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FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5754 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36615 times:

Just out on Bloomberg
FED EX cancels 10 x A380F order!!!!
Fed Ex buys 15 x 777F plus options for 15 more 777.

Details to follow!

[Edited 2006-11-07 17:12:33]

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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36681 times:

Are you kidding or is this for real?

User currently offlineSilver764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36648 times:

ON Fed Ex
November 07, 2006 11:09 AM Eastern Time
FedEx Express to Acquire Boeing 777 Freighters
Company Cancels A380 Order

MEMPHIS, Tenn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--FedEx Express, a unit of FedEx Corp. (NYSE: FDX), announced today an agreement with The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA) to acquire 15 new Boeing 777 Freighter aircraft with options to purchase an additional 15 aircraft. The decision to purchase the 777F was made after Airbus announced significant delays in delivery of the A380. FedEx Express notified Airbus that it has cancelled its order for 10 A380-800Fs.

"Global demand for air cargo and express services continues to grow rapidly and FedEx has made significant investments in our network to meet customers’ needs and fulfill our business objectives. Therefore, it was necessary and prudent for us to acquire the Boeing 777 Freighter." said Frederick W. Smith, chairman, president and chief executive officer, FedEx Corp. “The availability and delivery timing of this aircraft, coupled with its attractive payload range and economics, make this choice the best decision for FedEx, its customers, shareowners and employees.”

FedEx Express continues to be Airbus' largest wide-body airplane customer and will add additional new and used Airbus wide-body aircraft to its fleet in coming years. Six new A300-600 aircraft are scheduled to join the FedEx fleet in 2007.


User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36596 times:

What betting that in the future all those early pax 777As that nobody wants will be purple package freighters? The MD10/11s days are numbered.

Certainly didn't see this one coming!

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36590 times:

Two words: Holy Cow.

This is a blow to the A380F. too bad.

Good for the 777F...

I wonder what UPS' thoughts are now...

Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36583 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Just out on Bloomberg
FED EX cancels 10 x A380F order!!!!
Fed Ex buys 15 x 777F plus options for 15 more 777.

If this is actually true then it sure is a surprise. I would have imagined UPS doing something like this but not FedEx.


Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5754 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36595 times:

FEd EX cited Airbus's delay in the A380 program for cancelllation.

Receives 4 x777 in '09, 8 x 777 in '10, and 3 x 777 in '11

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5754 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36453 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
If this is actually true then it sure is a surprise.

It's true. First A380 cancellation.

Guess it was inevitable.

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36453 times:

Awesome news! Congrats Boeing and FedEx!

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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36447 times:

Oops....now it's up to the "brown-coloured tail" airline to decide about the fate of A380F....

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36446 times:

Stunning is all I can say. Like others, I had almost expected this from UPS, but FEDEX? No way. Just as large as the A380 cancellation IMO is the fact that this huge 777F order (15 x 15) just about guarantees the success of this program. Simply incredible news.

"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36323 times:

The only positive outcome I can see with all of this is availability of the slots A380 pax. Other than this it sure is a major blow to the A380 Freighter program.

So this just leaves UPS with 10x A380F + ILFC with 5x A380F.


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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36319 times:

Its rather surprising news and IMO a bad one from FX. The A380F I think is perfectly suited for FX and UPS with 2 floors that provides a lot of space for parcel cargo. I don't blame traditional cargo carriers for not going with the 747-8F, but for parcel carriers I think 380F is the best choice, very surprising news and big blow to 380F program.
Wasn't FX brass raving about the 380F and how they will buy all the old pax versions and convert them to Freighters come 2020? What happened between then and now?

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5754 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36319 times:

Yeah I'm wondering if UPS cancels, would Airbus continue on with the A380F? All the bulk carriers are not buying it and now the package carriers have their doubts underscored by Fed Ex's cancellation.

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36327 times:

I would expect UPS to convert to some 777F or 787F soon. Not from inside knowledge.. but they have been very vocal about it and are probably awaiting to see when and how much they could get...

This is pretty sad that Airbus is losing customer confidence like this.. I really hope they can get themselves in gear..

Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36314 times:

wow, I never expected this  eek 

But anyway, great news for Boeing and FX  Smile


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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36323 times:

This is probably the beginning of the end for the A380F, with only one airline customer and 15 orders left.


[Edited 2006-11-07 17:33:39]

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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36314 times:

haha, i wonder how airbus feels. Maybe they realize now they need to hurry the A380 up.

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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36324 times:

Major blow ! The year is getting better and better for the 777 . Qatar announce that it is exerc. 20 options for the T7 , now the 15 F's and 4 777 for TAM . Boeing has more then doubled its 777 orders for the year in the last few weeks.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5754 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36320 times:

No such thing as a 787F, yet but UPS is for sure looking at a combo of 748F and 777F if they decide to cancel there A380 order.

I wonder what ILFC would do then?

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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36319 times:

Great news for the 777F programme.

When was FX expecting first delivery of the 380F anyway?

Not good for Airbus, and not for the EA programme either.


