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Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN  
User currently offlineCOAfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9827 times:

On Sunday night, a Delta MD-88 ran off the taxiway at JAN and was stuck in the mud. The 92 passengers were transported by bus to the terminal. This is the second time a Delta aircraft ran off the taxiway at JAN this year.

http://clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...rticle?AID=/20061107/NEWS/61107026

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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9728 times:

Perhaps someone is going to need to address JAN's taxiway issue- wonder where this 88 ran off compared to the last one.

Deltaguy


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3995 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Perhaps someone is going to need to address JAN's taxiway issue- wonder where this 88 ran off compared to the last one.

Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays duck !

Quoting Clarion Ledger:
The plane was taxiing to the gate and making a left turn when its rear wheel dropped off the concrete and onto the grass.
"It got stuck," Wilson said. "It's a very heavy aircraft."

How heavy is an MD-88/90 compared to say a 738?



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

perhaps the 88 captains/FO's need to pay more attention!


Why do I fly???
User currently offlineIahflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

At least they didn't attempt to land on it!  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9168 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

Nooo, we love the Long Beach sewer pipes. It's nice to see some MD products in the fleet for now, it'll be all Boeing before too long.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
How heavy is an MD-88/90 compared to say a 738?

In the same weight range- MTOW for the 88 is 140K, 90 is 156K, and the 738 is 155K....so nearly the same.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9134 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays !

Amen brother!!!!!!! You should be the VP of fleet planning/aquisitions. By far the worst a/c ever to leave the ground............they get worse every time I have to work on/around one.(not from a safety standpoint, they are just a ROYAL pain in the a$$.............musta been some strong stuff being passed around in Long Beach during development!!!!!!!!!)



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4733 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

the -88s aren't leaving anytime soon. They're only about 14yrs on avg and they'll be around for at least another 5-6 years.

they will be used on different sectors within the next few years however.



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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9056 times:

LOL, AA has MUCH older 80s than DL, and a slew more of them, so DL flyers should be happy that there are only like 120 of the birds in the DL fleet. And yes, they are certainly among the newest of the MD80 line flying, not including the 90 or 717. And last time I checked, DL was in bankruptcy, so while I'm sure there is a plan to transition them out of the fleet, it won't happen all too soon.

For what it's worth, I flew on 4 of the 88s last month, and had no problem with them. Don't quite understand what the big deal is with MD80 haters, other than them being used for long flights and there is no IFE to speak of.

AAflyguy


User currently offlineMd94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8905 times:

How does getting different models of planes change how an aircraft slips off the taxiway? I'm just guessing it has something to do with misjudging the turn and it slipping off, not what type of plane you are in. Maybe I'm wrong...


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2613 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

No way!!!! Only if you want to make the DL flagship the CRJ!

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
they will be used on different sectors within the next few years however.

Yes, I'm booked MBJ-ATL next year on an MD-88. Will be nice to see them in this operating sector. Though, the route is nothing special, just nice to see the MD's used out of the US.



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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8734 times:

Which airport is JAN?

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3995 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 11):
Which airport is JAN?

JAN; Jackson, Mississippi USA The State Capitol & largest city in the state.

[Edited 2006-11-08 18:00:06]


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User currently offlineMeanGreen From United States of America, joined May 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Jackson, Mississippi.

User currently offlineBWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

Key quote:

“It got stuck,” {Jackson International Airport Authority Chief Operating Office Bonnie}Wilson said. “It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?

BWI757



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User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

“It got stuck,” {Jackson International Airport Authority Chief Operating Office Bonnie}Wilson said. “It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?


Yeah, and you're point? How and why does she need to be anymore elegant than "the airplane got stuck."


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3763 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6843 times:

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Reply 15):
“It got stuck,” {Jackson International Airport Authority Chief Operating Office Bonnie}Wilson said. “It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?

Yeah, and you're point? How and why does she need to be anymore elegant than "the airplane got stuck."

I think hes talking about the weight of the aircraft. How she calls a Mad Dog heavy, when JFK and LHR see numerous widebody aircraft daily.


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

How this statement is relevant to this post is beyond me. Gotta love the a.net forums!


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

And replace them with what?
NW DC-9's? There is nothing wrong with the DL MD-88.
I flew one into JAN last Weds night..........and we stayed ON the taxiway.
safe



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User currently offlineCO767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

At least it did'nt land on a taxiway!

User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Well the runways/taxiways at JAN are probably no less bumpy than the bare ground, thanks to the yazoo clay.

The darkness probably didn't help the situation either.

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 14):
“It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?

