN simply doesn't have enough O&D for SQ to operate exclusively out of it. That's likely why they have so many SIN-XXX-YYY routings; it gives the airline an opportunity to expand beyond the limited demand of its home market.


25 FCAFLYBOY : I don't really try to suggest a factual link between a nations civil laws and an airlines way of conducting business. Ultimately, everyone's opinion
26 Yellowstone : Shinkai, So who would you consider an industry-leading airline, then?
27 Orbis : From a passenger point of view and as a very frequent flier on many airlines, IMHO SIA leadership could resume (but not limited) to the following. Att
28 Ryanair!!! : Need to clear some things up here... From reading an article in the LA Times a few months back I hear SQ places all their money in their product vs. o
29 B6sea : If you believed everything the LA Times said you'd be living in a Marxist commune, but since you're even speaking about a capitalist matter such as p
30 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : I remember reading on this forum that it was UA when the 777 came!
31 Post contains images Shinkai : i do not have anything against singapore or SIA being a leader neither do i have another "leader" in mind.. i just want to know WHY they are a leader
32 Ph0king : I hope you are not referring to that ultra modern tall building in the downtown area of Singpaore where there is a huge SQ logo on it. If you are, th
33 ZKSUJ : It depends how you define leader. As mentioned above, there are many aspects to the title. I don't believe SQ or any airlines are a 'leader'. Because
34 Ph0king : haha. I'll agree with you on the LA Times piece. Dont quite get the marxism thing though?? Kansas, the midtown manhattan wall(do they even have one i
35 Post contains images SQ772 : Hi Shinkai, It all depends on what your definition of "leader" is. I guess I understand where you are coming from and what your definition of leadersh
36 Ph0king : FYI - The article from the LA Times I was referring to. Shinkai, hopefully this answers your questions. Carrier Aims to Stay Above Rivals Few airlines
37 Ryanair!!! : No I am not referring to this building. FYI, SIA has already sold it. Christ... I can just see the SQ executives keeling over at this very moment. Do
38 Jetdeltamsy : Singapore offers the best service, CONSISTENTLY, of any airline out there. People love good service. They are loyal to consistency. Loyal customers eq
39 Post contains images Ph0king : Thanks for the info. I guess they used the money to beef up that old hanger???? Image to the public yes. Image to its employees on the otherhand, i'v
40 Ryanair!!! : The reason I have an issue with this writer is because I used to work for the airline. And I know what he says in there is anything but true. If the
41 Yellowstone : Perhaps the issue with the hangar thing is a misunderstanding of "headquarters." Note how the article reads "its headquarters at the Singapore airport
42 PhilSquares : As a current SQ employee, I can assure you the "headquarters" are not in a hanger. The SQ bulding that was recently sold, was not where the SQ headqua
43 ZKNBX : Yes. Partly for the a/c they've bought in the past, but this doesn't make them an industry leader. Partly for a host of other reasons - including the
44 Baw716 : PhilSquares is one of the most respected users on this forum (IMHO). He is absolutely right on about SQ. If there is one carrier that is universally r
45 Timboflier215 : So where IS SQs hq and does anyone have any pics to show that it isn't, in fact, in a hanger?! Consistently excellent service and being unafraid to do
46 Post contains images Shinkai : Shinkai is the protagonist in popular japanese aviation drama "Good Luck!!" i admire his character, hence i use it for my username. in real life, i a
47 Pieinthesky : I can't help thinking all this is just a poor attempt at a wind-up....
48 Post contains images Ikarus2006 : SQ headquarter is nearby Changi (E-N/E tip of the Singapore Island). It is an interesting & browsing place with probably the most varied canteen I hav
49 PhilSquares : As Ikarus2006 pointed out, the headquarters buildings are out in Changi, to be specific it's Airline House, 25 Airline Road, Singapore 819829. The co
50 Jamincan : I think being a leader doesn't necessarily involve being first either. It seems to mostly involves being well regarded and respected in the industry.