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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36174 times:

YES!!!! I'm so happy they cancelled the whalejet and went with the 777. Way to go FedEx


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25334 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36175 times:

I can see Fedex beginning an eventual very large relationship with the 777F as the worlds MD-11 supply is being depleted.

Also interesting to note, Fedex had planned to use the A380F for intra-hub flying trying to avoid the current practice wing tip to wing tip flying performed by multiples of smaller types.

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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36175 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
If this is actually true then it sure is a surprise.

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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 36172 times:

Fedex was the least customer I expected to cancel the A380.
Sad news for Airbus but congrats to Boeing for winning another customer for the 777F.

It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
25 FlyingHippo : Wouldn't 748F be a better fit for FedEx as they carry more volume intensive cargos? 777F is a great freighter for heavy cargos, unless FedEx changes i
26 WINGS : True, although I would not have expected it from FedEx. I still remain confident that FedEx will end up operating the A380 in the future. Even if it'
27 Petazulu : Wow. I mean talk about losing a key customer... If Airbus does not get its crap together soon. Stakes are very high for 1000's of people with good pay
28 DeltaGuy : Wow, great move for FedEx! Looking forward to seeing a 777 in purple. The beginning of the end for the 380F? DeltaGuy
29 BuyantUkhaa : While it is bad news for Airbus, I think the question whether the 380F is in jeopardy is not that relevant. As long as the overall A380 program stays
30 Post contains links and images BoeingFever777 : Just saw it on Bloomberg here and it is FOR REAL! FXramper had called me yesterday in MEM and told me this could happen within the next 24-48hrs. Gues
31 Katekebo : Congratulations to FedEx and Boeing. As for the A380 cancellation - it was inevitable, a matter of "when" rather then "if". Airbus has stretched the p
32 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Well, here you go! Modified Airliner Photos:Design © EDINEYTemplate © PHILLIPE NORET 2H4
33 NYC777 : The A380 F is also delayed (all deliveries were pushed further to the right. Thus Fed Ex's decision. That is why UPS is reconsidering their decision.
34 AirFrnt : I am actually pretty shocked that this order went 77F rather then 748. So much for the frequent line from the A380 apologists that volume, not weight
35 Post contains links Leelaw : Certainly a dramatic u-turn in strategic thinking in just over one-year's time: "FedEx outlines its A380F fleet expansion strategy" http://www.flightg
36 UAL777UK : Jeez............what a nice little earner for Boeing! The 380 programme goes from bad to worse!
37 Scorpio : Wow.... Hadn't expected that one! Congratulations to Boeing. As for Airbus, well, you've brought it on yourselves!
38 NYC777 : It's strange but Fed Ex placed their A380F order in 2003 or 2004 (I forget when) so they're a relatively new customer to the A380 program but one of t
39 Lumberton : I thought the ILFC A380Fs were the two for EK, which have since been converted to A380 pax? If so, then UPS is the only A380F customer remaining.
40 Stitch : I am honestly not trying to be sensationalist, but this strikes me as a serious blow to the A380F program. If the package carriers are starting to hav
41 Lotsamiles : Wow, anyone with a FedEx A380 model will have a real collector's item now... Just think of the millions that FedEx already spent in preparing for the
42 Lumberton : Just surmising based on capacities, but I'd guess that the 777F is the replacement aircraft for FEDEX's massive DC-10 fleet.[Edited 2006-11-07 17:42:
43 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : I thought EK had some A380F on order... or on that?
44 NYC777 : Airbus' reaction: "Airbus regrets the decison made by FedEx, but we understand their need to urgently address their capacity growth," saind Barbara Kr
45 Post contains links and images Danny : Well, "The World on time" is Fedex slogan, the acted accordingly. View Large View MediumPhoto © Daniel Wojdylo Looks like VLA market is more and
46 Jimyvr : FedEx is also taking option for 15 777F, so total eventually will be 30 No. They converted it back to A380Pax and went on ordered 10 747-8F and 10 on
47 NYC777 : Not necessarily. If the rumors are correct than Boeing may have it's first 748I order this month and don't forget EK and BA among others.
48 ERJ170 : From the initial article, it states the 777F are to replace th MD-11 with added cargo capacity and an extra 2200nm. Not a bad payoff.. And as FedEx h
49 NYC777 : Now you weren't expecting an A380 at RDU, were you?
50 Alitalia744 : Did I mention the A380 in my post WINGS? It is in fact awesome news for Boeing and the 777 and for FedEx as well. Do not try and turn my comments int
51 LTU932 : Somehow, I'm not surprised about FX cancelling the A380F, though I thought that if they cancel it, they'd go for the 747-8F, but I guess the 777-200F
52 ERJ170 : Ahahahahaha.. just if they were diverted from MEM.. but otherwise no.. but can't I dream... course, there is a 777 at RDU everyday.. so it isn't a bi
