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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Well, if the Irish can do it, then I'm sure the Scots on the board can have their own thread as well  Wink

Similar to the Irish thread, this thread will be used to discuss happenings within the Scottish Aviation scene.

Of course, non-Scots are welcome to join in these discussions.

So let's start shall we?  Wink

BAA Scottish Airports
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6127938.stm

Quote:

More than 20 million passengers passed through Scotland's busiest airports during the past year, according to latest figures.

In October alone, 1.96 million passengers used Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen airports.

Good to see growth at EDI, GLA and ABZ  Smile

Glasgow Airport:
http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/2006/11/glasgow_airport.html

Quote:

Some domestic passengers using Glasgow Airport will be temporarily diverted through the international search area this month.

Between November 6 and November 30, the airport will carry out "an essential upgrade" of the domestic search area, meaning that some passengers will be re-routed to the international zone.

Could be a bit confusing for some people judging by the term "some domestic passengers"?

Edinburgh Airport
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/73909.shtml

Quote:

BAA, the operator of Edinburgh Airport, last night dropped opposition to plans for a multimillion-pound rail link.
The company had lodged a formal objection to the private bill going through the Scottish Parliament promoting the Edinburgh airport rail-link scheme because of its concerns over the possible pitfalls of the ambitious civil engineering project.

Bit stupid opposing something which would be of benefit to an airport that you run surely?

Aberdeen Airport
FlyBe recently launched flights between ABZ and LBA.
FlyGlobespan recently launched flights between ABZ and TFS, with the first flight operating via GLA. Next summer see's a whole host of new routes beginning.

Highland and Islands Airports (HIAL)
What will become of the BA INV-LGW flight with the recent announcement of FlyBe taking over Ba Connect?


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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

With BE taking over BACON what are the implications going to be for EDI and GLA? Or will there be no implications?
It would seem that EDI is going to remain as the base for the LCY ops with a possible frequency increase on that route but other than that things seem very uncertain!


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7204 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Bit stupid opposing something which would be of benefit to an airport that you run surely?

I have to assume there's something specific they're worried about but I've never heard what that might be.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 1):
With BE taking over BACON what are the implications going to be for EDI and GLA? Or will there be no implications?
It would seem that EDI is going to remain as the base for the LCY ops with a possible frequency increase on that route but other than that things seem very uncertain!

Seems that LCY will have all the RJ100s thus apart from 1 overnighting RJ100, I'd have thought the EDI base would close.
Wonder what Flybe will do with EDI-HAM however?

Quoting David L (Reply 2):
I have to assume there's something specific they're worried about but I've never heard what that might be.

Good point. Wonder what it could be?



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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

Can anybody give an update of the North American routes both for the winter (JAN-MAR 07) and summer 07 vs. last year?

I know CO is there with EDI/GLA and Dl with EDIATL. What about AA?

Thanks!


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 2):
I have to assume there's something specific they're worried about but I've never heard what that might be.

I believe BAA had concerns over tunneling through weak ground under the runway or something along those lines?

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Seems that LCY will have all the RJ100s thus apart from 1 overnighting RJ100, I'd have thought the EDI base would close.
Wonder what Flybe will do with EDI-HAM however?

Where are BA planning on parking all these RJ100s then? In the Thames?  Wink Everything I've read so far indicates the crew base will be staying at EDI, but I don't suppose that is confirmed. I'd imagine there will be atleast 3 RJ100s nightstopping at EDI to keep up the current schedule, there are 2 or 3 EDI-LCY departures before the first LCY-EDI arrival.
I also wonder about EDI-HAM, wouldn't be surprised to see BE drop it....


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7169 times:
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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Well, if the Irish can do it, then I'm sure the Scots on the board can have their own thread as well

Yes but the Irish have their own country, it's called Ireland. I'd say we have a UK thread but the fact it would be based on London, Manchester and Birmingham would make you Scots feel left out...

Is there actually anything happening in Scotland? Oh wait, yep, yep there is, see reply 6! Big grin



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

So...I take it the US PHL-GLA flight is returning next summer using a 757?
What about possible new FlyGlobespan long haul flights?

Anything new for Ryanair from PIK?



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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Edinburgh Airport
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/73909.shtml

Quote:

BAA, the operator of Edinburgh Airport, last night dropped opposition to plans for a multimillion-pound rail link.
The company had lodged a formal objection to the private bill going through the Scottish Parliament promoting the Edinburgh airport rail-link scheme because of its concerns over the possible pitfalls of the ambitious civil engineering project.