51 Cornish : Well it tells me that SQ place a major emphasis on long haul routes as the core part of their business. Yes indeed SQ see one the highest RTKs per em
52 PEK18R36L : I think "all" cities in China is stretching the truth a bit. Last I checked, Singapore's greater China destinations were PEK, PVG, NKG, CAN, HKG, and
53 SSTsomeday : I concur with that, as well as the fact that they have constantly shown a profit most of the time, even while offering levels of service that surpass
54 Zvezda : No. The early B747-100s all were fitted with 9 abreast Y seating that was at least 19 inches wide.
55 Shinkai : when was the last time any other airlines copied singapore airlines? i can give you some examples of SIA copying others though: full flat seats on bu
56 PhilSquares : 1) From a purely semantic point of view, SQ has not "ordered" the 350 yet. They have signed a LOI, but as for a firm order, I think that's a little w
57 Timboflier215 : You asked a straightforward question, people on here have given you straightforward answers. Since you have chosen to ignore them and still use simpl
58 Post contains images Utapao : AA copy those routes? They don't even serve SIN! You seem to keep going back to arguments that a company becomes an industry leader by being the firs
59 Post contains images Nitrohelper : Perhaps this has been one post too many? Good answer to someone who doesn't seem to "get-it".
60 Timboflier215 : Thank you! What this thread has done, though, is show that the body of opinion on here seems to be decidedly for SQ being a market leader and widely
61 Shinkai : i'm glad this person "gets it" ANYWAY, as i said before, i've only flown with SIA once in 2001 (SIN-PER) on the A343 and wasn't particularly blown aw
62 Timboflier215 : No need to apologise, and I don't think anyone was offended. We're all entitled to our opinions. On the other hand, as you said, you've only flown wi
63 Post contains images SQ772 : Are you sure that you can't tell the difference between service on a NW transpac flight from SQ's? I can only think of two possibilities: a) NW's tra
64 Ryanair!!! : You see... Singapore Airlines has had many "first", "largest" and numerous other superlatives attached to her existence. While they might not be the f
65 Docpepz : I still think the most amusing part of this post is shinkai claiming Singapore was in Europe and putting up that map that showed the town of St Gapaur
66 Christao17 : Well, besides their world-class customer service, there would be the consistent string of profitability. Both serve as good measures of being an indu
67 Pieinthesky : Yep, that's why it's got to be a wind-up. Anyone who claims to have actually flown from Singapore, and also thinks that Singapore is in Europe is a c
68 Jamincan : I'm rather curious what you're judging that flight against. There must have been some other flight that blew you away if SQ's service was seemed only
69 PVG : SQ provides a good service and has the best IFE of any airline that I have flown (which is almost every commercial airline on the planet). However, yo
70 Nitrohelper : I flew both NW & SQ between the USA & Asia every two months for five years ('94-'99) with all trips in business or first. Anyone who thinks that NW's
71 Post contains images PEK18R36L : Frankly, I think I get fair value for my money. Having flown both airlines on competitive routes (PEK-SIN-SYD and PEK-BKK-SYD) several times over the
72 Flysherwood : He meant width of seats!!!
73 Shinkai : i'm aware that SQ's first and business class is the differentiating factor. but in economy class where everybody else is, there are no big difference
74 Ryanair!!! : ALL airline ads will boast the same thing. If you travel frequent enough, you would realise that the seats are almost the same except with different
75 SQ772 : Try flying SQ's economy now that you are all grown up, and fly with the others - US/European/some Asian carriers. You'll still see a marked differenc
76 SingaporeBoy : eh..RYANAIR!!!!Where is my book????read in one of your posts...you USED to work for them??Arent you with in training anymore???
