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DL's Upgraded 757s: Which Routes And How Many?  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Hey DL gurus. I'm flying DL over the Christmas holiday, and all my flights are 757s.

LAX-TPA
TPA-CVG
CVG-LAX

Should I expect the better 757 product on both LAX flights, all three flights, or is it still luck of the draw right now? Is there a way to tell from the seat map?

Thanks in advance.


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

LAX-TPA is the only one that you will probably get the redone 757's.


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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

I would assume CVG - LAX probably has more likelihood than LAX - TPA, as CVG - LAX probably has higher yeilding traffic.


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Everytime I have taken CVG-LAX it has been on a standard 757. TPA-LAX, MCO-LAX are all on ex-Song airplanes.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

If you take a look at the below DL press release it offers a time for various routes to get the new product.
Looks like none of your city pairs are on the list to receive the converted aircraft.

http://media.delta.com/images/transcon_fact_sheet_2006.pdf



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User currently offlineAero0729 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

It is very random when these aircraft are used. One night they may use the new 757 for one route and the next night its a standard. Delta is even only putting 6 rows of first on one side of the seat map and 5 rows on the other at delta.com to accomate ease of scheduling for the 5 aircraft in Delta's fleet that have a 5 Rwos on one side 6 rows on the other. All seat maps indicate this, but most of the time the aircraft will have 6 rows on each side.

User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 990 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

How come you're not flying to/from SRQ like usual?


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

I'm flying SEA-ATL-AUA-ATL-SEA in the next couple weeks. Hoping to see the improved product at least once (hopefully not just on the redeye!). Unfortunately, the return is a 763, so won't see it there.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Since I won't be flying F, do "ex-Song-birds" have the PTVs in them as well? What exactly is the difference between an ex-Song and an upgraded 757 for the coach passenger?

Quoting Aero0729 (Reply 5):
It is very random when these aircraft are used

That's what I figured, but I thought they may have dedicated them to certain routes like CVG-LAX, LAX-JFK, etc. ATL gets mostly 767s from LAX, but I wondered if LAX-TPA got the new jet since it was a former Song route.

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 6):
How come you're not flying to/from SRQ like usual?

Because all fares are $700-800 into TPA and SRQ right now when tax is included. I used priceline and it didn't help the SRQ situation, but despite their suggestion that I try $675 as my offer after the first few attempts failed, I ended up with $501 total on DL including a TPA non-stop. If CO had come up, I'd be flying them.

I've already made Silver on CO this year and have no chance to make Gold even with a full-Y roundtrip to PBI next week (upgraded to AU class), and upgrades on LAX-IAH at the holidays are not gonna happen even for a Gold unless I pay $1100 for full Y, so I figured I'd give Priceline a shot and see if I can get a reasonable price. (Upgrades on CO have been tough this year, and I'm considering seeing if AA will match my status, since at least there you can buy your upgrades. AA service isn't as good though, and they don't fly into SRQ, so I don't know if it's worth it...)

But CO OnePass isn't all worthless at this point, as I was able to use some CO miles recently, as I found real roundtrip F seats on QF LAX-SYD right after thanksgiving. It's one of the best mileage deals in the sky at 135k miles for the roundtrip, considering QF's FF program charges you 288k miles. I'm on QF8 going down in seat 1K and QF149 coming back in seat 3A. Never been in the nose of a 747 in flight, so should be a good ride...



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

When I choose seats on Delta.com, all three flights show a plane where the Y section begins at row 20, and ends with a 1/2 row at row 45 (DEF).

This does not correspond to any of the three configurations on the website under their fleet pages.

I would assume this means all the planes I'm on do have a first section, since ex-Song jets start with row 1 for Y and end with row 34.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

All of the ex-Song birds have PTV's in both cabins. First gets free movies Y you pay the $5 fee.


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4685 times:
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Quoting Aero0729 (Reply 5):
It is very random when these aircraft are used.

Not really. On routes that are over 1750 miles which are supposed to get the new product on a consistent basis, if it is supposed to have it already, it will consistently have it. For example, all JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA/SAN/LAS/SLC flights are supposed to have the new 2-class AVOD PTV 757s and they do; they don't switch it with the regular 2-class 757s (with 6 rows of F). On shorter routes such as ATL-LGA, there is a combination of the regular 2-class 757s and the new 2-class AVOD PTV 757s there may sometimes be switches - but then again, they haven't made the promise that those flights will consistently get the AVOD PTV a/c.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Since I won't be flying F, do "ex-Song-birds" have the PTVs in them as well? What exactly is the difference between an ex-Song and an upgraded 757 for the coach passenger?

