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Comair 5191 Tribute, Just Had To Do It  
User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Hey guys.

For some reason, the Delta/Comair Flight 5191 incident touched me... in a way beyond that of which the September 11th attacks did. I was never afraid to fly on a commercial aircraft until I saw what happened then at Lexington.

It was just a shocking expression of how such a small mutual error involving all parties there could cause such a brutal end result.

They didn't even see it coming during the takeoff roll. Sudden death.

I compose music as a hobby (using Apple's GarageBand program, it's great, BTW), and found out that I could make guitars sort of sound like jet engines. Specifically, jet engines on RPM acceleration... then the thought of this incident crossed my mind, and the rest was history.

I extended it into a little power ballad that had a successful landing sequence (yes, GarageBand can also emulate those noises, apparently). If anything, writing this helped me get over my own anxiety about flying after this incident.

Without further ado, I'll post the link here. My song, titled "5191 (40 Degrees Off)", is hosted at Sony's ACIDplanet.com website:

Listen to "5191 (40 Degrees Off)"

The song has no words. There is a monologue in places, but no words. And oh yes, I'm a Southern (US) hick who currently has bronchitis, for future reference.

I don't intend for this to be a stupid plug/advert, either. I think it's important for us to consider and discuss here the psychological impact these incidents have on the aviation industry as well as most of us on here (I assume most of us are primarily air travellers).

Essentially, I'm merging the aspects of air transport with those of philosophical everyday life and death when I speak here. We take risks whenever we walk out the door, whenever we get in the car and drive (driving's a hell of a lot more dangerous than flying!!), and of course, we take a risk during commercial air travel.

This specific instance, Comair 5191, however, touched me as disturbing for some reason.


As an end note, I'm not entirely sure if this post belongs in this subforum. Would it belong better in the aviation hobby subforum? Please have it moved there if that is the case.

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User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

sorry for the edit here, but I think this is important...

If you do want to listen to it, the first 20-25 seconds may be a bit disturbing, especially if you're an extremely frequent flier or moreover, if you or a loved one was touched by the Comair 5191 incident.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4294 times:
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It touched me too. My former crash pad roommate CW Fortney was on that airplane hitching a ride to ATL for an afternoon show. He had a wife Sarah, and a young son Calvin. He was a hell of a pilot, and a damn good friend, he is missed.


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineATCGOD From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Does anyone know what's happening with the investigation? What about the co-pilot...is he talking yet? If so, what is he saying? Lots of questions.

User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

For those of you who, like me, don't feel like creating a login to hear this, use:


Username: acid@mailinator.com
Password: TimeTreble7Razor

Courtesy of bugmenot.com

It works as of 12:40EST, not sure how long it will last though.


EDIT: I don't know if calling it 'good' would be appropriate, but it was composed really professionally and could understand what was happening as the song went on. Fitting tribute, Yak40.

[Edited 2006-11-09 18:46:25]

User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

hey guys --

I'm very honored that the piece is well-liked so far.

Also, sorry about the registration thing. I had forgotten that AcidPlanet requires registration to even listen to music on there.

I was going to upload it to my personal web domain space, but realized that everybody here downloading a 2.1MB (WMA)/5.6MB (MP3) file was going to quickly deplete my allocated monthly bandwidth... at the beginning of the month, no less.


Also

AirTran737--
My condolences to you and the family of your friend who was lost on Flight 5191. I am fortunate to never have had a close relative or friend die yet, so I guess I can't say how that feels. (Knock on wood, of course.)


ATCGOD--
A report last month stated that FO James Polehinke has no memory of the crash or the events leading up to it. Not that there were that many events leading up to it anyways. I believe him, since I have a cousin who suffered a complete mental wipeout when she was in a car accident at the age of 8. Not just amnesia of the accident, but she also cannot remember anything else that happened in her life before age 8.



Lastly

For authenticity's sake, I did want to have a female's voice as that of the F/A (the F/A on board Flight 5191 being a woman). My voice did not morph properly into that octave (it sounded horrendous since I have a case of bronchitis now), and I don't have any female friends with the local Georgia accent. So I did the best I could, and I'm glad y'all like it.  Smile

[Edited 2006-11-09 19:42:21]

User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Touching tribute. I did want to mention, however, that Kelly Heyer, the flight attendant onboard flight 5191 was not a woman, and is, indeed, male.

May I also offer the following link to contribute to the tribute to those crewmembers, including C.W. Fortney, on flight 5191.


http://www.flightattendants.org/memorials.htm#DL5191


-Tony



Prepare doors for departure and cross-check.
User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

S5FA170--

I apologize for the gender-bender there. When I saw the name "Kelly", I first assumed female, but there was this lingering thought in my head that in fact the F/A was a man.

So I guess my arrangement did make some sense.

Once again, thank you for the correction.


edited to add: Given Kelly's age (27) at his time of death, I assume his voice would have sounded qualitatively different from that on the track. My actual voice is a bit higher than what you hear, but I had to lower it 1.5 steps (aka 1/4th of an octave), since otherwise, it would have made some sort of nasty feedback noise with the "jet engine" guitars.