53 NYC777 : Nope Wing's is correct. There is only the 10 for UPS and 5 for ILFC. EK had ordered them through ILFC but converted those to the passenger model.
54 BoeingFever777 : I see... Wonder what they will do next now?
55 NYC777 : Interesting but Fed Ex didn't opt for the A332F (I know it's not launched but they could have converted it into an LoI).
56 Katekebo : The main reason may be timing - the B777F is available earlier than the B748F. But I wouldn't be surprized to see a follow-up order for B748F later (
57 LTU932 : You're probably right. Does anyone know when the first 777-200F will roll off the line?
58 RichardPrice : Not looking too good for the A380F, but pretty inevitable really.
59 Katekebo : Simple anwer - too small. They need a freighter at least as big as MD11, preferably bigger.
60 AV8AJET : Wow..did MEM airport pay for the airport to handle the A380F? I'm not sure so that's why I'm asking, but if the airport did will there be any fines to
61 Post contains images Lumberton : What if UPS were to pick up the 10 delivery slots?
62 PlaneHunter : The first delivery is planned in 10/08 (Air France). PH
63 Art : I think that's the point of the whole thing. It is difficult to plan a business if your plans are then skewed by a supplier postponing delivery. Then
64 AV8AJET : Hope so!
65 AirbusfanYYZ : Wow an almost fatal blow IMHO to the A380F programme! I'm almost as shocked by the news as hearing SQ chose the A350 a few months ago. Cheers, Kaz
66 Post contains images BlatantEcho : I find the comment about the 772A models insightful. Could see FedEx gulping up a grip of 'older' 777s and converting them to Freighters. 2015ish....
67 BlueFlyer : Actually, FedEx was one of the earliest boosters of the A380 program. FedEx worked hand in hand with Airbus on this, and even hosted conferences on b
68 Post contains links Jimyvr : Airbus statement by Reuters "Airbus regrets FedEx's decision but we understand their need to urgently address capacity issues," said an Airbus spokesm
69 NYC777 : Well from the looks of it they will now be receiving 4 777F (2009) before they received their first A380F (2010). So it looks like they picking more
70 Stitch : Just a guess, but perhaps FX feels that the MD-11F/DC-10F fleet has served them well at the top end, so perhaps they want to continue with that strat
71 Lotsamiles : The more I think about this it seems that in choosing the 777F over the 748F the door is still open to come back to the A380F in the future when Airbu
72 Post contains links Revelation : http://www.faa.gov/ats/asc/nlaweb/Downloads/PPT/MEM.ppt shows MEM needed minimal upgrades to handle the A380. It is already a C5a base! They were goi
73 NYC777 : They could come back later but why cancel when you could have deferred the order to a later date. That way you keep the original pricing (and Airbus k
74 Sampa737 : I believe the airport authority built the World Runway on the premise of the A380 coming. However, it was built not just for FedEx but for Northwest,
75 Toering : IMO, Fed ex will be taking in older A380s, and converting them to cargo. So yes, I think we will see FX A380s. FX does not want to deal with the heada
76 F22KA : Holly shia... Good choice FedEx, I am looking forward to flying with you. (just kidding)
77 Post contains images Leelaw : Given this draconian decision by FX, one wonders whether Airbus has advised FX of further delays to the A380F program beyond what has already been an
78 GECMD11 : Did MEM airport make any 380 upgrades? if so they must be pissed at Fedex !!
79 Stitch : Aye. Airbus is too far along to kill the A380F program, I imagine, especially since future passenger variants like the A388R and A389 will need to bu
80 Post contains images PipoA380 : How do you think they feel? It's certainly a big slap in the face for them, but I don't see what's so funny about that. The A380 programme is a reall
81 NYC777 : I think this is the first direct benefit that Boeing has seen due to the A380 delays. In the past Boeing has said that they have seen no increase in o
82 Aither : This is what you get when you build an aircraft for personal pride (and i mean personal not national), and not for the market.
83 Post contains images Brendows : I must say, my jaws dropped to the ground when I saw this, I hadn't been expecting FedEx to cancel their order for the A380 When it comes to the 777 o
84 PipoA380 : Not for the market? How about the 747 in the sixties, who would ever have guessed that today, there would be so many flying? With all the pessimists
85 Commavia : Draconian? If you are a profit-seeking business, and have built a piece of equipment into all of your business planning, and then are told -- on mult
86 B2707SST : Fantastic news for the 777F program, and a serious blow to the A380F. Agree that UPS' decision will determine whether the A380F lives or dies. However
87 OldAeroGuy : Since they were not in the first round of launch customers, perhaps they didn't get as good a deal. There is a message here to A.net members that can
88 Post contains links Revelation : It's not sounding too good. Quoting UPS re-evaluates Airbus order after latest production delay from October 27, Yes, I see that too. FedEx has a cap
89 Post contains images Astuteman : I suspect you'll see A380's at MEM sometime Because..... They may not be brand new ones, though... Although possible advantages for doing so at this
