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Happy 21st - Another Overdose Of Irish Aviation!  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7164 times:

'Evening all and welcome on board for another Irish Aviation Thread. Hope you enjoy! And please make sure everyone else does too!

Please note, as said previously, these threads have one key theme - over and above Irish aviation and that's ENJOYMENT. We're here because we're passionately interested in and committed to Irish aviation (and indeed, aviation generally), BUT primarily, we're here to enjoy ourselves. Everyone has different perspectives and different experience and interests in different part of aviation, but it should definitely have a common thread, which is fun and enjoyment.

So, let's pass over the blather I usually give about this week's key topics and issues and move straight into the thread ... BUT remember, "Never post in anger and always take the high road" (and I'll in Scotland afore ye!)

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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2753 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Happy 21st Irish aviation opinion sharing to ALL!!

May post again later (on aviation matters) after dinner if my wife lets me, yet to be honest, hopefully she won't and we'll occupy ourselves otherwise... So if all goes according to plan this Friday evening here in Toulouse, I Toulouse will be bach to chat with you all over the weekend.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

You guys sure to write a lot about Irish aviation in a short amount of time.

Might I suggest:

Catch 22-
23 Skadoo-
"24" tick, tick, tick-

I was going to suggest: BLACKJACK!! The 21st Irish Aviation Thread, but before I could, you already started it up!!

Have fun.

:D



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6272 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Just a reminder for those with ITV. "Life of Ryan" will be on at 8pm. It's a program about FR and it's bid for Aer Lingus but mainly about MOL I think.
Thanks for that Toulouse LOL!  gasp 
(Happy 21st Irish Av.)


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

Interesting game of "wait and see" as well today, as EI shares fall below the €2.80 mark and head towards €2.70. Investment managers are split as to what is going to happen; while he appeared to concede defeat a few days ago and certainly hasn't made any movements today, there is a convincing argument that (a) he is just letting the price go further and (b) that he is doing this not just to get more shares at a lower price, but to show those who have bought at a higher price just how much they can lose. (How much has Denis O'Brien lost - if I were mean, I'd say "is the Maltese cross"?, but luckily I'm not!)

We've discussed this backwards and forwards over the past month or so and I guess a bit of fatigue has set in, but it will be interesting to see what happens in a situation like this!


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Interesting game of "wait and see" as well today, as EI shares fall below the €2.80 mark and head towards €2.70. Investment managers are split as to what is going to happen; while he appeared to concede defeat a few days ago and certainly hasn't made any movements today, there is a convincing argument that (a) he is just letting the price go further and (b) that he is doing this not just to get more shares at a lower price, but to show those who have bought at a higher price just how much they can lose. (How much has Denis O'Brien lost - if I were mean, I'd say "is the Maltese cross"?, but luckily I'm not!)

Yeap.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
We've discussed this backwards and forwards over the past month or so and I guess a bit of fatigue has set in, but it will be interesting to see what happens in a situation like this!

Yeap.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6272 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

I just saw "Life of Ryan:Tonight" and it was crap to be honest, half an hour of bashing FR and mentioning nothing about Aer Lingus, the take over and only five minutes on MOL. The only bit I liked was a song which went, "Fly BA, Aer Lingus or Virgin. As for Ryanair I'd sooner bloody swim". Other than that it was a very poor version of the Channel 4 program.
Here's FRs response.
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=06&month=nov&story=gen-en-111106


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7067 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
As for Ryanair I'd sooner bloody swim". Other than that it was a very poor version of the Channel 4 program.
Here's FRs response.

Thank you. It didn't take them long to post it, did it?


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7067 times:
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Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):

I agree! It was basically a few people talking about their bad experiences and nothing more. I too was expecting more about the EI takeover bid.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 8):
I agree! It was basically a few people talking about their bad experiences and nothing more. I too was expecting more about the EI takeover bid.

