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Where Will Cathay Pacific's B773ERs Go?  
User currently offlineKwcarolma From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8917 times:

I'm not sure if it's discussed before. But still would like to open this topic for discussion.

In last December Cathay placed an order to purchase 16 B777-300ER and 3 A330-300. And in last June it also add two more B777-300ER to the book. My questions are:

Where are they gonna put these B773ER?

Will these B773ER replace the current A343s and B744?

I've heard of a rumour that they will be used to operate regional routes but I'm in doubt as these aircraft are definitely designed for long-haul routes.

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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

JFK will be among the first-wave destination to get 77W.


77W will be part of the long-haul replacement+expansion so no, they'll not be flying exclusively regional route unless Hong Kong's climate goes Dubai style.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

The first route will be HKG-JFK non stop. The second route will also be HKG-JFK non-stop. The third route will be HKG-YYZ non-stop. After that will likely be to LAX.

The A340-600s will be leaving at the end of next year apparently.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 1):
long-haul replacement+expansion

Expansion you say....
HKG-ORD maybe?



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2978 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Perhaps upgrade some of the A343/333 routes or fly multiple frequencies where the 744 is done only one daily.
Assuming the 773ER is going to be three-cabin plane HKG to SYD/MEL are possbilities.
CX could look at flying four daily to LAX with two westbound daytime flights instead of the current one.
HKG-SFO from one daily to two daily with one of each daytime and night time westbound flights.
Upgrade the two westbound daytime HKG-LHR flights.
Just to name some possibilities.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

When will the 777-300ER take over JFK?


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8589 times:
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With LAX having three daily flights, perhaps one of the three will be swapped with a 77W.
Has anyone heard if LAX will go all 77W? If so, maybe they will add an additional daylight flight as mentioned by Carpethead.
LACA773


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 2):
The A340-600s will be leaving at the end of next year apparently.

If so does anyone now where they will be going? VS perhaps?

Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):
HKG-ORD maybe?

Would be ideal considering it is an AA hub


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8543 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 2):
The first route will be HKG-JFK non stop. The second route will also be HKG-JFK non-stop

JFK will be going 3x daily I assume?



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 8):
JFK will be going 3x daily I assume?

I'm guessing HKG-YVR-JFK will be dropped in favor for a second daily HKG-JFK? Which would mean only two daily flights.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Assuming the 773ER is going to be three-cabin plane HKG to SYD/MEL are possbilities.

There are zero plans for the 777s to go to Australia at all. The company like the A330s there and have no plans to change....having said that, plans change all the time.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 9):
I'm guessing HKG-YVR-JFK will be dropped in favor for a second daily HKG-JFK? Which would mean only two daily flights

There has been no rumour about this, however Cathay makes good money between YVR-JFK so I don't think they would be looking to drop this. Change back to a smaller aircraft like a 343 maybe.


User currently offlineSA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

I would also presume that they will be used on the JNB route as i saw that they are flying the 744 to JNB again.

User currently offlineKwcarolma From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 2):

CX flyboy do you know if A343s will be phasing out upon the 77Ws enter the fleet? I think CX still need them for those long thin routes in the forseeable future.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

AKL at some stage will see the 77W's, on another board someone mentioned that AKL would be after JFK though I don't no that it will be that soon.

Any idea on the number of seats these aircraft will have? I've heard that they will be a mixture of 2 and 3 class.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6639 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Quoting Kwcarolma (Reply 12):
CX flyboy do you know if A343s will be phasing out upon the 77Ws enter the fleet? I think CX still need them for those long thin routes in the forseeable future.

The 343s will stay for the time being as far as I know, although there are a few leased ones which may be returned fairly initially. I do not know though and nothing has been announced about this.

AKL will eventually be a 77W destination, although initially it will be those places where the extra legs of the 77W are needed, i.e. JFK, YYZ, LAX and JNB.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3829 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7):
Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):
HKG-ORD maybe?

