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QR Will Wait For A350 Redesign  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Out on Bloomberg:
QR will wait for the A350 redesign before signing the final agreement. They waiting for the launch and all the specs of the plane. Will post a link.


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Glad to hear that an airline such as QR will actualy wait for the model rather than EK and Tim Clark demanding for models!  Wink

I hope Airbus will the QR order (not that I'm a Boeing hater)

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
I hope Airbus will the QR order (not that I'm a Boeing hater)

You may want to reorder you wording.

Here;s a link to the article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=awmf.Cr0Kxo4



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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7848 times:

Why would they want the 350? Don't they already have a large order in for 787's? To me this would be redundant.


Why fly with 2 engines when you can have 3?
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7852 times:

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 3):
Why would they want the 350? Don't they already have a large order in for 787's? To me this would be redundant.

They haven't ordered 787s, they considered ordering them but had opted for a more inferior aircraft. They did order 20 777s.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Since the first available 787 to order will probably be now 2011 or 2012, they figured it doesn't really hurt to wait until 2014/15 anyways.

User currently offlineSmokinL1011 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7626 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
I hope Airbus will the QR order (not that I'm a Boeing hater)

You may want to reorder you wording

And you may want to correct your spelling, grammer, punctuation and/or learn how to use contractions before drawing attention to the language skills of others:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
They waiting for the launch



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Here;s a link



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
You may want to reorder you wording.


User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
But what was QR's choice? The A350 beats the 787, the A380 beats the 747,

Hmmm. I didn't think they compared? That's like saying the Manchester United beats the Pakistani cricket club.

If it's really true, it sounds like they've gotten a tremendous deal or there is something akin to religious zeal going on here. To agree to buy an airplane that isn't really designed yet is either a tremendous demonstration of faith or a clear evidence of extreme stupidity. To be fair to the rather odd Akbar Al Baker, in reality, he said nothing: "we're not going to buy an airplane that doesn't exist yet." He's got plenty of ways out of it.

But why would he buy 777s then? Too much for interim. Same plane. I just don't get QR.



The dude abides
User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Honestly, do you not believe the A350 can beat the 787 when it comes out so much later?

So airbus was developing the 787 and now switched to developing the A350? Most of the things airbus will be investing the 12 billion in like rolling out barrels for CFRP fues. etc etc have allready been R and D'd by boeing for the 787 and the project yellowstone in general , its not that the A350 program is at the maturity level of the 787 but will wait longer to introduce newer technologies heck we dont even know if all of the 787's new technology will be used on the A350 . Comming later in this case doesnt mean leapfrogging . Both aircrafts will have similar engines (although Airbus hasnt yet committed to bleedless while boeing is firmly in favour of that) and boeing has just spent a whole lot of money to get the CFRP fues. , bleedless engines , higher humidity etc etc while airbus needs to do that. Infact the Original XWB had to be delayed by a year or 2 because Airbus needs more time to develop the CFRP tube etc . Dont think that Airbus is at the same stage of R and D into CFRP tubes etc as compared to Boeing who have committed money for the last 2-3 years in that feild while airbus officials have been quoted very recently as saying that CFRP will have Ramp Rash,maintaince issues etc etc and that the technology isnt mature enough to give a green light etc etc . Airbus is yet to give the exact features based on which the A350 will be better then the Boeing 787 while we know what the 787 will have !!

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Boeing needs to bring the 787 and 747-8 out, this far there are quiet a few problems with the 787, and the 747-8 seems to be nothing more than a goodfreighter.

And Airbus needs to launch the A350 and need to decide which of the various versions being tabled will be picked , then find and allocate money to the project ( current estimates at 12 billion$) and get their acts together and actually pull off the project on time .

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 9):
What if for some reason Airbus got their ball rolling in the right direction and learned the mistakes from the past?

This will happen for sure . Airbus isnt going to sit and do nothing , I have confidence in them rolling out a very very good product.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Especially to the 20 year old 777

How did you arrive to the 20 year conclusion ?


User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
The A350 beats the 787, the A380 beats the 747, the only thing where Boeing can compete is the T7 against the A340. QR could have gone for 6 A345 and 14 A346HGW, but they probably don't want to be all-Airbus.

