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San Diego Voters Reject Airport Proposal  
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

San Diego county voters showed great wisdom and insight by rejecting yesterday Miramar as the site for a new airport. The vote wasn't even close. If people and businesses want a new airport, no one is forcing them to stay in San Diego. Move! It's too crowded here in San Diego anyway.

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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

In 2012, the true insight will be revealed - actually sooner. Don't count your chickens.

The politicians showed no wisdom or foresight and the lemings followed.

37% support to close an active base at a time of war, with no political support what-so-ever? That's actually quite remarkable.

[Edited 2006-11-08 19:12:59]

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Not supsrising to see the 63 to 37 percent results considering wide local and even national political opposition to the proposal.

If there is anything good out of this, it will require government to pursue an all new facility option instead of the band-aid partial approach which the Miramar proposal was.

Here is an article
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/p...tics/20061108-9999-7n8airport.html



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8229 times:

Wow... I can't believe the vote all of us San Diegans were waiting for since the 2002 (or so) has actually happened... and of course, the ignorant masses vote it down. I hope my grandfather voted pro-Miramar at least, I explained the advantages of it to him several times.

I couldn't vote because I'm not a resident of San Diego county, BTW. But at any rate, I don't know what's going to happen to my SAN now. This whole process is beginning to sadden me. All this political bullshit is preventing a real solution to be made for Lindbergh...

And no, we can't expand Lindbergh beyond a few more gates, and no, we can't send San Diegans to LA anymore once their 75 million pax cap goes into effect... Eventually, people have to realize that they must do something and look beyond their bullshit excuses...



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
San Diego county voters showed great wisdom and insight by rejecting yesterday Miramar as the site for a new airport. The vote wasn't even close. If people and businesses want a new airport, no one is forcing them to stay in San Diego. Move! It's too crowded here in San Diego anyway.

It's called democracy, deal with it. If the vote wasn't even close, I think it's pretty safe to say that Miramar isn't the answer San Diego voters are looking for.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8175 times:

Congratulations, San Diego voter, you just mortgaged your air transportation future with your politicians at the leinholder. The only worthwhile and immediately workable solution to SAN's issues was a move to Miramar. Land and access are both issues that were easily addressed there.

Btw, if and when your new airport gets built, and assuming the Camp Pendleton alternative will go away, when we come visit my brother and his family in northern San Diego County (San Marcos), we'll use ONT.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6661 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

I'm not terribly familiar with the issue, but from reading just that article, it sounds as if the issue wasn't fully explored, vetted, and planned out before launching as a ballot measure.

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8144 times:

Interesting Blog on Miramar "other uses"...

You have to scroll down:

http://patflannery.com/SanDiegoToday.htm

Prop. A - a regional airport or regional gridlock. 10/24/06

by Pat Flannery

Look at this picture. What do you see? San Diego's new Regional Airport?



Wrong - it will never happen. Because the Marines will never leave? Wrong again.

Take a look at two huge new residential projects already in play, colored blue opposite. Read what the San Diego City Planning Department has to say about:
Rancho Encantada and East Elliott.



Do you think maybe somebody is not telling us the whole truth here? The developers, City Planning and Development Services have a government/client relationship that is more privileged than attorney/client privilege.

Do you thing that maybe "somebody" has already colored in that area between the two blues? Encantada and Elliott? Personally I believe they have colored in the entire MCAS Miramar area and that that is what their opposition to Prop. A is really all about.

McMillin already owns Rancho Encantada. Read their Winter 2006 Newsletter. It tells a little about what is going on out there. Also the Catholic Bishop of San Diego must know something the rest of us do not. He is building a Catholic School out there.

The one thing we all know for certain is that as sure as the Navy left Miramar, the Marines will leave too. Located right in the heart of a busy metropolitan area it is totally unsuited to their mission. The next training accident will take care of that.

Pardee owns East Elliott. Do you think these two huge developers, McMillin and Pardee are not salivating over all that sweet MCAS land? They want the Marines to leave more than anybody. The last thing they want is a stupid regional airport eating up their precious developable land. That is why Jerry Sanders is not backing Prop. A. McMillin and Pardee made their preference clear to him - with their check books.

So, the North City voters do have a choice: a civilian airport or wall-to-wall housing and bumper-to-bumper traffic. The greater Miramar area could accommodate up to 250,000 people. It will be the last great urbanizing project for San Diego City.