It is interesting that FR refuse to have a recorded interview, but insisted on a live and unedited one. It sounds like Tonight has abused previous interviews and FR was not going to sucker for one. Is this the case?


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6272 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

I was actually watching it at school as there was an open evening I had to help out. My geography teacher is a new teacher from Ireland and we get on being the only two Irish people in the school. His brother is a pilot for FR and he says his brother loves his job and that he does work a lot of hours but so do many other airline employees and pay is good. I have never heard an FR employee complain on TV or anywhere apart from today on that program where an FA said they didn’t even have a five minute break in 12 hours but she said she loved getting up and working for FR.
I am no fan of FR or MOL but when you here that employees don’t enjoy their job it’s concerning and sometimes its just a lie.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Missed this thread so i'll post my last reply from thread 20:


Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 77):
Quoting Poitin (Reply 72):
I believe it is also available at Easons.

Is that the actual store or the online version, which is just amazon in drag.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 77):
Smokeyrosco

Im not getting involved but if anybody has a problem there are moderators to refer to. And I do recall a similar situation arrising on the Irish threads less than a year ago.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 80):
Incidentally, I see from PPRUNE that EI 330s going into the shop for overhaul over Christmas will be refitted with new IFE and the new aircraft delivered next year will also be delivered with "bells and whistles" (so to speak), so it looks as if they're getting the message on that front

Great if it happens but Ive lost all optimism with the EI IFE roumers that Ive been reading on pprune for ages. Better I'll take a peek meself......

Quoting Poitin (Reply 81):
Obviously, MOL made a commitment to EI, and now he is well and truly struck.

I dont think the investment in EI has been regrettable for FR. Sure the takeover failed but Ryanair can easily sell out if they want. If they keep the shares, then we can take it as a signal that Ryanair are happier to be a minority shareholder in EI, than not a shareholder at all, and they still consider it a worthwhile investment.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 81):
As Kaitak pointed out several times, the short haul LLC model will not work with long haul. People want to have food, water, entertainment, and a seat back the reclines at least a little if they going to be stuck in a A330 for five or six hours. On the other hand, if you are going to be on a 737 for just an hour, you can pretty much put up with anything -- if the price is right.

The current FR model cant translate into longhaul for several reasons but I think you are missing a few. Turnaround is one. A 737 can easily do 8 s/h rotations per day but with the longer l/h sectors the planes themselves show a lower ROI on their aquisition cost. I think entertainment would be easily sold on l/h flights, as could food.

[Edited 2006-11-10 22:55:51]

User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
The current FR model cant translate into longhaul for several reasons but I think you are missing a few. Turnaround is one.

What I was referring to was Kaitak's often repeated comments that he didn't think people would put up with the lack of amenities of a typical FR s/h on a long haul, which I agree with.

You are quite right that the entire economics is also different, not to mention overnighting the crew, additional maintenance facilities, etc.

In addition, I am not certain that there is one sized aircraft that would fit the needs of a typical long haul. Most long haul fleets contain a number of different model aircraft.

However, the idea of a No Frills Long Haul, with pay for view and such does seem to have some merit. I've been playing with it for a while, and my conclusion is I think I would rather fly a more traditional airline, particularly if I can do a point-to-point long haul flight instead of going to a hub-spoke arrangement.

I suspect that there is room in the market for both approaches and people will chose what they are happiest with.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
Obviously, MOL made a commitment to EI, and now he is well and truly struck.

I dont think the investment in EI has been regrettable for FR. Sure the takeover failed but Ryanair can easily sell out if they want. If they keep the shares, then we can take it as a signal that Ryanair are happier to be a minority shareholder in EI, than not a shareholder at all, and they still consider it a worthwhile investment.

