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The Good Old Days At JFK  
User currently offlineAIRBUSRIDER From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

I can remember back in the 70's before I was an Anutter,I had just started driving and when I had nothing to do but waste time and gas, I would drive to Kennedy Airport and sit on the roof of the old Pan Am terminal and watch those beautiful 72's and 74's just sitting there. I took out my old video camera and could shoot freely, pilots would wave at me from the cockpits......it was just a great place to kill a few hours smelling jet fuel and watching the action at JFK. Thanks to terrorists, those days are gone for good and I think it really sucks that our children can't experience a thing like that these days. I was wondering if anyone else has a story or a memory from the old days at JFK................


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User currently offline70sflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7702 times:

I only wish I was alive to experience those days!!! In fact, the atmosphere of aviation in the 70s is the the exact inspiration for my a.net username.

JFK in particular, what with the beautiful and exhilarating architecture of T5 and the saga of TWA, is something I long to have experienced. May the jet fuel linger in your mind for the rest of time... hopefully I can try hard enough to imagine- yes, merely imagine- what it was like.

Thank you to the mean people who think killing others is God's (of any religion) calling.

On a side note... how did you get on top of the PanAm building? That is the current Delta terminal, correct?



remember when flying was glamorous?
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

Same here. Damn terrorists.

User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

the good ol' days. Before I could drive I'd take a taxi from Long Island to JFK on Saturdays just to see what was going on. I too would sit on the roof of Pan Am's "WorldPort" and watch JFK's aircraft movements.

Good memories include being able to go on the AF Concorde; Braniff's DC-8; BA's VC10; AA's 747 among others. Other memories include seeing the "exotic" IL62's of the Eastern bloc and now defunct airlines like "Montana Austrian".

Yes, the good ol' days where people didn't just work in aviation for a paycheck...they worked their for the love of the industry.

C.



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User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7684 times:
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If already in the terminal, one could take a number of elevators to roof-top parking, and as discussed, this location was ideal for spending the day watching "the action"! Seeing the constant european arrivals starting in early afternoon on 4R was quite a thrill! There was always a small group of people, either in cars, or on foot, with scanners watching the action on 4R or 31L/13R.

User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1687 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

I agree that seeing JFK back in the 1970s would have been something... however, even today JFK is one of the most interesting airports in the world, and there are still good places from which to view the action, even if off-airport. That European bank beginning in the early afternoon still takes place, and there's a healthy mix of Asian and South American traffic thrown into the mix for some variety. You can still see a fair number of 747s, although it's probably nothing now in that regard like it was in Pan Am days.

User currently offlineAIRBUSRIDER From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

I can also remember National Airlines..now Jetblue and I am in there a lot.......my friend and I were 18 years old, we thought we were so cool getting on a flight there to go to Florida. I was also on a TWA 707 once and my only time....can still remember how loud those engines were on takeoff. And, Eastern Airlines........the 727 Whisperjet ! Maybe it was because I was young but JFK was like Disney to me back then. And a few times was on Pan Am 747-100's..........Yep, they were good old days........So now at this age, when spotting at JFK, whenever I get harrassed by a cop, or see somone in the Costco parking lot walking away looking back at me while on a cellphone, I kind of want to say, "You don't understand why I love being here"


No Officer, I am not a Terrorist !
User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7460 times:
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Airbusrider - while I'm sure we never met, we probably saw each other on that rooftop.

It was indeed one of the best places ever to watch aircraft - watching the Concorde roar down 31L on her dptr roll is probably one of the greatest sights I've ever seen as a spotter. As you noted, there were no security concerns except for the occasional EL AL security guard that would wander by, but I made friends with them....

You could just drive up to the roof and park....a little expensive, perhaps, but it was money well spent...Those days are gone forever, unfortunatly..kids will never be able to get close to airliners...smell the fuel, experience the whine and roar of engines and probably not get interested in aviation as readily as we did....what a shame!