90 Post contains links and images Revelation : Get it while it lasts: FedEx A380 Freighter FAQs
91 AndesSMF : Wow! This is shocking news! Bingo! Hadn't thought of the fact that there are more 777 flying now than DC-10s built. I think we have seen the future of
92 Aither : I'm -a bit- more optimistic for the pax version but not so much. Keep in mind the main drivers for the 747 were the range and a great difference in t
93 Brendows : The first pieces for the A388F for FedEx were cut more than half a year ago, and this airframe will probably be allocated by another carrier. So I'm
94 LMP737 : One word, shocked. Given that the A380F was going to be a big part of their future plans I don't think any of us saw this coming. Can't help but wonde
95 RJ111 : Very sad to see really. But who can you blame.....
96 Poitin : Perhaps they should hire someone from Boeing, who got it right with not only the 787, but just about every airplane they built in the last 30 years.
97 Osiris30 : 380F is as good a dead now...
98 Amax1977 : I am glad too! Who is next to cancel A380 order?
99 Sanjet : Air cargo business is growing at a drastic rate, specially in the Asian side. I understand how fedex cannot hold for years while they run out of capac
100 Lumberton : How does the potential A330F fit alongside the 777F? Are they close enough to be considered redundant for the same carrier?
101 PlaneHunter : Tell that to the management of FRA or LHR... PH
102 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Great analysis Astuteman.. ..I was thinking along the same lines (hence my comment as to why I think the A350 will be a very good plane)...
103 Frequentflyer : Completely agree. They have to fix a design/production problem and better manage related client communication it seems. Now we witness the impact of
104 LMP737 : Maybe with companies like Fed Ex. However not all cargo haulers can afford brand new 777F's. Those MD-11's will be picked up if Fed Ex decideds to re
105 Supa7E7 : Amazing, nothing more to say. This is a horrrible omen for the A380. New freighters are given punishing 15 hrs/day schedules. Not like 5 hrs/day ancie
106 Post contains images N328KF : This is the most insightful comment in this whole thread. While availability was likely the primary issue, you have just illustrated how the 777 Frei
107 Revelation : I hope they are learning, but the evidence so far is mixed.
108 Floridaflyboy : Well, there's only one thing to say about an announcement like this: "Let the games begin!" This could be the start of an even more bitter rivalry bet
109 Mptpa : Well, they still might do it in 2020 as they may be a glut of A380s in Majave!! Also, this may be another advantage, in a much smaller degree, to Air
110 Post contains images JakeOrion : As I said before in an earlier post way back when, I do not care about airline x/aircraft x/manufacture x/etc as I love the industry too damned much.
111 Post contains images PlaneHunter : It's very unlikely they haven't thought about the plane's mission when they placed the order - and it's very unlikely Airbus just told them the fuel
112 777ER : Holy Moly, this is excellent new for the B777F. Surprised they didnt go for the B748F thou. Not good news for Airbus since one of their biggest custom
113 Eisman : Did Fed-X have inspectors at the various sites of the A380 program?
114 RedFlyer : It's shocking news because, as any WhaleJet "apologist" will tell you, FedEx's CEO had said recently how he thought there'd be a few hundred F's flyi
115 Ikramerica : I was expecting the order to be reversed, in that I expected that FX would not cancel until UPS did, and the UPS order was on the rocks already. Now
116 MIAMIx707 : wow 117 posts already.. Well from an enthusiast's perspective I don't feel "ha ha".. the 777 is already too common, many airlines already have it. To
117 NYC777 : Ok one question. Is the FedEx order for the 777F a firm one or did they only sign an LoI?
118 UPS Pilot : I heard Fed Ex is also looking at 747's. UPS is seriously considering the same thing but waiting to see now if Airbus moves up the delivery slots for
119 Post contains images 7cubed : Wow, totally blindsided!!! The triple 7's stock continues to rise. If Boeing can translate the 787 with the same synergy, what a one - two punch. Can'
120 Poitin : The death of the A380F, if that is what is happening, will also be the death of the conversion of A380 pax to freight. It issue is infrastructure. It
121 Post contains images Eatmybologna : I'm sad to hear of this terrible news. I wonder how many A380Fs will have to be sold in order to break even? IMHO, Airbus may have to re-analyze wheth
122 2H4 : Interesting....could you elaborate? 2H4
123 Par13del : So lets address this from another point of view. FedEx needs additional capacity, they chose the A380F because of all avalaible options, it was their
124 Stitch : All valid points. And if the A388F program is still mostly in the "CATIA stage", then a formal postponement of the program might be in order provided
125 Post contains links Dhefty : Well, we finally have an answer to this question: Who Will Be The First to Cancel An A380 Order? (by Dhefty May 2 2005 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=208
126 NYC777 : Why would UPS continue the order if it missed performance goals?
127 N328KF : In theory, the same number. However, keep in mind that FedEx got a launch discount; going forward, any customer would pay something closer to list (t