The comment was in relation to MOL doing a "MyWay". He really can't if he owns EI stock. The question is what happens next, and that is what the debate is about. In fact, I doubt if even MOL knows. It will be an interesting two months.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

There's an interesting article in today's IT about Pat Byrne's comments on EI and FR. It's quite objective, I feel, because PB is no fan of FR's style, but he does have a lot of positive things to say. In particular, he says EI is being naive in the way it's handling the FR situation and that it doesn't see the big picture. FR's future, he says, is more secure than EI's.

I think this is something we've been saying all along. PB also says EI should take some of FR's aircraft and replace its A320s. I can see the sense of that, but I'm very uneasy about EI become an FR clone. I think there is a market for a level of service which isn't right at the very bottom of everything. Yes, there is profitability to think of, but still, people fly EI and in greater numbers. If EI can hack away at costs, but still provide a decent level of service? When one looks at the numbers, sure, FR wins, BUT thinking as a customer, I think it's good to have choice, BUT furthermore, when I think of the opportunities out there, I think they should definitely be working together.

All the factors are in play to make this work; FR has said EI will continue to exist as a separate entity, MO'L clearly wants to get into long haul and work WITH EI to do this. DM is clearly against this, but I think when you look at the wider picture, this is the best way to go. One of my biggest fears in all of this is that in 5-10 years time, we'll realise what potential we had within our grasp - to FINALLY make DUB a working, successful transatlantic hub, but because we were focused on pettiness and the short term, we missed it. I know I sound like a broken record player, but we have SUCH a terrible record in missing opportunities and much as I love EI, if it's a choice between their independence and making the wider picture work, I'd choose the wider picture, i.e. MAKING EI see the bigger picture, whatever it takes.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

A no frills long haul - been there, done that, it was called Laker Airlines.

They charged for meals on the Atlantic and if I recall correctly the very limited IFE also.

EI economy transatlantic is pretty low frills at present, hell even charging for checked baggage, which Laker did not, if my memory of them is correct.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6896 times:

Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 14):
A no frills long haul - been there, done that, it was called Laker Airlines.

They charged for meals on the Atlantic and if I recall correctly the very limited IFE also.

True. Freddy died just a couple years ago. He was a true dreamer and had the skill to make it happen.

Good story about him here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laker_Airways


User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

Quoting Dstc47 (Reply 14):
EI economy transatlantic is pretty low frills at present, hell even charging for checked baggage, which Laker did not, if my memory of them is correct.

I thought charges for checked baggage are only shorthaul.

Fuel charge on long haul, none on short haul.


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6879 times:
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Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 16):
I thought charges for checked baggage are only shorthaul.

Yes, you're right:

Quote:
Those checking in baggage will be liable for baggage charges on short haul routes effective for bookings made after August 8th 2006 for travel after January 17th 2007. A fee of €4 per bag will apply if booked in advance on the web, while a fee of €8 per bag will apply if checked-in at the airport. Passengers can pay for this facility on-line from early December, thus saving money and time at the airport.

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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2753 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 17):
Quote:
Those checking in baggage will be liable for baggage charges on short haul routes effective for bookings made after August 8th 2006 for travel after January 17th 2007. A fee of €4 per bag will apply if booked in advance on the web, while a fee of €8 per bag will apply if checked-in at the airport. Passengers can pay for this facility on-line from early December, thus saving money and time at the airport.

aerlingus.com

I was just thinking about this, as I just booked flights between BOD and DUB with EI online and at no time was I asked if I intended bringing cheked in luggage and the opportunity to pay for it online, so does this mean that I'll be charged €8 at the airport, and is on each flight or €8 per ticket?



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

I would think that if you were not asked or given the choice on the web, you can't be charged at the airport.

Just caught a posting on PPRUNE; apparently, the new J Class product is being launched this Winter, which will include new seating screens and service; more details, no doubt, soon.

However, I hope they don't forget Y Class ... they're falling behind there too.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6272 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Toulouse, does it have any mention on the "manage booking" section of EI. I thought that's where all payments and changes could be made on aerlingus.com and is there anything on your paper ticket?