On the other hand what would happen if Prop A. passes? It would be a giant pain in the rear for Sanders' and his developer friends. It would create this conditional land use restriction hanging over the whole North City area. The City Fathers would be constrained by a stupid promise to build a regional airport where thousands of McMillin and Pardee houses properly belong. Look what happened at Brown Field. Pardee took care of Ralph Inzunza and Ralph (with a little last minute help from Dick Murphy) took care of Pardee. Result: FedEx still flies out of Lindberg.

As far as McMillin, Pardee and Sanders are concerned, we already have a perfectly fine one-runway airport located in a convenient soup bowl between Mission Hills and Point Loma. The Lindberg acreage is tiny compared to Miramar. You couldn't even fit a decent shopping center on there let alone a few thousand houses. Lindberg is on tidelands. Between the Port Authority and the Coastal Commission any decent developer would move to Las Vegas rather than go through all that hassle.

So there you have it. That's my take on the airport issue. Vote for Prop A, it may give us some small bargaining chip against the developers and the 500,000 people they will cram in there. Maybe more. Have you seen the way they build these days? How many "city of villages" do you think they could cram into Miramar's 23,000 acres?

In the unlikely chance that Prop A would actually give us a civilian airport at Miramar, when (not if) the Marines leave, a civilian airport would be a lot less noisy than the present MCAS. But it would be a hell of a lot better than what McMillan and Pardee (aided and abetted by our developer-financed Development Services Department) would give us - 500,000 people and total gridlock. That's the real issue, not an airport.

As I said at the top of this blog: the airport will never happen. The developers will never allow an airport to interfere with their carpet development of North City. If you've got any better ideas for fighting density in North City I'd love to hear them.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

Got this in an e-mail:

Sanders was on KPBS this morning. His comment was he felt that timing was premature given the current military focus on Iraq. He wanted to approach the military first to get some acceptance before attempting another run at Miramar. He did indicate that he felt Lindbergh was not capable of sustaining us into the future, at least. Still, I'm not too impressed with his performance . . .


User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8018 times:
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I have to admit I would not be too surprised if Pat Flannery's theory that large-scale developers have their eyes on Miramar proved to be true. These guys have had the city's politicians in their pockets for a long time.

Time to dust off the plans to expand the facilities at Lindbergh. How long do you suppose it will be until work can get underway?


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

Expand Lindbergh?

Not going to happen.

The land at the end of runway 27 was rebuilt into "Liberty Station". New houses and shops.

Expand it to the north? No. The Marine Corps Recruiting Depot is there. Even if the marines left, it is a historical site and can't be touched.

Lindbergh has no possibility of being expanded.

Neither does CLD, nor SNA, nor LGB, nor LAX (other than to its agreed upon capacity limit), nor BUR. In southern California, that leaves only ONT and PSP as being able to expand.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...ib/20061108/news_lz1ed8middle.html

Even the normally conservative San Diego newspaper bemoans the defeat.

Back in the 1970's, I remember traffic was showing signs of getting REALLY bad in Southern California. Morning and afternoon rush hours were getting very crowded, yet only minor additions and tweaks were being made to the region's road capacity. Thirty years later, we are approaching a state of insanity on our roads. The same is now happening with our airport capacity - no increase on capacity, ever. Let somebody else do it.

The voters have spoken. Now we will live with the consequences.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7962 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 10):
The voters have spoken. Now we will live with the consequences.

Enjoy the conga line headed up the 5/405 to LAX!

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 10):
Thirty years later, we are approaching a state of insanity on our roads.

Good thing however CA voters however did approve the multi billion dollar transporation proposition and bond measures by a wide margin.

Hey, maybe San Diego will now get a high speed train connection straight to LAX one day??  Wink



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User currently offlineConjureMe From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

All of you keep talking like you can just take away MCAS Miramar. WTF guys? This is the military we are talking about! If they don't want to leave, they ain't gonna. Civilians have absolutely no say in Miramar. It is beyond their control. Too big, too important to be left in the hands of local politicians.


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User currently offlineKoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

Pesonally, as a frequent overseas visitor, I must say that one of the best things about San Diego as a place to do business is just how close the airport is to the city. Similarly, SNA is far more convenient much of the time than LAX.