Where do you get your information? You post nothing but pure opinion with no fact.

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
They waiting for the launch and all the specs of the plane.

See...even the airlines don't have the information you're trying to speculate on.


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
The A350 beats the 787,

How so? We have no plane. We have no project. We have no launch. We have multiple sets of proposed specifications.

Vapor beats aircraft in production..... Whoops - it is Airbus after all.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
QR could have gone for 6 A345 and 14 A346HGW, but they probably don't want to be all-Airbus.

I bet you're saying the same about the TAM order. The 777 is simply the best large twin engine out the and the sales prove it!



That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineBirdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
The A350 beats the 787

What A350? It isn't even a paper airplane now. Nobody knows what the "all new A350" will be since they decided not to build the previously announced A350XWB.

Your statement is like saying: "The A390 beats the 797." It's meaningless.

In fairness, I'll agree that we do know the following: it will have two wings, one tail, and two engines.



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 18):
What A350? It isn't even a paper airplane now. Nobody knows what the "all new A350" will be since they decided not to build the previously announced A350XWB.

Your statement is like saying: "The A390 beats the 797." It's meaningless.

In fairness, I'll agree that we do know the following: it will have two wings, one tail, and two engines.

Come on dude! We all know what he meant! Yes, there is such as a thing as A350, no it hasn't been launched yet--yet we know its basic facts.

So, don't act like sooo "what the heck is an A350's" where both you and me know it exists--its on paper alright; but not in the public's hands.

I hope the A350 will win the order; I hope Airbus can effiently deliever those planes within their designated time frame without delays.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7173 times:
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Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Boeing needs to bring the 787 and 747-8 out, this far there are quiet a few problems with the 787, and the 747-8 seems to be nothing more than a good freighter.

The 787's weight issues seem to be due mostly to overbuilding parts. Correcting that will not only reduce weight, but also reduce cost, resulting in a cheaper plane for airlines to buy.

And pre-production test runs seem to be going so well that Boeing is now preparing to increase production on the existing line, as well as seriously now considering opening a second line, so Boeing could be able to deliver close to 1000 787s before the A350 family enters service.  eyepopping 

As for the 747-8, if all she ever sells is as a freighter, it's still hundreds of more sales for not much more overhead, which means billions of profits for Boeing.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Especially to the 20 year old 777. Honestly, do you not believe the A350 can beat the 787 when it comes out so much later?

The idea that the A350 won't beat the (then 20-year old) B777 is just wishful thinking on the part of kool-aid drinking Boeing cheerleaders. As for the A350 vs. B787, we'll have to wait and see. The show will be worth the price of admission.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 13):
No I cannot.

Your problem.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 13):
Apparently the A380 is still overweight and obviously behind schedule 6 years after launching, producing and flight testing, Thor. That is the program that's having major difficulties.

Concerning the production rate. But at least it is there and meets the expectations concerning the performance.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 13):
And it's not "quiet" it's quite, I think you should look at correcting your spelling before correct that of others.

I'm not a native and I'll always spell "Airbus" right. Besides, I'll try to get that one right in the future, always willing to improve.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 14):
So airbus was developing the 787 and now switched to developing the A350?

Have you taken your medicine, today?

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 14):
And Airbus needs to launch the A350 and need to decide which of the various versions being tabled will be picked , then find and allocate money to the project ( current estimates at 12 billion$) and get their acts together and actually pull off the project on time .

Certainly, I won't disagree with that.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 14):
How did you arrive to the 20 year conclusion ?

From 1994 to 2014.

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 15):
Where do you get your information? You post nothing but pure opinion with no fact.

Concerning which part, precisely?

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 16):
How so? We have no plane. We have no project. We have no launch. We have multiple sets of proposed specifications.

Vapor beats aircraft in production..... Whoops - it is Airbus after all.

Just wait until 2014.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):
I bet you're saying the same about the TAM order.

Yes, too large to be all-Airbus and the 764 wasn't really an alternative.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):
The 777 is simply the best large twin engine out the and the sales prove it!

The 777 is an engine?  Confused The T7 is currently the best twin of all twins larger than the A333, no disagreement.

Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 18):
What A350? It isn't even a paper airplane now. Nobody knows what the "all new A350" will be since they decided not to build the previously announced A350XWB.