User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 18):
I was just thinking about this, as I just booked flights between BOD and DUB with EI online and at no time was I asked if I intended bringing cheked in luggage and the opportunity to pay for it online, so does this mean that I'll be charged €8 at the airport, and is on each flight or €8 per ticket?

I assume at the very least they would email you giving the option if there was a charge.



John Hancock
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

never mind

Quote:
If you are travelling on or after the 17th January 2007 and your original booking was made after the 9th August 2006 then new baggage fees and rules will apply to your journey.
Details are as follows:

Checked-In Baggage:

Pay online prior to day of departure:
€4 fee for every bag checked in for each flight.
(Facility to pay online will be available from December 2006.)

www.aerlingus.ie

[Edited 2006-11-11 19:09:17]


John Hancock
User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6827 times:
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Quoting Toulouse (Reply 18):
I was just thinking about this, as I just booked flights between BOD and DUB with EI online and at no time was I asked if I intended bringing cheked in luggage and the opportunity to pay for it online, so does this mean that I'll be charged €8 at the airport, and is on each flight or €8 per ticket?

Toulouse,

The baggage charge will be only applied to you if you will be travelling after January 17th.

The ability to pay for your baggage in advance will be available on the website from December, so you will have plenty of time to pay for your checked luggage next month.

EI787


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2753 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

Thanks all of you for clearing that up for me.

Well as you can see I'm being my typical EI loyal flyer, and instead of the 45 minute drive to Carcassonne to take FR (as EI don't fly to TLS in winter), I prefer to do the 2.5/3 hour drive to Bordeaux and fly Aer Lingus. Am I crazy or crazy??



