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Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Qantas staff 'interrogated' over joke

A rude joke amongst Qantas cabin crew led to airline management intimidating flight attendants and interrogating them four days after the joke was made, a union says.

"While disembarking our passengers we became aware of managers on the aero-bridge with more and more arriving as we helped wheelchair passengers," the memo says.

"Tired, uninformed and unrepresented, we were isolated in different parts of the aircraft ... and read prepared questions.

The union says it has expressed outrage over the behaviour of management.

"In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces," the memo says.

More at AAP via The Age


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Well what the heck was the joke? Must have been a good one if it causes this sort of hubbub.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
"In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces," the memo says.

Right....let's compare a few Aussie stewardesses/stewards getting questioned about an inappropriate joke on company time to the murder of millions of Russians (and other USSR folks.) Gotta love the union way of thinking about management.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):

ahh John Howard's new industrial relations reform hard at work here. QF is one of many Australian companies who approve of these recently introduced reforms


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

Australia's unions and QF's industrial relations is its archilles heel. This is where NZ have it over QF, along with flat bed and PPE (pacific premium economy).

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9329 times:

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Australia's unions and QF's industrial relations is its archilles heel.

what are you talking about. The samething happened in New Zealand several years ago didn't it. Industrial Reform?


User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9308 times:

So how many Qantas management types does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
There once was a Qantas manager from Nantucket......



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2965 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9103 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
"In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces," the memo says.

What total rubbish. An unverified union source is hardly a great source for unbiased information. Yet another post from our friend in Singapore bashing QF. It's not going to get you to LAX.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
ahh John Howard's new industrial relations reform hard at work here. QF is one of many Australian companies who approve of these recently introduced reforms

So what?? Qantas works within the laws of the land just like every other company does. More than likely this is just a leak as part of the ACTU campaign against the government. Qantas, as a supporter, is a natural target for this kind of rumour and innuendo. The fact of the matter is that QF had done this then the union would be jumping up and down and the ACTU would be all over our screens telling us about it. The lack of that happening suggests a storm in a teacup.


User currently offlineTeamspeedy From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9054 times:

what people outside Australia wouldn't know is the media have had these types of stories(from all industries) in the news since the industrial relations reform came into effect


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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9035 times:

It's these industrial reforms of John Howards which will ensure the Union Members have jobs to whinge about.

God help us all if we went down the Union preferred European path, with millions of workers in countries north of us who are increasingly well educated and skilled, and who will work for a month for the pay an Australian gets in a day.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9004 times:

John Howard didn't really seem like a stand-up guy to me before all of this. Say what you will about unions, but some days I wish I had one. I've seen management treat fellow employees like shit before and there was nothing they could do about it to my knowledge. I don't tend to get into fights with management, but if I ever did I'd like to know there was somebody on my side just in case I ever needed some help.


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8929 times:

So, did all the FAs that failed the test get shipped off to Siberia, or did they simply never get heard from again?

Now please, well all know that GWB is the only true totalitarian dictator these days.  Wink


User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 6):
Yet another post from our friend in Singapore bashing QF.

Absolutely, took the words right out of my mouth.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 6):
It's not going to get you to LAX.

Ha! Brilliant.

QFF


User currently offlineSimes From Australia, joined May 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Airline aside, it's disgusting that things have reached this level, I have no issue with management wanting to find out what happened, but they didn't give the FA's time to organise someone to support them if they wanted it.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 8):
It's these industrial reforms of John Howards which will ensure the Union Members have jobs to whinge about.

God help us all if we went down the Union preferred European path, with millions of workers in countries north of us who are increasingly well educated and skilled, and who will work for a month for the pay an Australian gets in a day.

We'll never be able to compete with the likes of China and India, even if we did lower ourselves to their level. 1 and 3 billion vs 20 million, they'll have it over us anyday....


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

I don;t really see what the big deal is. If the FA's acted inappropriately, surely QF is in it's right to speak to their employee's about the incident?

this would have been the first available time that their managers could have spoken to them and likely the only time they would all have been in the same place for some time to come!

In the real world we don;t all have union reps to hold our hands when our boss wants to have a word!


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Considering that the only problems I have had with QF over the past 30 years has been with some rather ignorant mid-level managers I would guess that this is the same situation. I still shake my head at how dumb and arrogant some of these yo-yos can be.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8181 times:
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Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):

A rude joke amongst Qantas cabin crew led to airline management intimidating flight attendants and interrogating them four days after the joke was made, a union says.

If the joke was of a type that would get QF sued... bad news. Companies cannot be as patient as they used to be. Sorry if the crew doesn't like that; its the lawsuit happy world we live in.

I don't see why the Stalanist headline? Are tens of millions going to die? Nyet.

Why it gets people to read the article, it doesn't form support. Were crew manhandled? Did anything happen besides a snap interview? Seriously. Legally, QF might have just needed to no the truth after a passanger compaint. What action was taken with the interview information?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

So... what was the joke???

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3207 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

SingaporeAir,

This is simply unbelivable from you. SIA, the wonderful airline that it is, is also the same company that has pentalties in place for FA's found to be having their zipper in the wrong position. Compared to that how on earth can anyone in their right mind suggest Qantas is Stalinist?

Look boy, i've got one piece of advice for you. Get on the pro-SIA/QF merger camp. You'll kill two birds with one stone. Also i might point out, everytime SIA's supportors take a loverly swip at Australia and Australians, they are taking a swipe at one of their most important, highest spending and most loyal customer bases. HOW MANY RICH BITCHES who live in Toorak or on the north shore with views of the opera house take SIA's spacebed to Europe about 3 or 4 times a year? YES PLENTY!!!!! don't forget that. SIA hasn't. you shouldn't either before you take a swipe at us all.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):

Lufthansa,

If you have a problem with the news article, please direct your tirade at news.sydney@aap.com.au

If you want to comment on the memo issued by the Flight Attendants' Association of Australia, specifically the line "In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces,", you can contact them at info@faaadomestic.org.au

This thread is about news reported by an Australian news agency. Your advice has been taken into consideration.



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User currently offlineF22KA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6707 times:

...Stalinist regime... blah blah blah...
Singapore_Air, if you had any knowledge about Stalin you might not associate him with QF.
Stalin was a sick lefty who killed millions. I find your comparison quite ridiculous.


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting F22KA (Reply 19):

It isn't the thread starters comparison. If you bothered to read the post, you'd find it was in a memo issued by the Flight Attendants Association Of Australia.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

Not that I doubt the story for one second, QF as an organisation being what it is, but still ... an Australian Union accusing a company's management of acting "Stalinist" ?? That's rich, coming from an affiliate of the ACTU !!

User currently offlineQfsis From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 13):
In the real world we don;t all have union reps to hold our hands when our boss wants to have a word!

But we are still (legally) entitled to it ... This is one of the things that Mr. Howard wants to eradicate; one of the reasons that the Unions and staff are "up in arms" about and the reason that this whole issue has been compared to the Stalinist regime.


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