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Why Are AA's DFW Flights To Lgw?  
User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Ok, here's my question...
American's big hub and base is at Dallas-Ft. Worth although I know that they have a lot more European flights from Chicago and more Latin American flights from Miami but I think that Dallas should still be important to them. So why do they fly their great 777s to London-Gatwick? Why not heathrow? Send Miami or some other destination to Gatwick, Heathrow's slots are too valuable. How about a smaller market like Boston or (as previously mentioned) Miami. Is it because the only other airline to Dallas from London is on BA and that flight is to LGW and it is the only airport that there is no competition with the Heathrow route. Wow did I just answer my own question or am I totally wrong and stupid?
Thanks,
Aaron

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

The reason is due to the Bermuda II agreement on trans-Atlantic operations.

I believe the only airlines that can fly from London-Heathrow (LHR) to the USA are UA, DL, BA and VS. If they ever build Terminal 5 at LHR I think we may see both AA and CO get landing slots at LHR.


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Sorry umm, no American is one of the four airlines included in that. Delta does not have permission to fly to Heathrow. American flies there from LAX, SFO (I think), Chicago, New York JFK, New York Newark, Miami, Boston and Washington DC Dulles. Dallas is the only place they don't fly from the US to Heathrow.
-Aaron


User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

The Bermuda II treaty does not allow service from Heathrow to DFW. DFW can only be served from LGW, this goes for as well as IAH, BWI, MCO, etc.

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Actually, the only airlines allowed to operate from the United States to London Heathrow are BA, AA, UA, and VS. AA aquired their landing rights through TWA in '91, as did UA from Pan Am.

Bermuda II also provides for only a certain number of cities which can have non-stop Heathrow service, of which the cities of Dallas/Ft. Worth were not included (I'll try to find a complete list). That is why DFW (and PHX, DEN, CLT, etc.) cannot have non-stop LHR flights.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

AA also flies from RDU-LGW, and I think two or more other cities have flights to LGW by AA since they have 7(or 6) flights a day to LGW and DFW and RDU combined are 3 flights.
blink182



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

American doesn't fly internationally out of SFO.

User currently offlineTexairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

As stated earlier, AA, BA, VS, and UA are the "Heathrow Four."

Only 8 cities are allowed service to Heathrow (non-stop or otherwise) per Bermuda II: New York, Boston, Miami, Chicago, LA, SF, Washington, and Seattle.

All others have to serve Gatwick or Stansted


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Whoa, so does that mean that United is going to be starting their first service to Gatwick soon? They're starting Denver-London service, I asummed to heathrow but I guess I was wrong, as usual. Thanks for responding, if there's anything else important please mention it.
-Aaron


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Actually, the ELEVEN airports allowed non-stop service to LHR under Bermuda II are :

BOS
JFK
EWR
MIA
PHL
SEA
DTW
SEA
LAX
SFO
ORD


User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

AA does not fly IAD-LHR. UA fly that route 3x daily, 4x in the summer.

-keww


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

B747-437B,

You have SEA listed twice. What is the other mystery airport?


User currently offlineFjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

It is DEN, I think


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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

I figure i should add this to blinks post...AA's RDU-LGW originates im DFW,with a 767-200...not sure the load though on that route


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User currently offlineSn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

I don't think the missing city would be Denver. Why would BA serve it from LGW if it could from LHR. Also, DFW and IAH are much larger airports with much larger populations than DEN, as well as having continuous nonstop London services since the 70's when BCAL started to fly them. Trust me, Denver IS DEFINITELY NOT one of cities allowed by the Bermuda II agreement; IAH or DFW would have higher priority on getting on that exclusive list. There might not even be a missing city; there might be really 10, and SEA twice is a misprint.

User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

The missing city is Washington Dulles IAD.

User currently offlineJderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1755 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

this is kinda off topic, but why are there so many international airlines at IAH (i.e. AF, KLM) rather than DFW. yes, houston may be a larger city than Dallas, but is houston bigger than dallas and fort worth combined??? I would think that DFW would have more int'l traffic. anyone else agree?? blink182 do you have any comments on this???

jderden777



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User currently offlineTexairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

I would guess Houston gets more because of the Oil industry, NASA, and it's a major shipping port.

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