Bit stupid opposing something which would be of benefit to an airport that you run surely?

Heya, just to say that BAA withdrew their objections:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6125624.stm

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 5):
I believe BAA had concerns over tunneling through weak ground under the runway or something along those lines?

Pah! Trivia.


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Well, if the Irish can do it, then I'm sure the Scots on the board can have their own thread as well

Its about time you posted something worthwhile :P Nah, its a good idea.

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 4):
Can anybody give an update of the North American routes both for the winter (JAN-MAR 07) and summer 07 vs. last year?

I know CO is there with EDI/GLA and Dl with EDIATL. What about AA?

flyGlobespan will continue GLA-SFB at a reduced frequency.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
So...I take it the US PHL-GLA flight is returning next summer using a 757?

So far yes, but if NW or DL decide to turn up then I can't see them staying too much longer.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
What about possible new FlyGlobespan long haul flights?

With the success of GLA-SFB in the summer months I would think that within the next few years they may look to launch similar flights from STN and EDI.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 9):
Heya, just to say that BAA withdrew their objections:

Sense prevails, I think the cost is a bit high and I doubt it wil make the money they forecast, but our airports need good rail links.

Gaz



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

Good luck with it, guys! You've got some very good news yesterday - something I really hoped that we might get instead: Qatar Airways has announced Glasgow. They said they'd be adding a Northern European (now confirmed as GLA) and an Eastern European City (now Bucharest).

You also have a government, whatever you may think of them, which has placed a high value on developing links to the Middle and Far East and hopefully there will be more to come; the Scottish Executive, as far as I'm aware, has been very much involved in fighting for new routes and while we're certainly glad to have GF on board, EK and QR are expanding far more rapidly.

As someone who lives in Jersey, I was pleased to note yesterday that Flyglobespan is introducing a Tees-side - Jersey service, so maybe they could also add GLA and/or EDI?


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
Good luck with it, guys! You've got some very good news yesterday - something I really hoped that we might get instead: Qatar Airways has announced Glasgow. They said they'd be adding a Northern European (now confirmed as GLA) and an Eastern European City (now Bucharest).

:O LINK !!

Gaz



Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
Good luck with it, guys! You've got some very good news yesterday - something I really hoped that we might get instead: Qatar Airways has announced Glasgow. They said they'd be adding a Northern European (now confirmed as GLA) and an Eastern European City (now Bucharest).

Fantastic news!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 14):
Fantastic news!

We need a source, I can't find anything...I hope Kaitak is right.

Gaz



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User currently offlineRossbaku From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

When (if ever) can we expect flights between the major Scottish Airports (ABZ, GLA, EDI etc.)?

RossBaku  Silly


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

I saw a newspaper extract with confirmation, but I can't find it; however, here's a thread from PPRUNE, which carries the confirmation (as well as some other details) ...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=251343


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 17):
I saw a newspaper extract with confirmation, but I can't find it; however, here's a thread from PPRUNE, which carries the confirmation (as well as some other details) ...

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...51343

Great news !! I guess 3/4x weekly A330 to start with?

Gaz



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User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Not exact confirmation, but a link from the qatar website stating that they are close to finalising a route to northern europe.

http://www.qatarairways.com/?id=0,2848,0,0,1,0&tab=5



next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
Anything new for Ryanair from PIK?

Not so far I don't think, although they do seem to still be in discussions with/hassling BAA to start some new mainland Europe routes from EDI. There is definitely potential for FR at EDI but unfortunately they'd probably end up flying to destinations that are already served from EDI, such as FR's equivalent of Barcelona, Frankfurt, Milan etc with wouldn't neccessarily be good news.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6922 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Highland and Islands Airports (HIAL)
What will become of the BA INV-LGW flight with the recent announcement of FlyBe taking over Ba Connect?

I think BE have said they are committed to LGW and plan to expand at INV - possibly with a small base there - wouldnt surprise me to see MAN, BHX, LBA and SOU launched over the next xouple of years and possibly even Eastern forced out of INV

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Wonder what Flybe will do with EDI-HAM however?



Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 5):
I also wonder about EDI-HAM, wouldn't be surprised to see BE drop it....

I think it will go to a Dash 8, maybe 5/6 times a week would be a good idea

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
Anything new for Ryanair from PIK?

Riga and Dery, but at the expense of frequencies on other routes - PIK appears to have some issues with its management so expansion, at least on the passenger side of things by any airline seems unlikely

However BA are routing some extra cargo flights via PIK

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
As someone who lives in Jersey, I was pleased to note yesterday that Flyglobespan is introducing a Tees-side - Jersey service, so maybe they could also add GLA and/or EDI?