128 Mptpa : They can use the scarce resources elsewhere where is it needed, such as A380 pax, A350XWB v.X etc. This really is the blessing in disguise for Airbus
129 Post contains links and images Brendows : Thanks for the kind words N328KF Here's Boeing press article on the 777F order: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q4/061107a_nr.html
130 Post contains images ChrisNH : This is the biggest news since the Wright Brothers' first flight
131 Post contains images Rpaillard : Well, if the whole A380 programm is canceled, then A.net will go out of business a little while after
132 Manny : Wow!. Just heard about it. Till now Airbus was playing bend but don't break version of defense. But this is a major blow. And of all the clients for t
133 Echster : Going off tangent just slightly. Do you folks see this tilting the USAF tanker project towards the B777 versus the B767/A330? I would think with FX pl
134 LTBEWR : Shocking to say the least, but not surprising. The delays in the A380 program in general and with the F version is probably the major issue as it scre
135 Post contains links and images Leelaw : ...Lane said the Boeing Co. 777s will carry slightly smaller payloads that Airbus 380s. "There are different capacities, but we believe that we have c
136 AirFrnt : These were swapped out for A380-800 slots.
137 Eatmybologna : Just a thought. Perhaps this is what Airbus wants as they are no longer interested in sinking more of their money into a product they believe won't r
138 OldAeroGuy : The 777F carries about 50% more payload than the A330F.
139 DAL1044 : Hardly shocking news IMO. But I was looking forward to seeing it in Fedex colors. Maybe later at some point it will still happen.
140 Cf6ppe : I don't think that anyone has mentioned that the FedEx order for the 15 new B777-200F aircraft plus 15 options is the first new order for Boeing (desi
141 JAL : Wow!!!! Certainly didn't see this coming!
142 Avianca707359B : Seems like FedEx lives by its own slogan: "When it absolutely, positively has to get there ....(call Boeing?)"
143 UPS Pilot : When Airbus announced the go ahead with the A380, they were also going from the consortium to an tightly run integrated company. They did that on pap
144 Lumberton : I don't see any connection between the USAF tanker competition and today's decision by FEDEX.
145 Morrirvolando : i think it's like this...IMHO...what a waste of time and money this forum has become
146 Post contains images American777 : Great News!!! JOE.
147 Stitch : But could they use the A380F on those routes? From what I am reading above, since the 777F is not going to be at max payload, fuel volume will probab
148 NYC777 : Interesting you bought that up. Boeing, for the 787 will be doiing a virtual roll out of the 787. Since the entire aircrafdt is on CATIA, they will a
149 Wjcandee : Timing has to be a big part of FedEx's thinking. They originally expected 3 A380s to be delivered between August and September 2008, according to the
150 Post contains images Leelaw : Nice post counselor.
151 UPS Pilot : We don't know for sure if it will or will not meet performance goals. Airbus told us we would have them by a particular time. They also said the A380
152 SEAdomer787 : Maybe this is thinking way far ahead, but I could also see this as a significant blow to the potential A350XWBV6.0 Freighter program, at least in it's
153 Soundtrack : WHOs next to cancel? Any guesses. UPS, Malaysian, EK???? I am not on the bandwagon that UPS might cancel - I think they have gained leverage from the
154 Cobra27 : Why did you say they canceled A380F before announcing the 777 order? Admit or not, the A380 is a better and newer plane de facto
155 NYC777 : I think UPS will certainly go down that road and on the passenger side it will be MAS and Thai. That's a total of 22 order right there.
156 DAYflyer : Like others, I too am surprised by this. The 380 did seem to be a good fit for both UPS and FEDEX. Perhaps DHL or another operator will take the slots
157 Post contains links and images FXramper : Greetings from MEM. All I can say is this was coming from months ago with the last major delay for the A380 launch. This initial order is fantastic ne
158 Post contains images NYC777 : What difference does that make? It's still news. If you want to be picky the title has the 777 order first and the A380 cancellation second.
159 Osiris30 : Actually it was the best fit for Fexed out of UPS, and Fedex. UPS was always a questionable fit IMHO as they handle more 'traditional' and less of th
160 SEAdomer787 : People maybe don't realize that the 777F is incorporating a lot of the lessons learned and systems improvements from the 787 program. It is by no mea
161 Widebodyphotog : While I'm up I'd thought I'd chime in... That is the same way I'm thinking... However, regardless of the volume or weight the 777F has got much lower
162 727200er : Wow! Had it been UPS I would not have been surprised, but FedEx ... WOW! Good news for Boeing here. wow
163 777236ER : Right, so that's why FedEx cancelled their order in favour of the worse and older 777?
164 Halls120 : Agree. No need for juvenile cheerleading here. "SEATTLE, Nov. 07, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE:BA] announced today that FedEx Express, a unit of
165 United787 : Maybe you are right. Could FedEx and the A380F be the sacrifical lamb in the program? I would think by allowing FedEx to cancel, they can do some thi