There has been no final decision. But the final decision will be to build a plane that is better than the 787.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
Boeing needs to bring the 787 and 747-8 out, this far there are quiet a few problems with the 787, and the 747-8 seems to be nothing more than a goodfreighter.

What are these 'quite a few problems' and how to the differ from any other airliner in history? I'm curious to hear your answer to this, I'm sure it will be good for a lark...



I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
The idea that the A350 won't beat the (then 20-year old) B777 is just wishful thinking on the part of kool-aid drinking Boeing cheerleaders.

I agree. You can't compare the two aircraft. They're different generation aircraft. And to think the A350 will be less economical than the 777 is pure delusion.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7331 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 24):
What are these 'quite a few problems'rnand how to the differ from any other airliner in history? I'm curiousrnto hear your answer to this, I'm sure it will be good for arnlark...

Weight issues, wiring, composite stability. I read somewhere about shouting duels between engineers. Ts ts.

Every airliner has its problems, some have more, others have less, it's normal.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 23):
Have you taken your medicine, today?

You forgot to tell me what you were taking ! What i meant was that your assumption that the A350 would be more advanced then the 787 based on the fact that it is comming later doesnt hold water simply because it is comming later due to the fact that airbus missed the boat in recoganizing a effeceint mid sized aircraft and didnt pursue the technologies such as CFRP fues.,Bleedless engines,Higher humidity etc choosing instead to spend the billions in R and D on the super jumbo . They now have to spend the 12 billion in developing many things that boeing has allready developed for the dreamliner , comming up with new production techniques and getting patents ( like what boeing got for the dreamliner) etc etc . This is a long road ( 7 years from launch to EIS) something that boeing has taken when the dumped the Sonic cruiser and went in for the 7E7 .

Quoting Thorben (Reply 23):
From 1994 to 2014.

I thought that you meant it was 20 years old now !

Quoting Thorben (Reply 23):
Concerning which part, precisely?

Regarding Specs of the new Mkii version of the XWB , there is nothing new released from Airbus . Airbus hasnt revealed anything including wether the new jet will have CFRP excl. Fues. , bleedless engines , EIS in 2012,2013 or 2014 etc etc Unless they have said that publically and you can back it up with a source to enlighten us all .

Quoting Thorben (Reply 23):
Just wait until 2014.

Will wait the 8 long years for the XWB development cycle  Wink

Quoting Thorben (Reply 23):
There has been no final decision. But the final decision will be to build a plane that is better than the 787.

That is laughable ! So you can provide no source , no new technology that the XWB will incorporate to be " BETTER" infact you cannot even provide credible source to suggest that the XWB will incorporate all of the 787's technologies ( let alone anything extra) , it will use same engines etc etc Infact we done even know the CFRP thing and the EIS yet you making such a statment means simply that it is an OPINION w/o any factual backing . Infact the way the original XWB was planned it only had one varient competing with the 787 directly whereas the other 2 were competing with the 777 which is "20 years old" .


User currently offlineHB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 817 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 24):
What are these 'quite a few problems' and how to the differ from any other airliner in history? I'm curious to hear your answer to this, I'm sure it will be good for a lark...

I think some of the "quite a few problems" which have been floating around as scuttlebut recently in the industry are related to issues that actually _are_ a little different from those encountered with other programs - for example, the massive level of outsourcing of R&D and production, large composite part count etc etc. Some of the problems I've heard around are more reflective of the unique things about the 787 design and production, not of the more traditional problems that crop up in aircraft development.

Still though, that doesn't mean to say that they aren't routine in the context of largely composite aircraft built mostly my external suppliers - and will be solved as a matter of routine.  Wink


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6944 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 23):
Yes, too large to be all-Airbus and the 764 wasn't really an alternative.

Too large to be all-Airbus? Please elaborate. And what's the relevance of the B764 here?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 26):
Weight issues, wiring, composite stability. I read somewhere about shouting duels between engineers.

Source? Link?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 26):
Every airliner has its problems, some have more, others have less, it's normal.