San Diego doesn't actually NEED to duplicate what LAX and SFO can offer long-haul. It's a far more attractive place to fly to and from BECAUSE the airport is a manageable size and an easy commute to the city.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Quoting Koruman (Reply 13):
San Diego doesn't actually NEED to duplicate what LAX and SFO can offer long-haul. It's a far more attractive place to fly to and from BECAUSE the airport is a manageable size and an easy commute to the city.

True SAN might not need to duplicate SFO & LAX in the area of international services, however the limited airport capacity simply cannot sustain continued growth of the city.

As is over 20% of greater San Diego traveller either drive to other regional airports, or fly up the coast to LAX initially to make beyond connections due lack of air service options and fare competitiveness.

San Diego's economic development will over time choke due to the lack of accessibility.



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User currently offlineOakjam From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

Well if SD voters did not want a new Airport, for other alternatives like flying to Asia, now AM offers NRT from TIJ. Soon MX will fly to China from TIJ, San Diegans can commute to TIJ for other flight options. Yes the border crossing is horrendous, but deal with it.

Here in the Bay Area we have the Bay Bridge which is just as bad as the border crossing, as well as other congested corridors. When you have congested corridors, use more time for your options wether it be by car or air. Allow for more time during your travels, this is what big city pains are like, if not not move somewhere else.


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
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Quoting ConjureMe (Reply 12):
This is the military we are talking about! If they don't want to leave, they ain't gonna.

Are you kidding ME? When did the US become a military dictatorship? The military will do as it is told when the right consensus is built. When the Navy moved to Fallon, the Marines should have never moved to Miramar. What did they spend to bring the base up to minimum standards, I recall $800 million or so.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

IMHO Some Mexican investors should try to buy a piece of land on the US side of TIJ so to build a U.S. Airport Terminal for TIJ airport, with its satellite and jetways on the Mexican side. Maybe such a solution would work best for San Diego international (but non-Mexican) flights and any U.S. LCC refusing to serve SAN.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 5):
Congratulations, San Diego voter, you just mortgaged your air transportation future with your politicians at the leinholder. The only worthwhile and immediately workable solution to SAN's issues was a move to Miramar. Land and access are both issues that were easily addressed there.

I think alot of people on A.net who are upset at the outcome of the vote are acting like everyone thinks like us and should think like us. If the majority of the people in San Diego dont want a to adress the airport situation then they dont have to. That doesnt make it wrong. Thats the beauty of democracy. This is what San Diego wants as a whole. In certain circumstances we avaition nerds can be a minority.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7577 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 7):
Interesting Blog on Miramar "other uses"...
You have to scroll down:
http://patflannery.com/SanDiegoToday.htm
Prop. A - a regional airport or regional gridlock. 10/24/06
by Pat Flannery

Judging by past events in SD and the incredible power of the mega-developers, I would not be the least bit surprised if Pat Flannery is 100% correct. Just look 80 miles north at what's happening with (former) El Toro USMCAS...

Another very sad day, another giant step backward, for the future of commercial aviation in So Cal.

bb


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 17):

Are you kidding ME? When did the US become a military dictatorship?

I say boot everyone off from North Island NAS and build a nice airport there.. stirthepot 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
Just look 80 miles north at what's happening with (former) El Toro USMCAS...

Indeed, drove by the El Toro area a few weeks back.

The near 4000 acre area was purchased by developers and will see 20,000 (yes 20,000) new homes, apartments and condo units built over the next 3 years making it the largest redevelopment project in OC history. Along with residential units plans call for golf courses, several shopping centers, high-tech office park, and a large park area already known as the "Great Park".

This follows the current redevelopment of the former Tustin MCAS which itself has sprouted some 2,000 residences.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

Quoting ConjureMe (Reply 12):
All of you keep talking like you can just take away MCAS Miramar. WTF guys? This is the military we are talking about! If they don't want to leave, they ain't gonna. Civilians have absolutely no say in Miramar. It is beyond their control. Too big, too important to be left in the hands of local politicians.

Miramar is a gas station. And no, I'm not kidding.

Miramar got so played up on this issue, you'd think it was the only base left in the United States.

Sorry to be harsh, but the Marines flat out lied to people, and they will pay the price in the next couple of years for it. You think people aren't going to keep tabs on their assertions? Ha!