166 Keesje : (Without reading all 160 posts) I must say this is a real setback for the A380F. I think Fedex is speaking the truth when they say they really needed
167 Leelaw : "...The Boeing 777F will allow FedEx Express to fly directly between major markets and hubs in Asia, Europe and the U.S. with more freight and in les
168 Rampart : On the other hand, might this mean more opportunity for ILFC to lease... even to FedEx later?! Or ILFC, see above. Cargo seems to thrive on leased pl
169 Burnsie28 : Yes and No, remember FX could use the A380 at very few airports, all it was really going to do is make the two flights say from MEM-NRT into maybe 1.
170 NYC777 : I doubt that they would becasue they would get them even later and still have to pay for infrastructure for 5 planes (assuming they leased all of ILF
171 NYC777 : I doubt that they would becasue they would get them even later and still have to pay for infrastructure for 5 planes (assuming they leased all of ILF
172 Leelaw : FX spokesmen are talking about point-to-point flying in their comments accompanying today's announcement, no?
173 Post contains images Keesje : Yes, but these points are Fedex Hubs
174 Stitch : Depending on which list you use, either MSN035 or MSN037 were supposed to be the first frames for FX. Since production is essentially halted until MS
175 Tom12 : Shocker! I never saw that coming. Tom
176 Post contains images XAJCM : With all the problems that the A380 has been having it is no surprise this happened ..... And it will probably won't be the last.
177 Express1 : This is good news,i think FEDEX will be better off with ordering the B777Fs then waiting a life time for a crap airbus A380 that is'nt gonna pay off
178 Lemurs : There's still a good opportunity for them to pick up A380 conversion freighters in the future as well, of course. That would be another 15-20 years ou
179 A480 : Which airlines would be the next to cancel?
180 Beech19 : UPS is my guess... and ILFC will be right behind them... that will kill the -F. As for pax... probably going to be EK. Not trying to be pessimistic b
181 SparkingWave : FedEx ordering 777Fs is a victory for Boeing. The cancellation of the A380F is indeed sad news for Airbus. But you guys are getting way out of hand he
182 Astuteman : Accepted - there would be a loss to take. But there would be a reduction in the engineering load going forward. also AFAIK, the bulk of the BOM will
183 NYC777 : Don't think it'll be EK but rather Thai and MAS on the passenger side. Even with UPS, ILFC (F) and the MAS and Thai then you're talking about 27 airf
184 A480 : Well, with Alstom having lost a contract for trains for the Paris region to its Canadian competitor Bombardier, and with PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) losing
185 Galapagapop : Shocking, couldn't they justify maybe 5 or so for hub bustin? I mean didn't they invest a lot in infrastructure already?
186 RAPCON : Well knock off another $2.8B from the prospective earnings numbers. EADS needs to get some "cojones" and make the break with Airbus and allow it to go
187 Leelaw : Actually, Mr. Bronczek spoke of major markets to FX hubs, ergo point-to-hub, not point-to-point where each point is a FX hub, ergo hub-to-hub.
188 Wjcandee : DHL, at least, is an unlikely candidate for the A380. It handles its lift needs a bit differently than FedEx and UPS. It has interests in or contract
189 Post contains images Iwok : I did not know that FedEX was the largest Airbus widebody customer. I guess there is some value to the freighter models after all. Don't gloat here.
190 Osiris30 : I agree they should shelve it, but I disagree with the how long part. I don't think the 380 ever made a spectacular freighter to begin with. The 748F
191 Katekebo : This is a common situation for most EU manufacturing industry, and is a consequence of the structural issues of European economy - overvalued currenc
192 Post contains images USAF336TFS : All I can say is Whoa! As a Boeing stockholder, I must admit this is a shocker, in therms of fortunes. FedEx endorsement of the 777F can not be descri
193 Beech19 : Good point... i just have this feeling and with all the talk of EK being skeptical ect, they will cancel some orders and pick up even some more 773ER
194 NYC777 : No it doesn't. Airbus still has 149 orders on the books for both passenger and freighter models. Doubt people working on those are going anywhere any
195 Wjcandee : Good luck. Clearly, that's a program that will not start to kick into high gear until after these 777s come on line. (90 757s is a LOT of airframes.)
196 N328KF : Well, it remains to be seen how many people get fired as a result of this, particularly if Airbus is able to use the freed slots to their advantage.
197 Grimey : What a blow to Airbus but a big gain to Boeing. Grimey
198 Post contains images Astuteman : Note the "possibly"..... Regards
199 Travelin man : I was very surprised by the statement from FX that the 777 will have only a "slightly" smaller cargo payload than the A380. If that is true, I cannot
200 Lumberton : Agree on the WIP xfer. It could be of benefit in accelerating the delivery of pax models to customers. Could you clarify the comment possible cash fl
201 Post contains images FXramper : Make no mistake guys, FX is very happy with the current Airbus frames we fly. A300 and baby bus included. LOT? Ever think about a AA or UA selling FX
202 Dambuster : That's great news! Airbus are really losing it this time!