The A380's delay is not normal - it's unique.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 27):
What i meant was that your assumption that the A350 would be more advanced then the 787 based on the fact that it is comming later doesnt hold water simply because it is comming later due to the fact that airbus missed the boat in recoganizing a effeceint mid sized aircraft and didnt pursue the technologies such as CFRP fues.,Bleedless engines,Higher humidity etc choosing instead to spend the billions in R and D on the super jumbo .

Technology develops fast these days. A plane that comes four or more years later into service can use technologies that an earlier plane couldn't. Airbus has proven to be a good planemaker, four years of technological advantage - plus the fact that they know their competitor - will be enough to get ahead of it.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 27):
Regarding Specs of the new Mkii version of the XWB , there is nothing new released from Airbus . Airbus hasnt revealed anything including wether the new jet will have CFRP excl. Fues. , bleedless engines , EIS in 2012,2013 or 2014 etc etc Unless they have said that publically and you can back it up with a source to enlighten us all .

We know the current XWB. There won't be much of a change from that, the size will stay, maybe they'll change the materials of the fuselage.


Quoting Bringiton (Reply 27):
Will wait the 8 long years for the XWB development cycle Wink

Maybe they'll do it in seven.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 27):
That is laughable ! So you can provide no source , no new technology that the XWB will incorporate to be " BETTER" infact you cannot even provide credible source to suggest that the XWB will incorporate all of the 787's technologies ( let alone anything extra) , it will use same engines etc etc Infact we done even know the CFRP thing and the EIS yet you making such a statment means simply that it is an OPINION w/o any factual backing . Infact the way the original XWB was planned it only had one varient competing with the 787 directly whereas the other 2 were competing with the 777 which is "20 years old" .

Given that the 789 is almost the size of the 772, competing with both shouldn't be that hard. The A358 will compete with the 788 and the A3510 will compete with the 77W.

For the rest, see my top answer.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):

Boeing needs to bring the 787 and 747-8 out, this far there are quiet a few problems with the 787,

Do you have proof of your "quite a few problems" comments? Can you back them up in any sort of way?

Apropos...EK's Clark has stated that the current A350XWB-1000 isn't wide enough for EK....