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9735 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

Quoting AIRBUSRIDER (Thread starter):
I can remember back in the 70's before I was an Anutter,I had just started driving and when I had nothing to do but waste time and gas, I would drive to Kennedy Airport and sit on the roof of the old Pan Am terminal and watch

Wasn't that beautiful? I worked off Rockaway Blvd these days and when I had time I just drove up to the PanAm rooftop parking. Good memories of times that will never come back. No ID required when going into cargo warehouses and the only hazard was when you resisted to have your company join the Teamsters Local 295. You'd better not refused that offer they made.

The old Holiday Inn with Pete the Bartender, The Owl and Han's Delikatessen, good times and sweet memories....



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineAIRBUSRIDER From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

And now, people look at you funny if you are just sitting in your car waiting to pick someone up................it is a shame


No Officer, I am not a Terrorist !
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

Great thread!

Quoting 70sflyer (Reply 1):
On a side note... how did you get on top of the PanAm building? That is the current Delta terminal, correct

If you ever drop somebody off at Terminal 3, you will see a ramp leading up to the rooftop parking that is blocked off....

Quoting Cs03 (Reply 4):
If already in the terminal, one could take a number of elevators to roof-top parking, a

If you get in those elevators today, are the buttons for rooftop parking still there and just disabled or what?

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 7):
You could just drive up to the roof and park....a little expensive, perhaps, but it was money well spent...Those days are gone forever, unfortunatly..kids will never be able to get close to airliners...smell the fuel, experience the whine and roar of engines and probably not get interested in aviation as readily as we did....what a shame!

I still often park on the rooftop of the T1/2/3/ parking lot...It's not nearly the same as the Pan Am rooftop parking (of which I do have memories despite my young age), but it is still a great spot to watch the action at JFK, still one of the world's most interesting airports.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
I worked off Rockaway Blvd these days and when I had time I just drove up to the PanAm rooftop parking

Where did you work there?


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

What I loved about the main international terminal at JFK was that each major airline had its own section of the terminal to which you drove up to for all departing flights. Entry was on the ground floor, where you checked in, then took an escalator up to the second floor which was the departure floor. On the ground side, each airline designed and decorated its own concourse (or section ) as it deemed fit. The best were SAS, Air India, KLM.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9735 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 10):

Where did you work there?

A Swiss freight forwarder, we could walk across the street and the parking lot and go straight into the (old) Holiday Inn.

Insiders know the name of the company now. The bar BTW was the "office" for a salesman of a Lebanese cargo carrier in the afternoon.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

I was fortunate enough to have worked at JFK for 21 years. I parked on the Wolrdport rooftop every day and our Service Control office overlooked the entire ramp area from the south side of the Wolrdport. In fact it was from the rooftop that I witnessed EA 66 crash and burn. I never thought I'd be able to top the view from up there, but once I was transfered to MIA, we managed to lease the old control tower from DCAD and set up shop in the cab. Now that was view.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineAIRBUSRIDER From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

When I was around 18, I briefly worked for an aircraft cleaning company at JFK called "Allied".........I showed up at night by mistake for work one time, and instead of sending me home, they gave me a truck, and sent me out to sweep some of the air stairs (just busy work I guess).........anyhow, here I am at midnight, driving around the airport all by myself looking for airstairs to sweep. I am at the top of one of these units sweeping, when an Air India 74 taxies right past me! I felt pretty small out there all alone but I remember the awesome site that it was. Another time, they put me in charge of cleaning the cockpit windows of a Finnair DC-10. I was the coolest guy there, sitting in the Captain's seat with my Windex!........It would be interesting these days to see someone driving around the airport in the middle of the night with a broom .........They would probably shoot you !!!


No Officer, I am not a Terrorist !
User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Last time I parked at the WorldPort rooftop parking was June '01. I miss that place...

User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

I remember as a teenager taking the subway out to Queens and then the Q-10 bus that stopped at all the terminals - my favorite was of course, the Worldport.

It seems like it was only yesterday that I would stand on the roof watching the wonderful 707's and 720B's from Avianca, Ecuatoriana, Montana-Austria, TMA-Lebanon (green fuselage with yellow tail!), IL-62's from Aeroflot, CSA-Czechoslovakian, LOT-Polish, DC-8's from Viasa, KLM, Swissair, or BOAC VC-10's, and later on the PanAm and Saudia 747SP's.