203 NorthstarBoy : If FedEx was one of the launch customers for the A380, how come there's not an A380F prototype flying around? If I were Mr. Smith, having earmarked 2.
204 N328KF : Since when does FX fly A320s? Or are you counting the ATRs? As an aside, why does EADS have responsibility for that 50% of ATR, instead of it reporti
205 Post contains images OU812 : Boeing stock holder hah ? Well then my adroit friend : You're buying !
206 Post contains images Lightsaber : Wow, This shocked the *ell out of me when I read it on Yahoo! finance. Its going to be a little blow to the GP7200 too... ditto. That's an attractive
207 DTWAGENT : Ok. Then. I wonder how may more airlines or of UPS will be cancelling their orders. You have to admit we all know this was going to happen sometime wi
208 EBJ1248650 : Boeing web page also shows the Fed Ex order.
209 NYC777 : Specualation is UPS and ILFC for the F model and MAS and Thai for the passenger model. A total of 37 airframes including FX's.
210 Lijnden : This blow is about the biggest thing that ever happened to the French/German/British plane maker and reaching straight into the political EU-heart. Ho
211 Treebeard787 : I agree with you 100% on that!! Although I still wouldn't get to see the A380 or B777 in PHX either way.
212 Remcor : Can someone explain to me why Airbus couldn't have just pushed ahead with the A380F in spite of the A380 passenger problems? The wiring harnesses issu
213 Post contains images Astuteman : Reduction in development expenditure in the short term.. Reduction in penalties as a result of securing earlier delivery on pax versions. Possibly (a
214 NorthstarBoy : baby bus, in the context of FedEx means the A310.
215 N328KF : No. I soooo wish Airliners.net had sticky threads for FAQ use. The wiring harnesses were for all systems, not just IFE. Before you ask, the flying ex
216 Wjcandee : I follow. But like I say, even under that scenario, given the sold-out status of the 787, and the fact that Boeing won't boost production until at le
217 Mptpa : I doubt the reason being solely because A380 is late to the party. Seems like FedEx's mission changed somewhat to more point-to-point and frequency =
218 Flyabunch : After reading all of the posts up to this point, two things really hit me. First, I think that one of the bigger mistakes that Airbus made was trying
219 Post contains links BoomBoom : Actually there's very little gloating going on here. If you want to see gloating, go to the thread where SQ signed an LOI for more A380s at Farnborou
220 Post contains images Gunsontheroof : Whoa. Didn't see this one coming at all. Congrats to Boeing/FedEx, codolances to Airbus. This is a pretty tough blow at a tough time for them. Here's
221 Alessandro : So when is the first A380F supposed to do it´s maiden flight?
222 Supa7E7 : Bingo. Apparently the A380F can carry 160 metric tonnes. The 748F can carry 140. The 777F meanwhile is around 101. The 777F efficiency must be relati
223 Shenzhen : Maybe they were talking 15 777s vs 10 A380s? That, at least, is how I would read it.... Cheers
224 AirSpare : Why? This was stated a few times in this thread, it sounds more like a warm fuzzy fake "there there, it will be ok". I think the buy for 15 frames pr
225 Flight777 : Let the cancellations begin!!! Great for Boeing and the Triple 7. I love it!!
226 LY777 : good news for Boeing
227 Motech722 : I'm amazed that all the anti-Airbus folks on here are giving congrats to Boing for this. This cancellation has more than just the A380 being delayed a
228 Lotsamiles : I understand that the current plan is for the first 757 to enter service (post conversion) in Jan 2008, followed by one aircraft per month afterwards
229 NorthstarBoy : i asked my brother, who's a FedEx pilot, about this a while back, his understanding was that FedEx is getting 757s. he believes they're coming from A
230 Katekebo : The answer is pretty simple. No conspiracy theory there, lol. TIMING. The deliveries of the B777F will begin in 2009, the B748F won't be ready until
231 Brick : I was on a flight two weeks ago sitting next to a passenger that works for a major aircraft finance company in Colorado. I had a long conversation wit
232 Dank : Yep. I think part of this has to do with what they can actually get their hands on rather than capacity, itself. Or simply, the best available plane
233 PipoA380 : Thank you for this great contribution...
234 Katekebo : The problem is that the A330F is significantly smaller / less capable than the B777F. The B777F is a better substitute to the A380F because it can fl
235 N328KF : You're several weeks late; FedEx announced this a few weeks ago. A quick search will reveal all.
236 Poitin : Why doesn't someone start PART 2?
237 Dank : I know that the 330F is a switch down. The problem UPS has is that they had a lot of deposit money down for 300s that they converted to the 380F. The
238 Post contains links Beech19 : The 777F deliveries will start in late 2008. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/news/2005/q2/nr_050524g.html The 748F EIS is late 2009 not
239 AerospaceFan : Oddly, I actually feel a bit sadder for Airbus than happy for Boeing, although I hasten to say that I am nevertheless very delighted that Boeing has
240 Motopolitico : That's big of you, sir. Welcome to my RU list.
241 Dougloid : There's a lot of our homies are going to take a hit. Lots of American made equipment on the A380. A lot of the equipment on the A380 is made by my ol
242 Trav110 : Maybe Airbus will get their shit together now that they realize customers aren't going to wait forever...
