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FedEx In The Movie "Castaway"  
User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 27039 times:

if you've watched the movie, i have a few questions regarding the movie:

1) to my knowledge, airlines usually do not like to associate themselves with accidents

(no airline would paint their livery on A380's inaugural flight/SQ repainted 9V-SPL from tropical megatop back to the original livery to dissociate itself with 9V-SPK --- this knowledge that i read off a.net and not my own conclusion)

so why did FedEx allow it?

2) what caused the A300 (or was it A310?) to crash? is it the bad weather? it seemed as if one of the doors just ripped open, causing the cabin to depressurize. in reality are there really such a possibility that doors rip open in mid air?

3) after the plane has crashed, the engine seem to be making a sound as if someone pushed the thrust to full and then idle, full and then idle simultaneously. what really caused this sound if this sound is what one really hears after a plane has crashed?

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User currently offlineGOTbound From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 27038 times:

IRRC a lot of packages are delivered in the end of the movie. That's why, even after a few years on the deserted island, the FedEx package still arrive to their destination.

EK


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 27034 times:

From Wikipedia:

Quote:

Despite the fact that the plot revolves around the tragic crash of a FedEx plane, the company correctly guessed that the movie would not damage its reputation. FedEx cooperated closely with the filmmakers to ensure that all FedEx materials seen in the movie were authentic. Chuck's "coming-home" scene was filmed on location at FedEx's home facilities in Memphis, Tennessee. According to an interview on the DVD release of the film, FedEx Corporation did not pay for product-placement rights. However, the extensive support that the company provided to the film can be considered a form of payment for the placement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_Away


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 27019 times:
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Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
1) to my knowledge, airlines usually do not like to associate themselves with accidents

it wasn't for product placement, but for authenticity.

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
2) what caused the A300 (or was it A310?) to crash? is it the bad weather? it seemed as if one of the doors just ripped open, causing the cabin to depressurize. in reality are there really such a possibility that doors rip open in mid air?

when it shows Tom Hanks (Chuck Nolan) walking up to the ramp, it clearly shows a A300. The bird that crashed in the water was a MD11 though. You can tell when he's above water trying to escape engine #2 attached to the tail section.

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
t really caused this sound if this sound is what one really hears after a plane has crashed?

the high pitch was the engine and salt water being introduced to the system. it overloads and explodes and sends him flying in his raft.

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
it seemed as if one of the doors just ripped open, causing the cabin to depressurize.

I believe towards the end of the movie they say there was unlabeled DG in the a/c that exploded.

The most frequently asked question I get from people that find out I work for FX is, "did you see Cast Away?"  yes 

Second most asked question answer, "Yes, Wilson is fine."




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User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 27010 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
what caused the A300 (or was it A310?) to crash?

wasn't it a MD11??


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 26988 times:
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The movie has become required viewing for new hires.  bouncy 


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 26990 times:

I assume that no real aircraft were involved.

User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 26953 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
I believe towards the end of the movie they say there was unlabeled DG in the a/c that exploded.

Correct and I believe that they made sure it wasn't plane or crew.

No open liquor is allowed on board either but they made an allowance here.


Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
it clearly shows a A300. The bird that crashed in the water was a MD11 though.

You must consider the Hollywood factor. They wouldn't know the diff if it bit them. Also some scenes were filmed in an MD-11 sim and if I remember correctly in one scene you can see the APU online since that was powering the sim at the time. There's a few other funny facts that shows inconsistences with reality.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 26949 times:

The big thing about that movie for Fed Ex is that the package that survived got delivered in the end. Technically, it actually got returned to the sender, but...

And I believe the movie was originally supposed to feature UPS, but they refused, fearing damage to their image.



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User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 26941 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
I believe towards the end of the movie they say there was unlabeled DG in the a/c that exploded.

so are you saying that even if the weather was all fine and dandy, and even if that other pilot could contact Tahiti control(?), the plane would still have crashed anyways?

okay maybe there are no hard answers for this, but would anyone take a guess why would anyone want to put an unlabelled DG in the aircraft?

could it be that the FedEx was carrying the A levels exam papers and some student wanted to make sure it doesn't get to the markers in Cambridge? JUST A WILD GUESS!

anyway thanks for all the interesting answers! Castaway is surely a nice movie to rent off the DVD shop to watch on a saturday night!

[Edited 2006-11-11 16:55:54]

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26922 times:
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Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
if that black pilot

was that statement necessary?  confused 

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
unlabelled DG in the aircraft?

shipping error...occassionaly we get unlabeled dry ice through our ramp...

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
rent off the DVD shop

it's worth buying...  yes 



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User currently offlineShinkai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26851 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
if that black pilot

was that statement necessary?

sorry i didn't know it was so sensitive here. but i changed it to something more politically correct!


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26801 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
but would anyone take a guess why would anyone want to put an unlabelled DG in the aircraft?

Because SOME unscrupulous shippers don't want to pay for the extra HAZ fees and think if they don't tell no one will find out. EG. the DC-10 cargo fire that destroyed the jet after ldg in Stewart NY. Yes, it happens.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 26653 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
what really caused this sound if this sound is what one really hears after a plane has crashed?

It's Hollywood, that's all. The airplane crashed, the fuel lines were severed, and engines cannot run while submerged in water... it wouldn't even be possible in real life. The idea of a man-eating MD-11 engine churning through the water makes for a great hollywood scene, though.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26499 times:
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Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 12):
extra HAZ fees

$40 surcharge to start...

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
politically correct!

much appreciated!!!  yes 

I've got the day off, and am gonna watch the show, and check out some college football also!

Everone enjoy the day/night!