I miss those days....



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9735 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 16):
king the subway out to Queens and then the Q-10 bus that stopped at all the terminals -

this brings back a lot of memories. My first appartment was on Lefferts Blvd near Metropolitan Avenue. The first couple of weeks I took the Q10 to Building 82. Later on it was the Van Wyck by car every morning, from Forest Hills.

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 16):
n the roof watching the wonderful 707's and 720B's from Avianca, Ecuatoriana, Montana-Austria, TMA-Lebanon (green fuselage with yellow tail!), IL-62's from Aeroflot,

don't forget the Seaboard DC8s. All those magnificent planes of the 70s and in Forest Hills you had the inbound traffic to LGA above the building, 727s and DC9s and L1011 and DC10s.

I need a shot of NY at least every 1 or 2 years and I always try to go out to Queens and back to the old turf. Taking the new Skytrain is just great fun.


.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

There are just some things that NO ONE but us "a.nutters" understand....and this is one of them. I kid you not, i have said time and time again that if i could go back, just for ONE night to TWA's T5 i would be the happiest man alive. Back to a futuristic time period where people got dressed up to travel, and a flight was something of prestige; it gives me butterflies just thinking about it. Although i understand that times change and people must move on, i cant help but believe that the class and elegance of air travel brought forward by the 70's holds at least some drive for each member here....the difference is that this small group of us whom still see air travel this way seem to have all found each other and created this community....i love it.

Its funny, whenever i travel anywhere, i still get dressed up as though I'm going to a nice restaurant...perhaps just to pretend as though that prestige still exists today.

I was actually going to visit family back in my hometown of England last March, and we flew BOS-LGA JFK-LHR LHR-MAN (It was a last min. trip and thats all we could get.....just a tip, never transfer from LGA-JFK; its a nightmare LOL). Now, i've flown hundreds of times all over the world, but as we drove up to JFK i remember getting so excited, like i have never done before, about just simply being there...in such a world wide known, historic, truly INTERNATIONAL airport. We arrived at the AA terminal and i just stared at the stained glass in awe. We taxied to the runway after dark and i cant really describe to you, but i'm sure you know, the feeling of this New york to London flight....i was, for a minute, living that classy, international lifestyle i, for so long, wanted to experience. The night time added even more to the feel as we taxied past so many different airlines from all over the world.....i just cant explain it....its something I'll never forget.

Thank you so much for creating this thread,
Mike


User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

I guess I pre-date you guys by a few years, but my first flight was from the original Idlewild as an unaccompanied minor at the age of eight aboard a TWA Super-G Connie to SFO. I remember being very scared during the night when I saw blue and red flames spewing out of the exhaust manifolds. I thought the plane was on fire.

Later on in the 70s I lived in NYC and often flew out of JFK. TWA and PanAm had very nice accommodations because they were separate, but I remember that the international arrivals and departures terminal was quite a mess with people almost packed on top of each other.


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

It was exciting. I remember taking a DC6B out of JFK to Europe in 1961. More recently in the Heyday of TWA I flew into teh TWA hub for a tranfer to overseas and it was exicitng with flights going all over Europe-I still remember the different languages and the different "dialects" of English and remember hearing someone from an Englsih speaking country overseas and a New Yorker both speaking English but who could not understasnd each other!

User currently offlineJetCaptain From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Back in the early 80's I drove with my Dad all the way from Canada to New York City just to check out the Pan Am Worldport. We spent a couple of days parked on the roof watching the show, you could almost reach out and touch the Pan Am DC-10's and B747's parked at their gates. Lot's of B747's, DC-10's and L1011's, TWA and Pan Am seemed to own the place. Other memories include Ransome Dash-7's, Avianca B707's, and that Pan Am helicopter (Bell 222?) service they used to run. I had the scanner with me and will never forget the JFK Tower controller, in his thick New York accent ... "Clipper 105 Kennedy Tower runway 22R winds 220 at 5 ... CLEARED TO LAND". Fond memories for a kid with dreams of one day flying those big jets.