"but the [350-seat] -1000 is still not big enough.""*

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25 RJ111 : Well good to see QR have faith in Airbus. Hopefully a few more operators who've order various editions of the A350 will follow suit and keep the compe
26 Bringiton : Please highlight some of the technologies which will be available for the XWB but werent available for the Dreamliner No doubt ! They thoroughly dese
27 Post contains images Osiris30 : Weight issues (which have been quantified at around 5K lbs over target, not contract weight) as hardly abnormal. Wiring, I haven't heard the details.
28 Post contains images BoomBoom : Scuttlebut? That's your source? Sorry, you have to do better than that.
29 Rheinbote : So so...Wot would zat be, for example? Pluralis majestatis?
30 HB88 : Uh oh heeeeeere we go again. Actually. No. I don't have to do better than that. No sirreee. Absolutely not. 'rotfl'. Scuttlebutt is scuttlebutt. Out
31 Post contains images Osiris30 : From experience scuttlebut it usually: 50% idle speculation 30% wishful thinking 10% envy 10% factual But that all depends on who's but you're scuttl
32 Katekebo : Ironically, this is quite a true statement. I have no doubt that Airbus is capable of designing and producing an airplane that will match (and maybe
33 Flysherwood : Thorben, there you go again. Did you really say that the A350 is superior to the 787? What are you talking about? How does a plane that is not even l
34 BoomBoom : The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
35 Mptpa : One can ONLY hope..... If they had faith, they would have ordered the aircraft a LONG time ago! seems to me like a "public exit clause" they are tryi
36 Zvezda : Airbus did great things when Jean Pierson was in the driver's seat. Noel Forgeard ran Airbus off the track into the weeds. There is no reason to beli
37 Post contains images Rheinbote : Not to forget humarn resource issues. Is the current long range aircraft production line sustainable until the advent of the XWB? If part of the work
38 Post contains images Osiris30 : Blasphemy.. how dare you speak of 'business' issues on A.net. It's all about the planes stupid!!! Everyone knows that.. or at least the Airbus fans d
39 Jacobin777 : The A380 (as well as the A345/A346) weren't all of Forgeard's decisions..it included a board of directors as well as various governments.....
40 HB88 : For me scuttlebut is pretty much idle speculation. It's not wishful thinking as many of the suppliers for the 787 are also Airbus suppliers. If they
41 787engineer : Just because a plane enters service 5-6 years later doesn't mean it will definitely be the better plane. The 737NG isn't beating the socks off the A3
42 AutoThrust : WHY?? You just want deny or you know any facts about Airbus "programs" we dont know or is the "holy" 787 unbeatable or you dont want to imagine somet
43 Post contains images KSUpilot : 7-8-7...that's not how you type A380! [Edited 2006-11-06 23:22:05]
44 Post contains images BoomBoom : Idle: adj Lazy. Lacking substance, value, or basis. Speculation: noun A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture. I think you hit the nai
45 Post contains images Pygmalion : Great Post. Its Airbus's game to lose or to compete. I am more concerned with Airbus management's commitment to fixing their design integration, soft
46 Post contains images OU812 : Which one of the six A350 versions beats the 787 ? Correction ! The A380 beats every Jetliner , when it comes to EIS ! It's # 1
47 Post contains links Thorben : I read it, over a few month and on the internet in credible sources, i don't feel like searching it now, because it would take probably a few hours t
48 Post contains images 787engineer : Considering the timing of the A350, and what new technologies they plan to implemment I don't see it beating out the 787. At least not like the 777 h
49 Post contains links Thorben : The one that will be built. Like the 747 never had problems. Rest, here is a good article: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_25/b398904
50 Bringiton : So in other words , you cannot provide the MAGIC CREDIBLE SOURCE that eluded all but you ! So which advanced tech. will airbus adapt ? Will they atle
51 Pygmalion : Yep, but you have to use/implement them... the 777 had a fully integrated digital mockup in 1994 and all Boeing planes since have used it or a improv
52 EbbUK : You are getting all fired up today mate. Of all your responses the one above is quite an exquisite retort. Back to topic, good thing Airbus can rely
53 Bringiton : I am not sure about the good things but if they take some tough descisions now ( like go in for the CFRP XWB) good things will surely happen rather q
54 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Yes, I meant big enough.....regardless, you have no quotes..I quoted a comment of EK's Clark from flightinternational.com..which is considered to be
55 EmmenezMoi : Yoda, you're back!
56 Post contains images BoomBoom : Okay, I confess. I didn't write this myself, I plagiarized it from some guy named William Shakespeare. Ever heard of him?
57 Zvezda : The B787-9 has a cabin floor area of 279.0 sq meters, compared to 291.0 sq meters for the B777-200. That's 95.9%. Is that near enough to be called th
58 Stitch : Yet about all it shared with that concept is the width of the fuselage. If the 737NG had just been the 737 Classic with slightly improved engines, it
59 FlyMD : The A350 beats the B787?. Okay, lets be real. Airbus designed the A350 and realized that it was a piece of crap that no one really wanted. So they "r
60 Zvezda : IIRC, the A350 Mk. I also included a significant range boost that required increasing the OEW and the CASM, but still fell far short of the B787's ra
61 Post contains images AutoThrust : Sure, without a doubt you know more about how planes are designed and buildt and other related things, my point is just: We even dont know the final
62 Post contains images PlaneHunter : That still doesn't help to prove your point. Yes it had, but not comparable to the A380. PH
63 Zvezda : That's not true. One just has to be constructive and balanced about it to avoid most (not all) flames. I get flamed more by the pro-Airbus side than
64 Brendows : It seems as if the latest iteration of the A350 that has been presented to airlines doesn't have that range, at least not the base version of the A35
65 Bringiton : Do you have any source for that? I thought Airbus PR material still said 8500nm however i'm pretty positive that with the weight savings from going C
66 Post contains links Brendows : Sorry, I do not have a source from an online magazine or something like that if that was what you were thinking of. Yes, as it were presented at Farn
67 Post contains images 787engineer : On the same note, how can one be so sure that the A350XWB will beat the 787? Considering what we know today, as far as technologies Airbus wishes to
68 Osiris30 : " target=_blank>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine....html So you turned weight into wiring and composite stability on your own.. good show! And you
69 Pygmalion : The A350XYZ will be just as good as Airbus decides to invest the time and money to make it.... Okay thats tortured english but the point is real. Airb
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