77 Ryanair!!! : welcome back... Terminated liao lah... I crashed the Cessna into the Swan RIver in Perth...
78 Shinkai : a) New York, NY b) once every 4-5 years, the last time being 3 years ago on NW c) aviationally aware: a few years aviation enthusiast: since 3 weeks
79 PhilSquares : Why do you insist on pulling everyone's chain? Some of the statement you make, such as the one above, are just stupid! Is this a contest to see how l
80 Shinkai : just because you have high RR ratings doesn't mean you can throw your weight about. as far as this thread is concerned, the way you carry yourself do
81 PhilSquares : 1) Tell me saying Singapore is in Europe is not a ridiculous statement.... 2) Tell me saying flying in Y class is no better or worse than flying in Y
82 Shinkai : none are personal attacks 1) a factual mistake on my part which i had the humility to apologise for 2) a matter of personal opinion isn't it? it is no
83 Ryanair!!! : Hey hey hey... cool it guys. Shinkai, if you are indeed new to the aviation scene, then welcome. But please don't keep beating your own drum. After be
84 Aviasian : I actually think PhilSq has been supremely patient with Shinkai . . . as have many others. Even as Shinkai has admitted to being a newbie in this hob
85 Digitalone : Shinkai, I think the term leadership can be interpreted in many ways. Two of such include: 1/ The ability to influence others; 2/ Being the best in wh
86 Timboflier215 : You are correct that in terms of seat pitch/width in Y Class, there is little difference between the major carriers. The difference comes in terms of
87 Jseesue : No one has mentioned the obvious fact that Singapore Airlines is a STATE-RUN airline, and of course the Singapore government will pour money into the
88 Post contains links PhilSquares : Sorry to burst your bubble, but SQ is not a state-run airline! Tamesek holdings is the largest shareholder, but for their investment, they get an abo
89 SQ772 : Did Shinkai just changed his name to Jseesue??
90 Ryanair!!! : Many seem to think that SIA is government owned. SIA is owned by Temasek Holdings which is an investment arm of the Singapore government. However, Te
91 PVG : Yes, apparently there are enough people who are willing to pay or they wouldn't be able to get away with charging higher fares. The difference is usu
92 Timboflier215 : Neither SQ nor EK are state-run in any way. They are, if you can believe it, successful, well-run, airlines. It does happen in the world today, occas
93 SingaporeBoy : Ryanair!!!That was you???Gosh...Hope you are alright....They must have been really pissed.... Anyways..when am i getting my book back?
94 Singapore_Air : To put it very mildly and extremely politely, please do some research on Singapore Airlines' background.
95 Post contains images SQ772 : The great Singapore_Air has finally based himself in Singapore? Are you finally running SQ now?
96 Singapore_Air : no just drunk
97 SSTsomeday : This seems like splitting hairs. It seems like the same thing to me. I had been asking "why can't others offer service as good as Singapore? If they
98 Nitrohelper : Maybe it's because SQ pays great attention to every detail on all subjects related to operating an airline. I would not call them subsidized, however
99 Digitalone : Jseesue With all due respect, it is not obvious to me at all the Singapore Airlines is a state run airline. I can assure you that business decisions m
100 Timboflier215 : Absolutely. And just because an airline is state-run doesn't automatically mean it will be successful/ well respected. They can only charge higher pr
101 PVG : If SQ is owned and managed by a company where the main shareholder is the Singapore government, then it is a government owned company. Sounds like th
102 Timboflier215 : How are SQ a monopoly when they have people like QF and BA all over thier home base?! And while the Singaporean govt MAY, by some degree of seperatio
103 PVG : QF and BA only compete to their home countries with some onward service. I don't criticize them. I would do the same thing if I could get away with i
104 FA4UA : LAXINTL suggested to me and I in turn suggest to Everyone interested in SQ to go read the book: "Flying High in a Competitive Industry- Cost-Effective
105 Singapore_Air : With respect there is no comparison between the ownership aspects of EADS and Singapore Airlines Group. The Airline prices it flights in line with wha
106 Post contains links DocPepz : Temasek Holdings, the investment arm of the Singapore government, was set up to provide revenue FOR the government, not to suck away government funds.
107 PVG : Point noted! I think that Singapore is a great place by the way. It's just that I think that SQ is over-priced relative to the actual service that th
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