Im sure GLA/EDI-JER would work once/twice a week - especially GLA which appears to me to be underserved (EDI has more flights than GLA to JER including midweek flights)

Quoting Rossbaku (Reply 16):
When (if ever) can we expect flights between the major Scottish Airports (ABZ, GLA, EDI etc.)?

I know GLA-ABZ has been done before by BA/Loganair - though I think that was just for positioning purposes



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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6912 times:

Didn't Business Air fly the Saab 340 between Edinburgh and Aberdeen about 10 years ago?

Not that I can remember that far back but I thought i had read something on the matter.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6904 times:

Any more insight by now about the fate of Loganair's BA franchise ? As they feed LON traffic from places like INV, KOI, SYY, BEB etc. through EDI and GLA, there is at least some reason to keep the brand. On the other hand, what benefit is there for a Scottish airline to carry the London Airways brand ? I remember reading an article half a year ago in which Scott Grier aired the idea that one option for the future would be to enter into a franchise agreement with another airline.... ?

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 23):
Any more insight by now about the fate of Loganair's BA franchise ? As they feed LON traffic from places like INV, KOI, SYY, BEB etc. through EDI and GLA, there is at least some reason to keep the brand. On the other hand, what benefit is there for a Scottish airline to carry the London Airways brand ? I remember reading an article half a year ago in which Scott Grier aired the idea that one option for the future would be to enter into a franchise agreement with another airline.... ?

I'm not too sure on this one. I'm pretty certain that I read that the deal with BA expires quite soon, but I really can't remember if that is true or not.

Perhaps they should team up with flyGlobespan and feed long haul from GLA and EDI  Smile

