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MEA Orders 4 A330 And 4 A321.  
User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7961 times:

In a different forum I read Middle Eastern Airlines just announced they will buy 4 A330 and 4 A321, with options for another 5 in a deal said to be worth 900 million USD.

The deal was to be inked summer 2006 but was delayed by the war and will be signed soon.

Can't find any confirmation though... anybody willing to see if they have more success?

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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7878 times:

It seems that the troubles in Lebanon had no sustainable effect on MEA's ability to grow. Good news ... both for MEA and for Airbus. What is missing now is an official announcement!

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7789 times:

Here is a link in Arabic though:

http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/11094

It says 4 A330s and 4 A319s. Deliveries between 2008 and 2009.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7744 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 2):

Actually, it has more sense. MEA needs smaller planes to open new routes. A321 is a good choice, but it is quite big, too.

Does the new A330 order means long-haul expansion. If so, in what direction?



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User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7726 times:

Cheers to a glorious new era, MEA ! You are unstoppable!


If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7646 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3):
Does the new A330 order means long-haul expansion. If so, in what direction?

Rumors say that these 4 new A330s will replace the 3 currently leased A330s in the fleet. If this is true, it means this will not be a long-haul expansion rather than a routine fleet upgrade.


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7633 times:

Brilliant news!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3):
Does the new A330 order means long-haul expansion. If so, in what direction?

Yes and No. I believe that the 3 of the new A330s will directly replace the 3 leased A330s MEA currently uses, meaning that the wide body fleet will increase by one aircraft.

The airline will operate 14 aircraft-
10 A321-200
4 A330-200 s



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7611 times:

It was widely speculated that they where going to take A319's.

A bit dissapointed that they didn't.

Drew



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 7):
It was widely speculated that they where going to take A319's

There's a little confusion here. My link in Arabic says 4 A319s and NOT A321s. I guess it will come clearer in next day or two.


User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7488 times:

It looks like the A330 is selling better every year.

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7435 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 6):
10 A321-200
4 A330-200 s

Again, such a big number of A321s makes no sense to me, unless there are smaller planes, too. A321 can do a lot on MEA's important routes, but they'll have to find new markets, too.

Thanks, for explaining me more about A330s. I was secretly hoping that MEA might need more planes for new routes.

[Edited 2006-11-08 15:42:58]


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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1286 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

Mabrouk MEA!

Can't wait to fly their A330-200 in both classes this Xmas!

It seems they are reasonably bullish about prospects for the future, I currently am not myself. A 4th A330 will certainly mean 2 x daily A330 to Paris by MEA and some additional A330 services to popular Gulf destinations e.g. Dubai.

The narrow-bodies (A319s or A321s), I hope and think A319s, will be used to provide shuttle regional flights (AMM, CAI, LCA) and more frequent flights (ATH, IST) with a less long-haul like product and free up the A321s to do more longer-haul missions. So it seems no regional jets are on the horizon.

I'd love to see MEA and Brussels Airlines start a codeshare on BEY-BRU, operated by ME of course. But that's bound to remain just a hope.



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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 3):
Does the new A330 order means long-haul expansion. If so, in what direction?

Yes some destinations will be added. I think they well start flights to AMS because KLM stopped it. AMS was huge in BEY. I think they will also make some destinations that they are currently going to seasonally into various weekly flights. I also heard that Lisbon is on their list on destinations. In addition, they will add more flight to CDG and FRA.

Quoting OD720 (Reply 5):
Rumors say that these 4 new A330s will replace the 3 currently leased A330s in the fleet. If this is true, it means this will not be a long-haul expansion rather than a routine fleet upgrade.

When does the lease end with MEA A330s?

MEA should resume destinations that they stopped like SYD. If MEA can just get one or two A340 or B777, this would make MEA a more elite airline, especially when they are going to join the SkyTeam in 2007 or 2008.


User currently offlineKamboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

I would've rather they waited a bit and go for the A350 or the B787. Also a B777-300ER or 200LR would be nice.

User currently offlineKamboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...os/search/search.php?search=normal

if you go to this website, and select MEA you will see a comp of a B787 with a new livery. That's what MEA needs.


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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

For a translation of that article, you can check this thread:

http://www.beirutspotters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34

It says that both Boeing and Airbus were in the run for the order.


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

Quoting Kamboi (Reply 14):

if you go to this website, and select MEA you will see a comp of a B787 with a new livery

I agree. But MEA's livery is not all that bad.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Just to clarify again, the order will be for 4 A330s and 4 A319s, not 4 A321s.

The plan before the war was that 3 of the 4 A330s would replace the existing ILFC-leased A330s and I expect that they will continue forward with this plan which means the widebody fleet will see a net increase of 1 aircraft.

The reasons why MEA would replace them is because MEA would like to own its entire fleet. MEA's current 6 A321s are owned by the airline, but the 3 A330s are leased from the International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC).

Another reason is that MEA wants to put a higher quality lower density interior that better fits into MEA's strategy and to better compete with other their competition (EK, QR, EY, etc.).

MEA's current A330s have a relatively high density configuration of 42 Cedar Class and 202 Economy Class for a total of 250 seats.

I predict MEA will put no more than 210 seats on the new A330s, but who knows.

MEA's current A321s have an incredibly low density and luxurious configuration of 31 Cedar Class and 118 Economy Class seats for a total of 149 seats, so there will be no changes for that.

I predict the A319s will have around 110 seats.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineKamboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

here are 2 more variants: A320, B777, and A330
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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

This makes me wonder if the 4 A319s will be of the new A320 Enhanced which is to come out in 2008.



The new cabin:




It will be up to 4-5% more fuel efficient than existing A320s. You can read more about it here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...dy+plans+with+upgraded+'A320.html

Here's an article from last week about the MEA aircraft order:
http://www.terra.net.lb/wp/Articles/....aspx?ArticleID=312708&ChannelId=1

MEA's CEO, Mohammad El-Hout, said the additional aircraft will be used to increase frequencies on existing destinations and restart flights to Doha, Qatar to better serve MEA passengers making connections on Qatar Airways to the Far East.

Qatar Airways became an MEA partner in 2004.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

MEA is growing and growing. Which makes me think how will they become in about 7 or 8 years from now. Any thoughts?

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Quoting Raffik (Reply 6):
Yes and No. I believe that the 3 of the new A330s will directly replace the 3 leased A330s MEA currently uses, meaning that the wide body fleet will increase by one aircraft.

So the new A330s will be purchased and not leased? And will they be Lebanese registered or will they still carry French Overseas registrations?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
So the new A330s will be purchased and not leased?

That's correct. Same with the A319s.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
And will they be Lebanese registered or will they still carry French Overseas registrations?

That depends on the financing and insurance agreements.

MEA's current 6 A321s are owned by the airline, but are French registered for either financing reasons (they're being financed over a 10 year period) or for insurance reasons, I forgot which.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5101 times:
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Quoting Kamboi (Reply 14):
That's what MEA needs.

What MEA needs? New livery or a B787? I guess you're talking about the livery. Actually I think it looks quite nice as it stands...



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 19):

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news:

Airbus’s mid-life update for the A320 family has hit trouble with the revelation that it is unlikely to adopt new large winglets that were central to expected fuel burn improvements...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+plan+to+put+winglets+on+A320.html


25 LTBEWR : Good to hear of an airline that has had to face the trials of Job can and will continue to thrive and grow. Despite the problems it has faced from reg
26 Post contains images BA : Thanks for that. I remember reading this, however, the A320 Enhanced will still have several other improvements besides the winglets. From the passen
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