I can hear the lines now:

"Well, we thought we'd be able to base 50 Joint Strike Fighters here, but in the end we couldn't and Yuma was a better option (reality check here peeps. There are 40 Harriers at Yuma today and 50 JSF's headed to the west. If you think they're going to base just 10 of them at Miramar and 40 at Yuma, you're smoking the same crack San Diego voters were yesterday)"

"We wanted to be able to base 70 Ospreys there, but ultimately we couldn't. Now we have a cost problem making Miramar less economically viable then it was in 2006. You guys want to do joint use? If not we have to close Miramar"

What should San Diego's answer be when this occurs:

Pack your shit!


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

Remember this vote is non-binding. When is the next BRAC?

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 24):
Remember this vote is non-binding. When is the next BRAC?

2013


25 Post contains images Hockey55dude : I was Sooo MAD!!! I can't vote yet but I'm pretty mad. When My dad and I fly to Canada and even to the east-coast we mostly go out of LAX.(Most of tim
26 Post contains images RedFlyer : I seem to remember some clown last year about this time on A.net claiming that Miramar is it and the voters will finally pass this. Yes, I recall very
27 Boeing7E7 : How is it there in commie land? Oh wait, your dictator just got bitch slapped in front of the global arena. You think that won't have an affect on Mi
28 Grantcv : I think it would have been better if the voters had to select a site rather than say yes/no to Miramar. And "none of the above" could not be an answer
29 Post contains images RedFlyer :
30 PVD757 : is the non 'drop-off' end at CLD landlocked by development - I can't remember. Dragged the family there after we went to Lego Land and thought it was
31 Leothedog : I lived in SD for five years in the early 80's. There was a popular bumper sticker I would see on a lot of cars: Welcome to San Diego. Now go home.
32 Post contains images Lightsaber : First, I supported this proposal. But Democracy have voted an there is an answer. San Diego is going to feel it and quick. When that 75 million pax ca
33 LMP737 : As much as I enjoyed living in SoCal the cost of living was so out of control that when the opportunity arrose I moved out. That's one problem the ai
34 Post contains images Lightsaber : Yep. Its happened before. Prices drop to 5X or 6X median wage and the cycle starts again. Cest la vie. This time, I might not be in state for the bot
35 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Yes. A plane went off the end last year and ran into a building at the bottom of the hill. All the open spaces around all of the airports in San Dieg
36 SANMAN66 : San Diegans cannot have it both ways. Regardless, people are going to continue to relocate here.Just prior to the "Welcome to SD,now go home" bumper
37 SANMAN66 : As I said in a couple previous posts, politicians and many SD residents waste way too much energy fighting,scratching,and crying to stop a new airport
38 Scramjetter : These arguments will be played out at Luke AFB in Arizona, in 20 years when the F-16s phase out. Development is exploding and KLUF will be in the midd
39 Boeing7E7 : They have flat land though and 99% VFR weather. San Diego doesn't. Word is DM is Tucson will be getting the JSF (conventional as a 16 replacement and
40 Bphendri : As a resident of San Diego that was born and raised here, I agree 100%! I like our airport just the way it is (10 minutes) from my house! San Diego i
41 Post contains images SANMAN66 : My point exactly! This approach could have been a way to break the 50 year old stalemate,which appears to be destined to live another 50 years!
42 LMP737 : When I was still living out there a friend from the mid west moved to San Diego. I tried to clue him in on what he was in for. He thought it was goin
43 Boeing7E7 : Oh the naive. Yes Yes.. People will stop coming and visitng and flying and San Diego will return to a sleepy little Navy town south of LA. Wake up ma
44 LAXdude1023 : Oh well, the issue is a moot point because San Diego decided they dont want a bigger airport.
45 Laxintl : Regretfully, the citizens of San Diego wont wake up until the day comes airlines start charging significant fare premiums simply due to the excessive
46 Post contains images DavestanKSAN :    Sums it all up right there. SAN is a beautiful airport. I love everything about it. Sadly, I fear it just about has reached its capacity. There
47 Post contains images Steeler83 : Ok... What I have read in this thread is simply this: The new airport facility was voted "no" simply because it is not needed, as well as due to resid
48 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I think its time for the carriers to jack up their fares by 50% to show the locals a taste of things to come..
