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EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force  
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

About an hour ago the first phase of EU-wide regulations concerning cabin luggage have entered force. All flights departing EU airports have to limit liquids in cabin luggage to 100ml containers, all to fit in a single 1L resealable bag. Exceptions with special criteria are made for medications, baby food and duty-free purchases. The next phase, tentatively planned for January, will limit the size of cabin luggage to 56x45x25cm, i.e. the size of an average notebook bag.

I wonder how Europe's airports are coping starting in a few hours. Are there enough resealable bags, extra security crew? Are there big delays at some airports?

Please share your experiences if you fly within or out of the EU today.


"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
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User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

This has been known for a while. I paid attention on one specific rule:

Purchases in duty free at the airport:

If your purchase occurred in an airport located outside the European Union, and you are transferring to a European Union country, you will not be authorized to carry your purchases onto your next flight. They will be taken away from you.


This is part of the latest AF/KL newsletter. I'm also unsure if this means any purchases or liquids only.

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting Joge (Reply 1):
Purchases in duty free at the airport:

If your purchase occurred in an airport located outside the European Union, and you are transferring to a European Union country, you will not be authorized to carry your purchases onto your next flight. They will be taken away from you.

This is part of the latest AF/KL newsletter. I'm also unsure if this means any purchases or liquids only.

BA have put a slightly different slant on this...you can still purchase duty free liquids outside the EU provided the size of the liquid size meets the EU maximum and it's carried in the travellers existing litre/quart sized bag. So, a customer on BA can still buy perfume, but not liquour.

C.



Dewmanair...begins with Dew
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

This all sounds like a backhanded way for the USA and EU to stop duty free importation of liquor from abroad (unless you happen to live in the major cities and don't need to connect, of course). All just a convoluted cash grab?


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
This all sounds like a backhanded way for the USA and EU to stop duty free importation of liquor from abroad (unless you happen to live in the major cities and don't need to connect, of course).

Doesn't make much sense. What if one has stopover or just grab the bag, pass the customs, pack the liquor to the bag and go back to the transit area?  scratchchin 

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
About an hour ago the first phase of EU-wide regulations concerning cabin luggage have entered force.

A big warm welcome to the useless, painful, new EU regulations, that will mess up even more the dumb security checks.


User currently offlineKoenie From Belgium, joined Oct 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Do I understand this correctly as that i'm not allowed anymore to bring two bottles of wine from e.g. Spain / Portugal in my hand luggage when purchased outside the airport shops?

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

Paris Orly is total chaos -all flights delayed and it will get worse in the evening..
I would expect some passengers don't make their connections !
Specially southern-europeans or arabs with "warm blooded temper" (which frequently use ORLY for flights to North Afica )could potentially become violent,being stuck for hours in endless lines...



Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting Koenie (Reply 6):
Do I understand this correctly as that i'm not allowed anymore to bring two bottles of wine from e.g. Spain / Portugal in my hand luggage when purchased outside the airport shops?

Correct, you could however put them in your checked luggage.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
Are there enough resealable bags

The airport here is providing the bags for now. The idea is that you keep it for next time.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

...as expected this is turning into a completely ridicoulous chase on volumes regardless of common sense..
In Vienna they conficscate even half empty toothpase-tubes of 125 ml ...
Where do you want to stop this global madness called fear for terrorism...?
Soon someone will prove he could hide explosives in his cloths and we are expected to travel nude then??
Is there no more any common sens in this community and do we really have to bend ourselves to an extent ,where airlines will suffer and see passengers move to train -transport,because they find it unacceptable to arrive three hours prior to departure, and have to dismantle they luggage into bits and pieces ??
I expect tons of people to say -well all this if for our security ...
If we would adapt a less invasive Politic in the ME,there would be substantially less reasons to worry about security !



Please respect animals - don't eat them...
User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Actually, I personally suspect that this rule has more to do woth politics (getting on the US's good side) than anything else. Let's face it - what's so bad about a bottle of water on board - the darn plane carries tons of highly inflammable JET-A1 on it anyway.....

Of course, one could supect that this is simply a way of boosting sales in duty free stores which have dramaticlally reclined in recent years. Look for the price of water to skyrocket to about four or five EUR per bottle.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
Please share your experiences if you fly within or out of the EU today.

Although not in the EU, Serbia too adopted the measures. BEG airport was crawling with confused pax this morning.



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

>sigh<

This is a completely toothless act that will just annoy travellers without making them one bit more safe.

And by travellers, I mean me.

As for the reasons for this, they can be so many aside from just paranoia from politicians. However, the question is how much influence airlines, airports, airline security and tax-free shops have a say in this.

For some reason I don't think they have much of a say in this at all, so while they may have been able to influence the actual details of these regulations, I think this comes from overly paranoid politicians with too much time on their hands.

After all, who benefits? No one does, except from politicians and terrorists. Both groups can go home now feeling as if they've achieved something, without actually achieving anything except our incresed ire for both of them.

cheers

Asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Remember what happened with the belt buckles and shoes?