Would be ideal considering it is an AA hub

It would be great to see CX 773ERs (and CX passenger service in general) at ORD... but I still see AA launching the route, not CX. Remember, AA wants to grow their Asian presence at ORD beyond NRT, DEL, and PVG with their own fleet and not necessarily the birds of oneworld partners.



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 2):
The first route will be HKG-JFK non stop. The second route will also be HKG-JFK non-stop. The third route will be HKG-YYZ non-stop. After that will likely be to LAX.

Any news about the second daily HKG-YYZ which has been long rumoured?

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 14):
AKL will eventually be a 77W destination, although initially it will be those places where the extra legs of the 77W are needed, i.e. JFK, YYZ, LAX and JNB.

Is there any European destinations in the pipe for the CX B77W ?


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8502 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6539 times:
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It will be great to se the interiors with the new seating in First, Business and Coach. LAX & SFO will probably remain 744, the capacity demands it and they can't fly nonstop to JFK or YYZ from HKG.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

CX 346 are leased from ILCF, 4 in all?

My guess is either VS/SAA/LH might buy them for a good price.

Micke//  Smile



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
CX 346 are leased from ILCF, 4 in all?

IIRC they have three and are all leased indeed. Not sure when that expires though.

I'm guessing AMS is not premium enough to warrant the 77W? The 2-class a343 is probably best for the HKG-AMS route. I guess there's a reason KL has no first class. I'm eager to try CX out in march!!



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User currently offlineKwcarolma From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6045 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
......and they can't fly nonstop to JFK or YYZ from HKG.

You mean CX or their B744? Smile For JFK there's one daily nonstop flight from HKG with a A346.

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
CX 346 are leased from ILCF, 4 in all?

There're totally three in the fleet at the moment. Among them two are leased.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6017 times:
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Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 14):
AKL will eventually be a 77W destination,

I thought that the 773ER are all going to have 1st class ? I wouldn't have thought that there was sufficient demand ex AKL for first class to warrant CX putting a 3 class a/c on the route



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 18):
LAX & SFO will probably remain 744, the capacity demands it and they can't fly nonstop to JFK or YYZ from HKG.

The 747-400 flies HKG-YVR direct.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2349 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

I wonder if Cathay will consider Houston IAH as a next destination? IAH has seen a bunch of growth from Asia recently...Pakistani, China Airlines, Emirates, and now looking to have a Korean Air Cargo operation.


Just food for thought!


ATCT



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25 Jimyvr : They'd pretty much open DFW before IAH where DFW is oneWorld hub. DFW has been on CX's radar for a while
26 Centrair : Couldn't AA and CX do the route? UA currently uses a 747-400 AA would use a 777-200ER CX could use a 777-300ER
27 AirbusfanYYZ : Did I miss something, since when does EK serve IAH? Cheers, Kaz
28 FWAERJ : Of course, AA and CX could both do ORD-HKG if they so choose. However, as AA and CX are both oneworld partners with codesharing agreements, I think t
29 CX flyboy : No news about that I'm afraid. Not even hot rumours. it will be several years before Europe sees a CX 77W. Probably in the next decade. The 77Ws will
30 Kaitak744 : Likely the desert. The CX A340-600s are the worst A340-600s around. (being the first off the line) Airbus built them with abnormally heavy wings, mak
31 CX flyboy : Rumours are that a new operator has already been found for all 3 aircraft.
32 Post contains images Jacobin777 : They could bring the 77W here to SFO......though I doubt it as their 744s are usually packed....having said that, it was nice to see a CX 744 on final
33 AlitaliaMD11 : I read that the Fly3x2 (the new Air Luxor) was looking to lease a A340-600 for operations this summer. Perhaps they will be a taker?
34 CX flyboy : The 346s will not be available till year end 2007, so I doubt it.
35 Post contains links and images BlazingCessna : You didn't, someone needs a nap. Pakistani??? ATCT, here is a link for you www.flightaware.com.
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