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Malaysia Begs BA To Stay...  
User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

The Malaysian government has expressed fears of British Airways' imminent pull-out from Kuala Lumpur and is negotiating with BA to continue to serve KUL with direct flights from London. With over 100,000 passengers flying into KUL from the UK alone with BA each year, the pull-out could severely affect tourism in Malaysia.

Tourists and Tour-operators from all over the world are already frustrated by the lack of available seats into Kuala Lumpur and are constantly HAVING to book passengers via Singapore and British Airways was a major contributor of traffic from the Eastern USA and much of Western Europe into Malaysia.

A recent report by Scandinavian tour operators expressed their dissatisfaction that as BA was a major carrier - they will now be almost solely dependant on KLM to provide services into Malaysia. Malaysia Airlines has negotiated with these some to provide relief charter services from Stockholm and Helsinki to remove some of the pressure.

So will BA stay in KL - there are even rumours that this may be partly due to MAS and BA moving towards a code-share with MAS joining a 'sinking' oneworld but gaining a third daily LHR service, a daily MAN service with options on an additional UK airport in a couple of years...who knows nowadays...

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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Mas777, where did you get the info about the complaints from? BA seem to have made a bit of a hash out of this one then.

User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Mas777 could be right somehow (in his last paragraph abt the so-called proposed code-share btw BA and MH)... In any case, there were earlier reports that QF is interested in buying a stake in MH - which would in turn give a stake to BA as well since BA are part owners of QF too...

Anyway, I've just visited BERNAMA (Malaysia's Official news agency) and the M'sia Govt's has confirmed that their in talks 9or gonig to start talks) with BA to achiveve an outcome on this - looks like they're keen to see in BA and the British Govt is willing to allow MH to take over the flight relinquished from BA shd they really do it. Obviously the Msia Govt is concerned with BA's decision, mainly due to the fact that many tourist from UK visit M'sia each year but LHR is also a major connection port for many European cities. with BA reducing the flts, M'sia may potentially lose lots of tourists - and MH would be keen to keep the no of flt's btw KUL and LHR unchanged (or even increase them), but as we all know, there a congestion problem at LHR and many carriers have restriction as to the no of flights operating into LHR...

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Its interesting that with all the talk about Heathrow being sooo congested, its only other (as in every carrier but BA) airlines who can't add flights. Tomorrow if BA added on another 40 daily flights out of LHR, they'd squack on and on about how its their right. It's a nasty case of collusion couched in legal agreements.

User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

I would be more than happy to be the airline that fills this void. I wish I had the pull to grab a 744 and launch this puppy. LHR-KUL spells profit to me. Think about it... long has SIN been the gateway from SEAsia/Australia to UK and vise versa, it is time for KUL, and Malaysia to take back what is rightfully theirs, in a matter of speaking. There are 3 ways from that region to Europe profitably, through BKK, KUL, and SIN.
I know there are more ways but these are the ones that have large amounts of O&D and connecting traffic. Even if, QF takes a stake, which means BA would also have a stake, they would not have the flight. What I mean is they would not have the revenue, and revenue is what keeps the plane flying. Profits can be made on this route and maybe BA was doing something wrong, but it should work.


User currently offlineJmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Could this possible be a way around for BA to start Leisure services from LGW?

NOT a rumour, a simple question, would it make sense?

Happy Flying

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

BA pulling out of Malaysia just does not make sense, cant they operate 777s there or make the service more profitable by flying onwards to Australia or route it via another country, like in the Middle east

.....up there with the best!
User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

The report from Scandinavia came from Travel-Asia magazine (I think - I read it sometime last week!).

BA really messed up in Malaysia - we all know that - but I can't help but feel that things really started to go wrong when BA-QF started joint operations in Malaysia.

User currently offlineMr K From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Just a short note to your idea of legal "collusion".
If BA wanted even ONE more flt out of LHR,it couldn't do it without relinquishing a slot.LHR is at bursting point.It is the 4th busiest airport on the planet,and it manages this with only 2 runways.BA would not use LGW if it didn't have to (2 hubs in one city-makes little sense unless no other option).BA would certainly move most,if not all flts,to LHR if it were possible.The thought of them starting new flts or routes on a whim from LHR is pure fantasy.

User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1406 times:

MAS777, you hit the nail on the head when you say that it is Scandanavian tourists who will be most inconvenienced.

No way can BA make money from carrying tourists STO-LHR-KUL and back. If Malaysia thinks this business if worthwhile (for the tourist dollars it brings in) then put flights into Copenhagen or Stockholm on MAS metal.

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

The LHR-KUL route is actually very lucrative in the First and Club Class cabins. I have actually been unable to book a seat on BA's Club Class before on this route. Although BA's First Class cabin tends to be rather empty, MAS seems to fill their First Class cabins rather well.

MAS has had plans to serve Copenhagen but this has always failed to get off the ground. Not sure why...

...interestingly it was the Scandinavian tour operators who complained - not the British Tour operators. British Tour operators actually seem to prefer flying with MAS and if you look in just about every brochure BA charges a hefty supplement if you want to fly with them.

British tourists make up the third largest long-haul group visiting Malaysia after the Australians and the Japanese. They have to get there somhow and they're certainly not going to get there by BA soon.  

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

What was BA's past LHR-KUL service? What a/c routed through which citys and how many time weekly?

User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (15 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

see earlier posting where I covered BA's operations between 1980-current.

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