Once somebody found out that it would be handy to put some explosives in boots or hide a knife in a buckle, everybody had to take their shoes and belts off. That was not too long ago. However, in my last say 10 trips, I haven't had need to screen my shoes unless they've beeped in the metal detector. Same thing with the belt. Now, just wait and see what happens the day terrorists smuggle explosives onboard in where the sun never shines!  scared   laughing 

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineKoenie From Belgium, joined Oct 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Here in europe I think you are still asked to take out your belt... for sure this is the case at BRU and CRL.

Regarding the bottles in checked-in luggage: I like my bottles to arrive home in one piece  Smile

These are really very annoying new rules!!!

So I will now have to go to the doctor just to get a receipt indicating that I really need my medication... hmm djeezus....


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

This is just utter ridicolous. Low cost carriers and duty free companies will love the new security measures, everybody else will hate them. What a shame.

User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Can someone link to these new regulations? It would be nice to know what *exactly* is going to be allowed and what not and what flexibility there is.

I'm going out if the country on friday (all intra EU) and I really don't want to stay a moment longer in security than I have to.

...beaurocrats :shakes head:  no 

cheers

Asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2890 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 17):
Can someone link to these new regulations?

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air_po...ecurity/rules_liquids/index_en.htm

See how long these rules last...



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 18):
See how long these rules last...

Thanks for the link!  Smile

As for how long these regulations will last...

Quote:


The new rules apply from Monday, 6 November 2006 at all airports in the EU and in Norway, Iceland and
Switzerland until further notice.


Heh, until further notice. Until people realize how much load of croc they are. Might take some time..

cheers

Asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineSapphireLHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

Here at LHR the new "rules" came into force as of 02.00hrs yesterday 6th November. Having expected another August 10th fiasco they have preempted the problem by employing a large number of agenc staff. The Security information is now in three phases. Phase 1 All passengers are given the information on entering the terminal, in the way of a flyer telling what, and how fluids are excepted within Cabin / Hold baggage and informed that any excesses should be placed in Hold baggage. Plastic zip seal bags are provided for any fluids carried in cabin baggage. Phase 2 is taking place prior to the Central Search area where apssengers are questioned and advised again on how to pack and present to security their fluids. Phase 3 is at Central Search areas where by this time the fluids should be ready for security screening etc and removed and confiscated if still found to be either in excess or not presented correctly.
Question: Why is it that everone wants to carry toiletries on board anyway ??? As I explained to one young, distressed lady yesterday, are you going to have a shower? or wash your hair? or apply suntan lotion? or paint your nails? or shave your legs on board? NO then why do you need to carry them, put them in your hold luggage..............DUH!!!!!


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting Koenie (Reply 15):
Here in europe I think you are still asked to take out your belt...

Not the case everywhere. If I remember correctly, I don't remember removing my shoes on my last visit to DUB but I think I had to remove my belt, and they had been very strict about all this. They still insist we remove our laptops from their bag for separate screening, yet this diesn't happen to me at most other EU airport I've recently used. My home airport of TLS has never asked us to remove shoes, and nor do I ever remeber having to remove my belt, yet on my last flight from TLS just two weeks ago I actually asked if I had to remove my belt, the girl said no, when I went through I was frisked as I had beebed, eventually the security man asked me to remove my belt and saw it was the belt that was beeping. I have however noticed that body searching (frisking) seems to be the norm in TLS, as does a separate hand search of my laptop after screening. At MAD, where to be honest I find security to be a little too lax, I have never been requested to remove shoes or belt or have ever been frisked or beeped or had baggage checked. This makes me laugh, as when I fly TLS-MAD-TLS my laptop is always hand searched in TLS, yet returning from MAD with the exact same contents, it's never been searched. For the first time ever recently at AGP, I was asked to remove my laptop, they searched it then I was asked to turn it on.
I have always found it bizarre how securitry measures differ so much from one airport to another within Europe.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
About an hour ago the first phase of EU-wide regulations concerning cabin luggage have entered force.

How many phases will totally be?
as I understand the second will e 56x45x25? What next?


User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 20):
NO then why do you need to carry them, put them in your hold luggage..............DUH!!!!!

Very true. I usually have nothing liquid in the hand baggage as I try to take with me as little as possible into the cabin. However, there's still this new question, how one is supposed to do any convenient tax free shopping after the new rules have been applied?

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 21):
I have always found it bizarre how securitry measures differ so much from one airport to another within Europe.

Probably the strangest happened to me was at the customs in Brisbane after returning from a relatively short trip in Malaysia. I did have my laptop PC with me and the officers asked me to show them pictures I took on my trip AND my plane tickets. Why is that? And what if I didn't take any photos? And what if I had trashed the tickets? It doesn't sound like normal procedure and it has not much to do with quarantine. And still, they didn't even check my bag well, they only asked if I had any wooden items, plants etc.