Long live Aer Lingus!
25 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I'd do the same thing Toulouse! I got bored today (should have been studying but oh well) and I decided to draw some of my dream Premier class seats.
26 Post contains links Kaitak : Interesting article in today's Sunday Business Post: http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/s...D-qqqm=news-qqqid=18790-qqqx=1.asp Basic points:- - Dubai
27 Dstc47 : The October edition of the Luxair in flight magazine, still on the aircraft this week, had a feature on their winter flight schedule. It was explicitl
28 Pilot21 : I'd wonder about the pax numbers purely because of the routing. While my knowledge of roads in and out of LUX aren't great, I'm sure it is almost as
29 Kaitak : Luxair is said to be replacing its EMB-145s with Dash 8-Q400s in the near future (next year, I think), so maybe that will improve things. I wonder if
30 Shamrock350 : Has anyone noticed that the A330 seat maps on aerlingus.com are missing? I think they have been gone since the seat selection was added. Any news on t
31 BestWestern : Luxair are also advertising the connections at LUX ex DUB in the OAG flight guide.
32 Kaitak : All I know is what I've said above - i.e. Winter! However, I think that they will make sure that as many aircraft as possible are refitted in time fo
33 Smokeyrosco : I'd also argue that they now have competition on new york (more so) and Chicago direct into DUB, (anyone know is AA is going to continue with the BOS
34 Poitin : Unfortunately true, unless Airbus can do something else. There has been some speculation on the A330E, which is nothing more than the A350 Mk 1, or a
35 AerArann : Just two quick questions, Whats J Class? Whats PPRUNE? Thanks in advance
36 Post contains links EI787 : Normally Business Class. http://www.pprune.org (Professional Pilots Rumour Network) Basically a big forum website for aviation, much like A.net
37 Vfw614 : I would not be surprised if this has been brought up in Vol. 1 - 20, but I shall dare to ask anyway (just for the sake of a totally Ryanair/Aer Lingus
38 Kaitak : Hi Vfw614, I don't know for certain, but I think there is a lot of potential, when you consider that the smallest aircraft operated by EI and FR is ar
39 Vfw614 : Does Aer Arann intend to keep the ATR42s or will they go as soon as the new ATR72-500s come online ? I think quite a few routes are well served with a
40 EI321 : Out of interest Kaitak, what route to you use when the EI service is not around? In unrelated news, Eirjet are officially going into Liquidation, with
41 Bx737 : Bearing in mind how many aircraft they were leasing in I'm not surprised they were in difficulty. EI-DOZ was painted up in Mandala livery and I remem
42 Smokeyrosco : I know they plan to replace some of the existing aircraft although they never made it clear which ones. I'd imagine they will standardise on the 72's
43 Shamrock350 : I think Aer Lingus are waiting to announce the new fleet order before they announce the new product that's why I think we have been told "winter". I
44 Kaitak : I'm actually heading over to Shannon this Thursday for my little Godson's first birthday! I'm taking BA up to LGW, then that *&^%$**!! bus to Heathro
45 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Why have airbus said it is wider than the 787? At FAB (i know its a was a few months ago) we were all told the A350 is wider and generally large than
46 Kaitak : I was surprised by the fact that the A350 was described as "XWB", but I can't actually remember Airbus saying it is wider than the 787. All in all, I
47 Toulouse : Hi all. Just jumping in to quickly defend Airbus, another of my favoured companies after Aer Lingus. Yes, there have been some mess-up's, and I can g
48 Poitin : The 350 XWB would be wider than a 787 but less than a 777. The 330 is wider than the 767, and a nicer airplane. Given a choice between a 330 and a 76
49 Shamrock350 : This is exactly what I would love to see but the A380, although an amazing aircraft is keeping airlines away, the potential 350 airlines don't want t
50 Toulouse : For the first time ever my friend Shamrock350, I tend to disagree with (maybe only partly though!). 1st. As I said Airbus sold a lot of plane in Octo
51 Kaitak : I saw that this evening; could well be - maybe they can get the missile protection as well - oy vey! Guys, I'm afraid, mea culpa - Poitin is right. I
52 Shamrock350 : October was a great month for Airbus despite the new delays to both the 380 and ultimately the 350. The XWB still got a few orders from China and ALAF
53 Pilot21 : October was a good month for Airbus, but the majority of the orders were for the A32X family, which isn't as big a money maker as the widebody family.
54 Toulouse : Of course they're not ordering them. At the moment, while yes there are over 100 orders for the "origianl part 1 version" of the 350", the new versio
55 Poitin : The 787 is wider than some of the many models of the A350, but not the XWB which may or may not be built. I suspect you saw data for the Mark 1 throu