49 Boysteve : Everyone needs to realise that new airports are not built overnight. Several replies in this thread seem to suggest that San Diego doesn't need a new
50 Lightsaber : So true. Miramar could have been converted in 5 to 7 years. Any new location... San Deigo is looking at a new airport circa 2020. No earlier. And 202
51 Post contains images Galapagapop : Well they can vote all they want. I'd only be pissed when Miramar is closed and the idiots there vote for more developments, rather than their future.
52 Junction : This is the most fascinating thing I saw on this thread - at first I didn’t believe it, but it's definitely true: AM58 TIJ-NRT 0050-0645 777 ops MO
53 Boeing7E7 : That's abtou as sad as it gets. I'll have better luck getting 787 service here from Madison to Frankfurt than San Diego will. They were actually targ
54 Bicoastal : Are you announcing that you're moving to Madison? Is that a threat or a promise? Please move and take your airport wet dream with you. Your crystal b
55 Post contains links Marcus : Now it seems even Tijuana is way ahead of the SAN game. ************* Soon there will be more options for San Diegans from TIJ, I just flew Volaris fr
56 Boeing7E7 : Been here for a few years. The people are a lot nicer. Nothing wrong with Madison. Fewer lemings. Plenty of airport capacity. Forward looking as well
57 Post contains images RedFlyer : I feel sorry for the people of Madison. That was a nice town last time I was there. Can't say for sure it still is.
58 Steeler83 : I understand that. That was just my assumption of what the voters saw in this proposal. I agree that some 15 years down the road a newer facility of
59 Wilax : For the life of me, I will never understand the opposition to Miramar. Nor will I ever see why the Marines need to be displaced. Miramar's existing ru
60 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : History says people are stupid until it impacts their wallet. Bottom line, the Marines are going to have an adverse impact on San Diego's economy lon
61 Post contains images RedFlyer : Too bad you never read anything people actually say or write but, rather, choose to just let your preconceived notions and prejudices cloud your alre
62 SANFan : Quote from the statement by (SDCR) Airport Authority's Chairman Joe W. Craver, issued 11-08-06 (following the ballot measure's defeat): "While we comp
63 Post contains images SANMAN66 : I wont continue lamenting over Prop.A being voted down in the polls. All San Diegans know that the Miramar Airport idea is not dead.It will keep comin
64 Bicoastal : Have you ever heard of an environmentalist? There are so many endangered species on that land, they'd never be able to build an airport there. The mi
65 Boeing7E7 : They have to clean up $100 million of the Navy's environmental mess first. Kind of like having a couple of million gallons of Jet A in fuel tanks on
66 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Politician turned real estate prospector basically declares open season on 23,000 acres of Miramar by declaring an airport will never be built there:
67 Bicoastal : Your bitterness is disturbing, pathetic and unbecoming. Sounds like you had a personal financial stake in the election's outcome....and lost. Consult
68 WesternA318 : I say we just burn down all the NIMBYs houses....but first send a non-hushed DC-8 screaming over them at ohh...200 ft?
69 Post contains images Boeing7E7 : Your ignorance of the system capacity issue in the region and it's future impact on the nation as a whole is astounding. Unlike yourself, who seems t
70 Post contains images WesternA318 : Amen to that, I'll bring the hot dogs and beer!
71 San747 : I'll come along too! Sounds like good fun!
72 Radelow : I was sad to see the Miramar initiative shot down. Frankly I too don't understand why a dual use airport would not work in Miramar. It appears to me t
73 Galapagapop : sounds good to me but I'd much rather them being the waterkit 720's those things were LOUD. Na your not evil, but can ya do 3 things for me. One star
74 Post contains images Radelow : Actually I do use conservative planting in my projects where possible (but I don't oversee homes, I build shopping centers). I will pass it on though
75 San88 : Just flew United into San Diego recently… baggage claim in Terminal 1 is horrific!!! Please if people would just imagine what it would be like in 15
76 Boeing7E7 : My hunch is you'll have a chance again in 2014.
77 Boeing7E7 : One last thing while you contemplate the damage an inadequite airport will do to San Diego's economy. My family has lived in San Diego since 1918 (al
78 LMP737 : As someone who used to live in Southern California this biggest threat to San Diego in the unaffordability of housing. I would love to live in San Di
79 Coronado990 : And decent paying jobs. My friend always said we get paid in "Sun Dollars".
80 LMP737 : That, along with paying your "sun tax".
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