[Edited 2006-11-09 21:47:48]

[Edited 2006-11-09 21:49:49]

User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Not a problem, at all. I certainly never knew Kelly, and I too believed the flight attendant was female until I saw the memorial set up on FA.org and was able to put a face with the name.

-Tony



Prepare doors for departure and cross-check.
User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

mmmkay... found out part of the problem. I had the song rated "PG", so AcidPlanet required y'all to log in before listening. I have no idea why this is the case.

So, I 'reduced' the rating to 'G'.

Also, I did some slight remixing, extending the takeoff sequence, and more importantly, changing the voicing of the F/A a bit. I took it back to my natural pitch and managed to avoid the "howl" issue I had before by using the "megaphone" effect built into GarageBand. Coincidentally, the "megaphone" effect made the F/A voice sound a lot like it was being given over a PA system. So I think it's an improvement by all means.

Again, here's the link:

http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=897140&t=3890

(Not sure if it changed from above, but this one should work even if you are not registered at AP. Again, sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope you enjoy.)

(Additional note: Dammit, AP won't let you listen to the downloaded MP3 version unless you register. You're stuck listening to the streaming WMA, which I have NOT updated with the new mix. I'm actively working on a solution to this at this moment (or will be tomorrow evening, at least). Now, if A.net here wants to host this, I'm not stopping 'em!  Wink )

[Edited 2006-11-10 08:49:50]

User currently offlineVref5 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting ILuvYak40 (Reply 5):
My condolences to you and the family of your friend who was lost on Flight 5191. I am fortunate to never have had a close relative or friend die yet, so I guess I can't say how that feels. (Knock on wood, of course.)

Consider yourself very lucky!

Seriously, I am very happy for you if you haven't had to experience that so far. It's not much fun, mildly put.

I have... and lost a number of good people over the years. Some of it due to their own screw-ups (30,000 hours in the air doesn't always protect you if you're a little rusty on emergency procedures for a type you don't often fly!) and for others, due to circumstances beyond their control.

It's seriously difficult to explain some of the NTSB reports to loved ones, telling them that 'amphetamine use' (like I had to in one of these accidents) did not help their loved one in flying at a time when they're lashing out at anything aviation-related. Understandably so; they're human and not as familiar with aviation issues in as much depth.

Would that dissuade me from flying? Heck no! I'm off in a plane the next day. 9/11 or loss of a close friend; I'm going flying the next day. But... for people outside of the aviation community, harder to take loss since they don't really always see or understand (or truly appreciate) the full range of risks that we deal with every single flight. We kind of sometimes make it look too easy for them because we work so hard to make it safe and minimize risks. So... most times, things goes well and people get used to it. Every once in a long while...

But either way, the family and friends/colleagues are left standing, wondering and missing the dearly departed.

So, I sincerely hope that nobody here ever has to experience this kind of tragedy. My respects goes to the crew (both flight and cabin) of 5191, including non-revs like Mr. Fortney, amongst others, regardless of particulars of that accident. May you all rest well. I usually think of 'High Flight' every single time.

Quoting ILuvYak40 (Reply 5):
A report last month stated that FO James Polehinke has no memory of the crash or the events leading up to it.

Yep, very common with accidents involving immense amounts of force (30g to 200g) and a fairly well bounced-around brain. Mercifully, it's a good thing he doesn't remember it. I don't care what anybody's culpability might be; on a human level, it'd be horrible to have to live with that kind of memory forever. So... good thing he doesn't.


User currently offlineILuvYak40 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 3633 times:

Vref5--
You brought up an interesting point with regards to victims' families pushing the blame relentlessly on various sources.

I will confess this... and I probably deserve to be shot for this... when I first heard news of this incident and how it happened, I referred to the incident as the "Bluegrass Dumba**". (Hint, the last word rhymes with "Bluegrass".)

'course I now know better, and I know that referring to that incident in a way that was derogatory to the personnel involved is inappropriate. I could have easily made the mistake that these captains (in conjunction with KLEX ATC, and to a much lesser extent, KIND control) made. Especially since I'm *NOT* a morning person.

Incidentally, my tendency to shirk from responsibility of people's lives is what changed my decision from wanting to become an aerospace medicine physician to an industrial engineer (which flavor I don't know; I want to go either into the diverging fields of airport operations or biotechnology process).

In any event, still trying to find a better hosting option.

Actually, if anybody here has a PC (IBM-compatible/Windows) and has the capability to convert an MP3 file to a WMA (Windows Media streaming) file, I would appreciate if you could help me convert the file so that people need not register on AcidPlanet to listen to the new mix of the tribute. AcidPlanet requires registration to access the "download" MP3 version, which I have updated with a new mix (and not the WMA version; I've temporarily lost contact with the individual who converted my first mix to WMA).

Of note also is that there exists no freeware program for Mac OS X (my current operating system) that will convert MP3 to WMA. So help will be appreciated.

[Edited 2006-11-10 16:47:41]

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