56 Shamrock350 : That may well be true and I'm not saying the A350 has been cut out of Aer Lingus future plans but at this moment in time the 787 is looking better an
57 JWMD123 : Hot of the press. Looks like the FR takeover is going a bit 'south' Few takers for Ryanair Aer Lingus offer November 14, 2006 08:18 Ryanair has extend
58 Toulouse : That is very true, and why Airbus needs a good 350. Good to see though that the 320 family is still selling well. November isn't looking too bad, esp
59 Pilot21 : RTE are reporting this from one of Ireland's MEP's: Seán Ó Neachtain MEP has said that that an Open Skies deal between Europe and the US is now unli
60 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Toulouse, China signed an LoI for 20 XWB didnt they? http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3063230 Ah, sorry I read that w
61 Toulouse : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/discussions...63230 You're right! My apologies Shamrock350! Indeed, and I'd love to see a few 319's thrown in
62 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I think I know why! Something to do with a year round service TLS-DUB. I would also like a few A321s and of course A319s.
63 Kaitak : Unfortunately, much as I'd like to see it, I don't see 319s featuring in EI's future plans; they need to keep the CASMs as close as possible to FR's (
64 Toulouse : You know me too well Shamrock350!! Hope I don't rand on about TLS-DUB too much... While I would like to see the 319's (more so for the personal inter
65 EIRules : What is the situation for those using EI short haul to connect with other airlines long haul, especially if you have booked with a non EI flight numb
66 Shamrock350 : No you don't and I'm sure if EI dropped Jersey altogether, Kaitak would have something to say and I wouldn't be very happy if in the unlikely event t
67 Poitin : Does that mean keeping the 1:1 landings at SNN and DUB? I really hope not.
68 EIBoston : Does anyone know what area the FF MEP represents? Sounds like a home town play with regards to Shannon. EI does not need this block hanging around it'
69 EI787 : He represents Ireland North-West
70 Poitin : Agreed! SNN can find a new life in one of several roles, if they spend some time looking at them. One suggestion is a secondary hub for TA flights to
71 ABC9 : Not a problem in my experience. Flew DUB-LHR-YVR earlier this year, EI flight but with a BA flight no. on the first leg. Got boarding cards for both
72 EIRules : Thanks but thats not exactly what I meant. I was not referring to what would happen if EI left OneWorld, I meant what will happen once the baggage ch
73 ABC9 : Sorry, misunderstood you. Don't know the answer to your question but am curious myself
74 Poitin : Somebody is buying EI today at E 2.73. At the 1630 posting: Turnover: 21,877,130 Shares Traded on Day: 8,034,992 Is is MOL or someone else? I guess w
75 EIRules : On a seperate note I see that IB are no longer operating flights to BCN from DUB for next year. The timetable shows DUB-BCN operating with a plane cha
76 Toulouse : BCN-DUB-BCN is going to be operated by the new low-cost Spanish carrier Clickair (www.clickair.com) based in BCN and partly owned by IB, so they're j
77 Kaitak : I don't know the exact answer to this myself, BUT I would imagine that if you're buying a through ticket to connect with another airline, OR flying t
78 Pilot21 : Kaitak, this point has come up a few times, are we not at 2:1 (and have been for a while)? We have to be because from next yr DUB-JFK goes to 2 nonst
79 David_itl : Has anyone got access to the Irish CAA's passenger stats for the route? The UK CAA statistics for the MAN-LUX-MAN part from June to October show 4294
80 Smokeyrosco : Thats what I thought myself but wasn't sure. Given that the americans are all using 1:1 I simply didn't research it.
81 Pilot21 : It is 2:1, these remarks were made to the Dail on June 18th 2003, by then Min. for Transport Seamus Brennan. (Note the 100-50% remark at the end) Mr.
82 Kaitak : Sorry, Pilot 21, but it's still 1:1 right now. The 100% referred to by SB is effectively 1:0 (in our ratio), in that all t/a flights had to go through
83 Post contains links Poitin : ANSWER: MOL appears to like EI stock at E2.73 to E2.75. He bought 2.8 million shares yesterday. http://www.ise.ie/app/announcementDetails.asp?ID=1339
84 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : First photo of Aer Lingus back in NCL is now in the database. View Large View MediumPhoto © Nigel Fenwick I hope this route works out and more Ir
85 BestWestern : Any reason why there was a UA 767 in SNN today? (Star Alliance logo)
86 Pilot21 : Thanks for clearing up Kaitak, the day we won't have to even discuss the stopover rule can't come soon enough!
87 Post contains images Mccormk : I was on the EI NCL flight two fridays ago it was around 75% out and 100% on the sunday back. Alot of lads weekends away using it. And the NCL fan clu
88 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Good news for NCL then, I hope it stays around +70%. I like that new seat map on aerlingus.com! You can check how many seats were left and I have used