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting Joge (Reply 23):
Probably the strangest happened to me was at the customs in Brisbane after returning from a relatively short trip in Malaysia. I did have my laptop PC with me and the officers asked me to show them pictures I took on my trip AND my plane tickets. Why is that? And what if I didn't take any photos? And what if I had trashed the tickets? It doesn't sound like normal procedure and it has not much to do with quarantine. And still, they didn't even check my bag well, they only asked if I had any wooden items, plants etc.

well it may have been a random pick search


25 EHHO : Because when I go away for a few days, like I will be doing tomorrow for the A.net meet in BCN, I'm NOT taking hold luggage to check with me. I don't
26 Koenie : Indeed. When I do a short trip I never have hold luggage. I don't know why I would need to carry around a big bag for three to four days of holiday. W
27 764 : Plus, travelling quite frequently, I get stuck along the way every few weeks. And the airlines always refuse to return my checked luggage to me when I
28 Jorge1812 : This whole new regulations are some kind of big shit. In times where you have to pay for drinks onboard you are not allowed to take them with you. Eve
29 Post contains images Joge : So do I on short trips, but I still check the bag in. That way I feel more free wandering around the terminals taking photos. Depending on who you're
30 Anax : i flew yesterday evening CDG - ATH on OA. Chaos is the word to describe it. Huge lines at security , very slow. Plus the french give their own meaning
31 Chrjuk : I am flying SIN-FRA-LHR next week, and am expected to fill up with the maximum amount of Vodka that i can! Does this mean that if i buy it in SIN, i w
32 Kappel : Perhaps LCC's also. Now you have to buy drinks onboard. Or maybe LCC's will suffer because ppl will fly airlines that do offer free drinks? I was on
33 Joge : My guess is you better get the bottles before going to the airport and just pack them well between soft clothes inside your check-in baggage. I've do
34 EHHO : But I can imagine that people will start using that as a "valet luggage service" facility,and ignore the rules altogether. "Aah, why bother, they'll
35 Starlionblue : I travel frequently for work. Mostly these trips are 1-3 nights away. Sometimes they involve multiple cities and multiple hops. I have done 10 day tr
36 Kappel : That's a good point indeed. But there is also a weight restriction on cabin baggage right? Although it's never upheld. But if you do as you say, you
37 Sukhoi : If you fly on a EU airline (Lufthansa) you can buy dutyfree onboard and they will seal it and you can take it threw secuirity, buying vodka in SIN or
38 Post contains images Starlionblue : That weight restriction is in large part to protect the backs of the F/As. The rule of thumb, at least in the US, is that if you can lift it over you
39 Pe@rson : My girlfriend and I flew JER-LGW (BA8038; 735) yesterday. The new rules were frustrating, but at least it's on the road to normality. We're flying STN
40 Starlionblue : It's only a matter of time before travel size toiletry makers catch on and make the containers exactly 3 oz on the inside, small on the outside (what'
41 Zruda : The new rule is complete c**p, now we'll have ten terrorists instead of two carrying 100 bottles with what they need. Or somebody will bake explosive
42 Post contains images Joge : I really hope these items aren't banned from the cabin. I really should check the policies of the airlines again, I'm travelling with few cameras, tw
43 Post contains links Lamedianaranja : Yes Schiphol has enough bags for the moment. In a few weeks it will be the responsiblity of the passenger but for the moment the airport is cooperati
44 Starlionblue : Because: - It would be almost impossible to enforce. - It doesn't really make anyone safer. - Business travelers, who make up the majority of airline
45 764 : Somebody just asked me an interesting question that I wasn't able to answer. If you had bokked a trip for December back in July and now with these new
46 Zruda : I understand banning all liquids would be very inconvenient, but they didn't sort anything out by banning larger volumes then...
47 Post contains links Starlionblue : In my opinion there are far far better outlets for money and effort than banning toiletries. How about actual security instead of the joke we are sub
48 Viscount724 : While annoying, I don't consider the new carry-on rules that much of a problem. If you check your bags there's no change at all. And if, like me, you
49 Starlionblue : Agree completely. I have no huge problems with the current regs per se. However if they restrict to a small bag that'll be a huge hassle. My gripe wi
50 AMSMAN : It will hurt Airline's onboard Duty Free Sales somewhat...maybe not on the ex EU leg but surely, for transiting passengers, on the inbound! e.g. I fle
51 Sukhoi : If you fly a EU airline you can still by dutyfree onboard ask the cabincrew to seal the bags for you.
52 Post contains images Ken777 : Women - at least MY wife - has a rather large investment in her cosmetics and they want the security of having them near. Putting them in their check
53 Post contains images Starlionblue : I've only been married 5½ but I am well aware.
54 Sukhoi : I am very surprised how well informed European passengers have been and that most flights have been on schedule I had predicted a chaotic week! Sukhoi
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