I guess the MD-88 is finally gotten old enough be called a "heavy"...hehe



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User currently offlineBWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):
I think hes talking about the weight of the aircraft. How she calls a Mad Dog heavy, when JFK and LHR see numerous widebody aircraft daily.

I was referring to your first thought; What commercial aircraft is not heavy?

I don't think most non-av people out there would know the difference in ATC designations.

Thanks!

BWI757



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Back in my ramp agent days, I once was getting ready to load a 767 when I noticed a taxiway light stuck in between the wheel trucks of the plane. No, you read that correctly, an entire(and pretty crushed) taxiway light that line the taxiways stuck in the wheel truck of the main landing gear. And complete too, with little wires hanging out of the end. No one seemed to notice until I saw it, and the plane had been sitting there at the gate pretty much all day. I guess line maintenance hadn't made it out there yet.

Apparently, I guess the airplane was making a turn from a taxiway onto either another taxiway or runway and the captain just made the turn a little sharp or early and the main gear strayed over and struck a light.

So if there are any airports out there mysteriously missing a taxiway light, I think I have your culprit.




OttoPylit


User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
How heavy is an MD-88/90 compared to say a 738?

Max takeoff weights are for the following :

MD88 max takeoff : 150000 lbs max landing : 130000 lbs
MD90 max takeoff : 160500 lbs max landing : 142000 lbs
B737-800 max takeoff : 172200 lbs max landing : 146300 lbs

The takeoff weights for the DL B737-800 and MD90 vary +/- 300 lbs.

Also......Aluminum oxidizes....it does not rust(even though rust is form of oxidation)...I guess that you consider a 1975 B727-200 to be a "non" rust bucket

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 6):
Amen brother!!!!!!! You should be the VP of fleet planning/aquisitions. By far the worst a/c ever to leave the ground............they get worse every time I have to work on/around one.(not from a safety standpoint, they are just a ROYAL pain in the a$$.............musta been some strong stuff being passed around in Long Beach during development!!!!!!!!!)

TU154m.......The DC9/MD88/MD90 may not be the easiest to work especially in the cargo bins....but before you condemn them you need to try loading a F28-1000/4000 aft bin. You must crawl in these bins and the floor is pure fiberglass.

You obviously need to get out of the industry if these A/C are the only ones you bitch about. If you keep whacking your head in the bins, you need to then wear a football helmet to protect your head. I work around around DL MD88s; me & my associates work fine around them.

Also watch it....I have a retired MDC worker sitting near me and you shudda heard his comments....

Yes...I prefer Boeings but they also have their quarks/gremlins and associated P.I.T.A.sses

KD


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):
I think hes talking about the weight of the aircraft. How she calls a Mad Dog heavy, when JFK and LHR see numerous widebody aircraft daily.

To JAN it's probably the heaviest aircraft compared to the RJ's.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 22):
an entire(and pretty crushed) taxiway light that line the taxiways stuck in the wheel truck of the main landing gear. And complete too, with little wires hanging out of the end.

Those lights are designed to break away easily without damage to equipment. A taxiway light on a wooden plaque are popular airport authority gifts for retiring airline station managers.

I'm sure when you saw that you had a WTF expression.


25 Tu154m : OK, I'll wear my footbal helmet next time I'm working on the lovely pack systems or the incredibly well designed relay array in the e/e or lest I for
26 Post contains images Dl757md : If you do a little search on Tu154m's posts I think you'll find he's not a rampy. We mechanics have our own reasons for disliking particular aircraft
27 PWM2TXLHopper : Actually those would be the C-17's with the Mississippi ANG based at JAN.
28 Md88captain : The last DAL aircraft to get stuck in the mud at JAN was a 757. Perhaps now 757's are rust buckets and need to be retired? What an idiotic statement e
29 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : It already is at SLC thanks to Leo! The MD-88 is merely a younger sibling of the DC-9. There are still people out there that want to re-engine these
30 OPNLguy : How true--some folks will argue about anything. And to think some folks also wonder why threads creep off-topic...
31 AvConsultant : No joke, C-17's??? So much for the taxiway excuse. Pilot error, it sounds.
32 OttoPylit : The expression part is entirely correct! Its good to see that they are designed to break away easily, but wedged into the wheel trucks of a 767 was o
33 Lono : LMAO...!!! I'm sure the plan was to drop it off when they got back out there... quick so no one would notice... that is classic....
34 PWM2TXLHopper : Nope, no joke. The C-17's have been based there with the Air Guard for several years after they replaced the C-141 Starlifters that were previously s
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