JC


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

Quoting AIRBUSRIDER (Thread starter):
I can remember back in the 70's

The real "good old days" at JFK was back in the early 60's when my cousin(now NYPD retired) and I was in the control tower for about two minutes before they
"got busy" and we had to leave.
safe



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User currently offlineAIRBUSRIDER From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

I remember those Pan Am Helicopters! I also remember how futuristic the TWA terminal was with that enormous window in the middle, 74's and 1011's were right there in your face! And the walk through those tunnels to the gates......awesome. I am glad Jetblue is saving the front of that terminal, it is shaping up to be really cool! I always thought it was nice to see the TWA terminal in Microsoft FS, although I have not flown my FS in a lot of years, I can remember when I used to taxi my FS aircraft right up to TWA.

I am really happy to see so many of you interested in this thread....Anthony



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User currently offlineLijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6723 times:
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Back in the summer of 1978 my dad took me spotting at the roof of the Pan Am terminal at JFK. I still have my notes from those days and aircraft like PA B707's, DL DC-8's and aircraft of all major european airliners (mostly DC-10 and B747's) flew all to JFK. JFK was in those days still about the only main airport to enter on the US on the east coast from Europe. I also remember we were not the only ones at the PA terminal enjoying the planes; other spotters enjoyed it too. I am wondering if there is a spotter area at JFK now?


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25 Post contains images Gr8Circle : I remember back in the 70's when I was a kid, they used to allow us to get off the plane at enroute halts and roam around, examining the underside of
26 AIRBUSRIDER : Does anyone have any photos from those days? from the PA rooftop? Would love to see them here...
27 PanAm92 : I will never forget those times when you could drive on the Pan Am terminal parking roof, park your car up to the railing and watch the European fligh
28 Gr8Circle : I flew thru' JFK on AI couple of times in the 80's and remember the distinctive AI departure section. EL Al and Viasa were on either side of AI at th
29 BWI757 : Oh, the memories... I loved going with my parents to the airport when they would drop off family members for overseas flights, mostly EL AL. Anyone re
30 TPAnx : Like some of the older a.netters, I remember Idlewild...taking my grandmother there..I'd guess in the 50s for flights to Finland...SAS..stops in Gande
31 Post contains images RJpieces : Awesome thread, I must say. I think about this quite often...I wasn't alive during the glory days of TWA and the Worldport, but I did spend a decent a
32 Ealflyer : I was in 1st or 2nd grade in the Bronx in 1970-1971. We had a school field trip to JFK! First we were brought to a corner of the airport to see the ai
33 Laddb : My first flight alone and to Europe was through JFK on TWA back in 1985. I flew from MSY to JFK first and then had a 5 hour layover. It was fantastic
34 JohnJ : I've only been hanging out around JFK since around 2000, and as I mentioned in a previous reply to this thread I still find it a fascinating place. I
35 Post contains links and images Spacecadet : There are still a decent number of 747's and other three and four-engine widebodies - no L1011's but you still see the odd DC-10 and MD-11: I took th
36 PIZZAPOLLI : JFK has always been and will always be my favorite airport. The rooftop parking at the old Pan Am world port was open as recently as 2000. It closed i
37 767Lover : Back then there was a mystique about flying, it was a unique and special experience. Going to the airport was exciting enough but actually flying som
38 Post contains images Mirrodie : wow what great memories! spent '75-85 in South Ozone Park and spent the weekends on the rooftop with my father. Best memories were the few times that
39 JohnClipper : I have fond memories of JFK. Flying PA to Germany in 1976 when I was 7. Going with my family to pick up relatives off of AZ and TW from Italy. Good me
40 TymnBalewne : Yes! My family would often go to the IAB "International Restaurant" for things like Mother's Day. It was very good food (primarily buffet) and the vi
41 DC3cv3407ac727 : These are good days at JFK, a slew of 747s and A340s,morning ,noon,and night, the occasional rogue DC-8, 9,707, or three holer ,and a veritable smorga
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