Yes, the ex-Song birds have the PTVs at every seat but they don't have an F cabin. There is no difference between an unreconfigured Song bird with an upgraded 757 for the coach passenger with respect to the PTVs - just the color of the leather seats will be different.

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Hey DL gurus. I'm flying DL over the Christmas holiday, and all my flights are 757s.

LAX-TPA
TPA-CVG
CVG-LAX

Should I expect the better 757 product on both LAX flights, all three flights, or is it still luck of the draw right now? Is there a way to tell from the seat map?

Currently, all three flights are scheduled to have the regular DL 2-class 757s (i.e., not the unreconfigured ex-Song birds with PTVs). Ben Edelman's site is a great way to tell:

www.benedelman.org/travel/dlseats

If the F cabin shows 7 rows, then it's the re-configured 757s with AVOD PTVs in both F and Y
If the F cabin shows 6 rows, then it's the regular DL 757, with regular overhead IFE in both F and Y
If there is no F cabin, then it's the unreconfigured ex-Song 757s, with AVOD PTVs at each of the 199 Y seats.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 11):
If the F cabin shows 7 rows, then it's the re-configured 757s with AVOD PTVs in both F and Y
If the F cabin shows 6 rows, then it's the regular DL 757, with regular overhead IFE in both F and Y
If there is no F cabin, then it's the unreconfigured ex-Song 757s, with AVOD PTVs at each of the 199 Y seats.

That's great, but when you are booked in Y and go to choose your seats, they don't show you the F cabin at all, just tell you it "exists."

I guess I need to check new reservations in F and see that way.



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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
If you take a look at the below DL press release it offers a time for various routes to get the new product.
Looks like none of your city pairs are on the list to receive the converted aircraft.

The release says: "The new service, to be offered on all flights over four hours, or greater than 1,750 miles, will provide..."

The example city pairs are moot. Though, I do notice CVG is omitted. Maybe pre-de-hub fodder.


And everyone, take Aero0729 with a grain of salt. He's in a bad mood from another DL post.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
That's great, but when you are booked in Y and go to choose your seats, they don't show you the F cabin at all, just tell you it "exists."

I guess I need to check new reservations in F and see that way.

The ex-Song unreconfigured planes with no F start with row 1 in Y, obviously  Smile

The regular 2-class DL 757 with no AVOD PTVs start either with row 19 or 20 in Y.

The reconfigured 2-class DL 757 with AVOD PTVs start with row 18 in Y.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4607 times:
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I flew on the reconfiged 75 last night on the ATL-SAV route. I was shocked to see it there. People coming off of an LAX flight were a little upset as they did not have the PTV on there flight.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):

Yeah, that's what I figured.  Sad

What a nice upgrade for LAX. We went from the Song 757 to TPA for a few years to an old 757 with no AVOD despite the route being over 4 hours/1750 miles.

Yippee.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4451 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
What a nice upgrade for LAX. We went from the Song 757 to TPA for a few years to an old 757 with no AVOD despite the route being over 4 hours/1750 miles.

LAX-TPA will get it sometime in 2007 though. It also looks like the CVG domestic long-hauls will also be some of the last to get the new product...


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 17):
LAX-TPA will get it sometime in 2007 though.

Super. I just don't get how they downgrade LAX routes and call it an upgrade. LAX is a key market and had all sorts of Song transcons. People in LA got used to the PTVs, and now they are taken away so other markets can have them.

In other words, LAX routes were some of the routes that Song was tested on, and our market responded positively, so that they decided to incorporate the Song product into the fleet, but as a reward, they take the planes away?

I know I sound bitter, but I am, because I was looking forward to trying the product on at least 1 of the LAX flights I'm on, and it looks like I won't get to unless there's an aircraft substitution...  Sad



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
(Upgrades on CO have been tough this year, and I'm considering seeing if AA will match my status, since at least there you can buy your upgrades. AA service isn't as good though, and they don't fly into SRQ, so I don't know if it's worth it...)

Our fares start at $109 each way....have you considered WN?

No upgrades to F class, but you get to keep alot of cash in your pocket!

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Also...try DL as a FF program...its pretty lenient...25k silver, 50k gold, 75k platinum. Unlimited space available upgrades within the 48 states...


User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 990 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Because all fares are $700-800 into TPA and SRQ right now when tax is included. I used priceline and it didn't help the SRQ situation, but despite their suggestion that I try $675 as my offer after the first few attempts failed, I ended up with $501 total on DL including a TPA non-stop. If CO had come up, I'd be flying them.

You should check to see if you can get on a Cape Air flight from TPA-SRQ-TPA. That would be 2 segments and another 1000 miles. Can think of a better return then that flight 35 miles each way, collect 500FF miles.



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