243 Lumberton : It's even worse...the engines on these birds were to have been GP7200s.
244 N328KF : As I stated in other threads, this is not as bad as it seems. You're going from 40 GP7200s (not counting spares) to 30 GE90-115Bs. What's more, the G
245 EbbUK : Airbus have got off relatively lightly with the delays to the 380 programme. All customers had stood by their original orders. But this has to hurt. I
246 Post contains links N328KF : Looks like FedEx will be spending more for this. Brief fair use excerpt from Dow Jones MarketWatch: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?s
247 Lumberton : There may be a silver lining to all of this for the A380 program. Refer to Astuteman's posts here: and here.
248 Osiris30 : That may be the most telling part of the whole thing... gives you some idea how cheap they had them from Airbus and how very unhappy they were (to be
249 Post contains images FXramper : Huh? We have over a hundred A310 = BabyBus. Since when has Boeing ever made one of their most loyal customers wait for a/c? Where is that thread on t
250 EbbUK : You can so tell I gave up reading after post 37? I agree with the astute man Astuteman! Still curious why they didn't touch the 748F through?
251 ATCT : I just have to say Sweetness! Shows Airbus that delays will not be tolerated by companies! ATCT
252 OyKIE : This is shocking news. Not a good day for the A380 program. IIRC the A380F would be the base for a stretched A380-900. If Airbus cancels the A380F the
253 Stitch : Someone upstream on this thread noted 15 777Fs should be able to carry the same payload as 10 A388Fs equal or greater distance. What is not known is
254 Post contains images Mohavewolfpup : worse? you are funny. seems to me that 777's are flying as we speak, compared to the A380 that is still doing flight testing, not flying in pax or fr
255 Propulsion : I think this is fantastic news. I do not wish anything bad for Airbus, but FedEx can't wait forever and the A380F is not tiered so perfectly towards f
256 Post contains links Leelaw : ...Frederick W. Smith, chairman, president and chief executive of FedEx, said he still believes in the technological advances promised by the A380. Bu
257 N754PR : FX must have changed their business plan and using the delay as a reason to cancel the A380F. We all know the 777 and A380 are very different. If they
258 Dank : I think it is the timing that forced things. Waiting for the 748F wouldn't be much different than waiting for the 380. They need the planes soon, and
259 SSTsomeday : You beat me to it. I also suspect this must have to do with Fed Ex adjusting it's business model moving forward, and not just the 380 delay, otherwis
260 Post contains links Wjcandee : Here's the article reporting that the Financial Times quoted a Boeing official saying that they will ramp up starting in 2011. http://today.reuters.c
261 Ha763 : If FX is spending $500 million more, I don't buy the "they need capacity now" argument. If they need more capacity for the near future, they could ju
262 Post contains images Glideslope : This is just the beginning. The 380F will never be built. I've stated that opinion for the last 8m and stick to it. Carriers like Fed Ex that need hig
263 B-787 : I believe you call that a pimp slap...........
264 Glideslope : Nothing will happen. Everyone on the planet with half a brain understands that you can't sit back and wait forever for Airbus to figure out what it i
265 NYC777 : So do you think there is something deeply flawed wit hte A380 that made FX cancel the order?
266 Stitch : What could it possibly be? FX's payloads won't begin to task the lift or range of the A388F...
267 Lehpron : so it s not like they do not need something lije it, but that they wanted it at the right time and feel lucky there are substitutes?
268 Osiris30 : I do.. at least the F model...
269 Post contains links Lightsaber : Range. The 748F doesn't have the range of the A380F nor the 777F. 748F = 4,4,75 NM 777F = 6,100 NM from post 24 of FedEx Cancels 380F, Who Will Be Ne
270 Stitch : But the figures for all three planes are at max payload. FX is not going to get near to 150t on an A388F, much less 140t for the 747-8 or 110t on a 7
271 Brendows : The 777F will, according the a FedEx press release, do 6100nm with a 177klbs payload, and according to Boeing's figures, 4900nm with a 229klbs payloa
272 N31029 : Hi Everyone. As an ardent aviation enthusiast first and foremost, I am saddened at this cancellation news. Whether we hold allegiance to Boeing or Air
273 SSTsomeday : This is interesting. I'm not an expert on this, but my understanding was that range is not the first priority for cargo carriers, but A/C capacity is
274 Post contains links Garri767 : FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F Part II (by Garri767 Nov 8 2006 in Civil Aviation) please continue here.
275 FXfan : Is this due primarily to success on FDX's part, or on the failures of Airbus?
276 Garnetpalmetto : Since there's a part 2 as Garri767 points out, I'm locking this one.
277 Woosie : No, the 777's are for expansion. FX loves the trijets but they are [now] a limited supply. Please remember FX has/will convert 70 or so DC-10's to MD
278 Revelation : Not sure if you can say that. What's the net difference in jobs between 10+10 A380s versus 15+15 777s? Ditto. People here tend to take things to thei
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