89 Kaitak : Good to see any new route working well. Incidentally, I noticed today that some FR flights (to Bristol and Karlsruhe, Germany) were cancelled; anyone
90 Post contains links and images Pilot21 : Just saw this photo on A.net, seems like DUB and the DAA are being a little proactive on the photography front in letting people move above the 28/10
91 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Can't wait for that! I'm really nervous about it as Aer Lingus could get it very wrong but I doubt they will. This is what I'm looking forward to mos
92 EIBoston : From Examiner.ie today TRANSPORT Minister Martin Cullen will not be able to negotiate with US airlines to over-fly Shannon before the EU reaches agree
93 ThrottleHold : It diverted into Shannon with a pax medicdal emergency.
94 ABC9 : Looks like this was taken from the top of the verge at the entrance to the long-term car-park in Harristown. Strictly speaking you can't pull in ther
95 ThrottleHold : Since when did drivers in Ireland pay any attention to double yellows!!??.......
96 Post contains links Poitin : As an update on the CO2 emissions tax, it appears those pushing it in the UK have seen the error of their way and are now pushing it in the EU. This w
97 Post contains links and images Danny : Wierd that they were not selling above 3.0 ??? This isn't any new place. Just underrated so far as people tend to go to the praking lot by 28 thresho
98 Post contains links EI787 : http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/2006/11/new_dublin_to_p.html[Edited 2006-11-16 17:24:23]
99 ABC9 : That's a heck of a long flight from Poland to Dublin - does it go the polar route !! Good to see though, new routes always welcome, good luck to them
100 EI787 : Yes, it was a mistake in the article!! I changed it. It should read 12.15pm!!
101 Poitin : Well, there are two issues. One is what is the stock really worth without MOL trying to buy it, and two, what the stock is worth with MOL trying to b
102 Smokeyrosco : I have couple points I want to make about the above post. ESOP members have been told by the ISE that they only stand to get 15k-20k each if they choo
103 Mccormk : Poitin in your experiance do you think MOL/FR is going hold off buying large stocks of shares in order to let the price drop and settle and make the E
104 Post contains links Poitin : More precisely, ISE said: In this regard, it should be noted that an announcement made by Aer Lingus ESOP Trustee Limited on 26 October stated that b
105 Smokeyrosco : I was giving an average, I suppose I should have made that more clear but given that there is more ex employees of EI then employees that makes sense
106 Kaitak : This is unacceptable. When the EU took Germany (and other countries which had concluded O/S agreements) to the ECJ and received the judgment allowing
107 JWMD123 : At least some good news for the regional airports. I wonder who will be getting the most. I would gather GWY would benefit greatly maybe with an incre
108 Poitin : While there has been some buying and selling between 25 and 30% of the stock is not hardball aligned. Most of it is being held by large investors. Th
109 EI787 : Just had an email from Aer Lingus: Aer Lingus will formally cease to be a member of the OneWorld Alliance from 1st April 2007. They expect to shortly
110 Shamrock350 : That's good news. Did Aer Lingus have an FF agreement with CX while they were in OW?
111 EI787 : Yes, they had alliances with AA, BA, CX, AY, IB, LAN, QF
112 Shamrock350 : Good to see EI keeping links with the great airlines that made OW. Hopefully when EI announce the new Premier class passengers will be able to take fu
113 Poitin : Perhaps Kaitak (or anyone) can explain why OW was not such a good idea for EI? I am curious. As for EI's FF agreements with several major airlines, i
114 EIRules : I read that when EI announced they were leaving OW that EI only accounted for about 5% of OW's flights or 5% of their passengers or something, so in
115 Smokeyrosco : I believe the main reason (the final straw kinda thing) why EI left OW is because OW where introducing a new computer system with in the alliance whic
116 Poitin : Sounds reasonable to try something else. Hopefully, the new agreements work out better.
117 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : A combination of the two answers actually http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0530/aerlingus.html
118 Poitin : " target=_blank>http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0530....html Thank you for the information. From what this article said, the decision was a no brainer
119 Shamrock350 : The single air bridge at Cork is finally in operation but not with Aer Lingus, Ryanair or BmiBaby but with Central Wings. It was used for the first ti
120 Post contains links Kaitak : 19 hours without a post? I fear thread No.21 needs to be put to sleep and we'll adjourn to No.22. Time to "shake it up, baby" (and if you really feel
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