Gaz



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25 Vfw614 : The franchise expires in 2008, IIRC.
26 Nighthawk : Yup, the franchise expires soon, and the current management are considering letting it do so, instead either franchising with another carrier (bmi ru
27 GLAGAZ : Bah, we both forgot about TSC and Zoom to Canada this winter. Do TSC have any EDI program this winter? Or is it just GLA? Gaz
28 Nighthawk : Summer only from EDI. What destinations do they do from GLA in the summer/winter?
29 GLAGAZ : According to BAA (if you believe them) its YYZ-GLA 3x weekly, one stopping off at MAN presumably. Weekly YVR via MAN and weekly YYC non-stop. Dunno i
30 ScottishLaddie : Appears to be 1x weekly YYZ via MAN (on the outbound) and that's it? That's all that is showing on TS's website and Canadian Affair anyway...
31 Post contains links and images Gkirk : Hmm.. Anywya, looks bad for BA staff at EDI GLA and ABZ http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=1671292006 Good news for Aberdeen however. It's run
32 GLAGAZ : " target=_blank>http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.c...92006 It is indeed sad news for the staff. Also, according to ScottishLaddie - Sterling are lea
33 Gkirk : Also bad news, but EDI still has 2 daily BMI flights tae CPH so all is not lost.
34 Post contains links and images Gkirk : Ministers to restrict expansion of airport http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/74244.html FFS, obviously any plans to restrict growth at EDI would hav
35 Vfw614 : It looks as if a EDI-MUC route might be in the pipeline for 2007. Three airlines have applied for slots for this at MUC (U2, BD and JP).
36 Gkirk : About time. If properly advertised, an EDI-MUC service has the potential to be a big moneymaker. Think I'd prefer to see Lufthansa on the route howev
37 Vfw614 : JP and BD have applied for twice daily flights, EZY for a daily flight. One of the JP flights would continue to LJU. However, none of the slots have b
38 Vfw614 : As we are just at it, I note that Loganair is getting some flak at the moment for more seriously implementing its long existing luggage allowance poli
39 Gkirk : Hadn't actually noticed anything in the press about that
40 Post contains links Vfw614 : Here you go: http://www.shetlandtoday.co.uk/Shetl...ontent_details.asp?ContentID=20653
41 Gkirk : Cheers
42 ScottishLaddie : I don't think BD have ever withdrawn their application for slots they have had a continued interest in the route since they announced it but then had
43 Vfw614 : The gap between requested and cleared times at the moment is between 2 and 3 hours....
44 Tonforty : I hope Loganair keep the BA franchise! It's so handy flying from SYY and being checked in to where ever my destination is. Also the BA website, online
45 Vfw614 : Any development regarding the rumours that Air Berlin is looking at adding ABZ from STN ?
46 Post contains links and images Vfw614 : As rumour has it, Loganair might be announcing a deal tomorrow with Flybe/BACON concerning the take-over of four DHC8-300 and some of BACON routes - p
47 Post contains links and images Gary2880 : ATA N517AT was in to ABZ yesterday, brought the WWE wrestlers. 2nd interesting movement of the year!
48 Express1 : this is a good idea gkirk,as i'm a member of the sbs1 group on yahoogroups,there are a few logs being posted on there from Aberdeen, and there is some
49 Vfw614 : Here we go - obviously they wet their pants because of the press coverage as the flights are not bookable before December: easyJet, Europe's leading l
50 Myt332 : What, the country with the massive amount of one airport? An airport that apparently closes at 4:30pm! Go Wales.
51 Vfw614 : Have the sheep migrated down south or am I missing something here ?
52 Nighthawk : SAS launching twice weekly flights from Glasgow to Stockholm, flights start 16gh April and operate on Mondays/Fridays. Aircraft will be either 737 or
53 GLAGAZ : Welcome news for GLA ! Gaz
54 Post contains links and images GLAGAZ : This looks like fun http://www.lochlomondseaplanes.com/media/llsp_glasgow.pdf Gaz
55 Planemanofnz : Any more info on QR?
56 Damian : QR to Scotland was just a rumour, as far as I know. It sounds like ARN might be the "northern European" city QR alluded to a few weeks ago. I wouldn't
57 Gkirk : Just to add EDI-EWR 2 x Daily 757s next summer with GLA 11 x weekly. And will the GLA-BOS go via NOC as rumoured?
58 Post contains images GLAGAZ : Most likely knowing GSM Gaz
59 Nighthawk : Looks like the flight will be operated by the 737-800, does it have the range to do GLA-BOS without a fuel stop somewhere?
60 Someone83 : I've heard 737-600, same as ARN-EDI. In addition do I think Wideroe has plans to increase frequencies on their 3x weekly BGO-EDI
61 ScottishLaddie : BE have announced their first international route from Scotland in EDI-Bergerac. EDI-NQY also sees an increase to 5x weekly next summer. It is 5x week
62 Post contains images YVRLTN : Winter flights to YYZ, YYC & YVR, plus some connecting flights to YOW. Summer also gets YHZ. Darn Z4, that now that means my Fife based inlaws can co
63 Nighthawk : BE is the code for FlyBE, owner of BACON, not JY. As for loganair, they have nothing to do with BACON, they are an independent company, which trades
64 DHHornet : ...and they just moan about everything! What's the latest on Oban International! How far have they got with the development?
65 Post contains images Gkirk : Well, Aberdeen has been given approval for their runway extension. GSM have got permission to operate their GLA-BOS flights via NOC And they also seem
66 GSM763 : Any news on what Wizz Air might be doing next year?
67 Humberside : Same as now at PIK I think. They have announced their Polish expansion for next year and nothing new for PIK. Not sure if they've announced their BUD
68 Gkirk : Whats happening to SX-BLW that I believe has been sitting at GLA for ages now that Air Scotland have become a non airline?
69 Post contains links Gkirk : http://www.easyjet.com/EN/News/massive_expansion_edinburgh.html easyJet EDI-Madrid, Milan and Palma
70 Gary2880 : Aberdeens revised £60m masterplan up to 2030 was released today. highlights are the possibility's of going from 16 stands to 29, extending the runway
71 ScottishLaddie : Excellent expansion from EZY at EDI next summer thanks to the announcement today of more flights: Madrid Daily from 25 February £31.99 Milan (Malpens
72 VV701 : I do not think so. LCY does not have the room. I understand that currently BA operate from LCY to EDI (7 daily), FRA (3 daily), MAD (2 daily) and MXP
73 Post contains links Someone83 : Norwegian will begin OSL-EDI service from April 15th. The route will be flown 3x weekly (tue, thu and sun) using a 737-300 http://www.norwegian.no/sw2
74 Vfw614 : BA has announced that it will add new destinations from LCY and increase frequency on existing routes. Overnighting aircraft at LCY should not be a hu
75 Humberside : Finally someone has taken that route up. I think it was one of Duo's better routes and should do well
76 Granite : Hi all As long as they don't waste more money on shopping facilities at ABZ I will be happy. Yes, it brings in the money but passenger facilities suff
77 VV701 : I like your lateral thinking although I think that your suggestion of LGW is more likely than LHR. Unlike LH and BD I do not think BA have enough slo
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