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 26395 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
after the plane has crashed, the engine seem to be making a sound as if someone pushed the thrust to full and then idle, full and then idle simultaneously.

Nearly the same as in "LOST"; isn't it? The L1011 crash landed on the beach and the engine is getting into full thrust, but than exploded...

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
what caused the A300 (or was it A310?) to crash?

I always thought, that it was a DC-10...


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 26374 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
and engines cannot run while submerged in water... it wouldn't even be possible in real life.


"Submerged", yes. However, you obviously have never seen this video:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/planecrash

A little more than halfway through the video, after the guy has evacuated his aircraft in the bay, the startboard engine starts up again, and runs for a period of time.

The Danish rich-executive pilot, I hear, actually renamed the replacement aircraft. This one was OY-JET. The new one was OY-WET. Good sense of humor.


User currently offlineLeigh pilgrim From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 26190 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
The most frequently asked question I get from people that find out I work for FX is, "did you see Cast Away?"

Second most asked question answer, "Yes, Wilson is fine."

Now that is a class answer, 10 out of 10!


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 26149 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
Second most asked question answer, "Yes, Wilson is fine."

Glad Wilson is OK.


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1873 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26102 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Thread starter):
so why did FedEx allow it?

That's very simple: Fred Smith wanted to be in a movie....  rotfl 
Teva



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26046 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 19):
That's very simple: Fred Smith wanted to be in a movie

I think I gave the answer earlier re: the stipulations..otherwise it wouldn't have been done.


User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25967 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
but would anyone take a guess why would anyone want to put an unlabelled DG in the aircraft?

As stated, there are fees added to any D/G shipment.
Sometimes shippers try to send more than is allowed in one particular shipment.

Shippers unintentionally either mislabel or just don't know what is classified as D/G and how much is allowed.
On the extreme rare occasion, shippers intentionally mislabel or disregard the regs just to ship it.
This doesn't happen very much at all and with the liability factor, it could put the company out of business, God forbid, if an incident happens or fined if caught before it happens.

This is where cargo D/G acceptance agent training comes into play. If a misrepresented shipment is discovered...then the appropriate authorities are called in.

Tidbit....Some examples....Nicotine UN1654 class 6.1 Toxic substance (yes...the same stuff in cigarettes) for a pax A/C the limit is 5 litres. In a pure cargo A/C the limit is 60 litres. Another good one is Oxygen generaters UN3356 class 5.1 Oxidizers. Prior to Valuejet 592 a limited amount was allowed on pax A/C (totally forbidden now) but on cargo A/C 25 kg G is allowed under certain circumstances.(This is all per the 2006 IATA D/G/R 47th edition.)
Note....I love to use the Nicotine example whenever I can, people have no clue that its a Toxic substance in pure form.

KD


User currently offlineJFK998 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25721 times:

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 12):
Because SOME unscrupulous shippers don't want to pay for the extra HAZ fees and think if they don't tell no one will find out. EG. the DC-10 cargo fire that destroyed the jet after ldg in Stewart NY. Yes, it happens.

Damn! you beat me to it!! Yeah thats usually the case with a lot of shippers in the JFK area as I work in there. I know other places all over the US do it also. Many other companies out sell DG rates to sell to customers that ship DG (i.e. perfumes, dry ice, etc.) by classifying the shipment as general cargo. Not only is that against the law, its quite dangerous as some airlines, or maybe even most abide on the shipment details stating the correct commodity as certain commodities require special packing equiptment, etc.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25627 times:

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 9):
so are you saying that even if the weather was all fine and dandy, and even if that other pilot could contact Tahiti control(?), the plane would still have crashed anyways?

Had they been in contact with ATC, a rescue would have been more likely. Instead of spending years on the island, it would have only been a matter of days.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25529 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 16):
"Submerged", yes. However, you obviously have never seen this video:

http://www.glumbert.com/media/planecrash

Of course I have. The engines are totally out of the water, you can't even compare it to the scenario in the movie.... though it is damn funny.



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25 FSPilot747 : Whats a DG? filler filler
26 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Drew... You *ucking rock! Nice movie mistake catch! WTF are you btw... I'm firing up the bbq and wifey is pouring up the drinks man! Game time is in
27 Walter747 : that would be?????
28 EMBQA : No...not at all.. The screen shows him walking towards the Security Gate.... NOT the A300 parked close by. This question has come up a dozen or so ti
29 113312 : DG is an acronym for Dangerous Goods. Another term is HAZMAT or Hazardous Materials. These are substances and/or materials that are regulated by the D
30 Post contains images AndrewUber : I really like that movie, and I think it was a great idea to feature FedEx in the film. It shows how they "take care of their own" for example (like w
31 Fe727 : Well as a FX'er I guess I have to get in on this one. UPS as the first choice? Not a chance according to the folk lore. The script was written in mind
32 Dispatcher : My two cents, from what I understood at the time they were filming the movie, Hollywood was going to make the film using FedEx as plot driver with or
33 Post contains images LTU932 : I thought it was an A310, like the one he was on when returning from CDG. I never really noticed the number 2 engine catching up with him. I guess I'
34 Usair320 : couldnt have been. didnt it have the glass f/d of a MD-11?
35 CosmicCruiser : Just curious, as a fedexer, what ya mean? There WERE a number of stipulations but they slid on that one.
36 JAAlbert : It isn't being sensitive, it is being respectful
37 Ikramerica : This is just not true at all. The people in charge of props, sets, costumes, special effects, etc. do painstaking research to make things as authenti
38 Shinkai : just a quick question, if they did it WITHOUT the cooperation of FedEx, does FedEx have a case to sue the studio? (for say, damages in reputation and
39 LTU932 : I don't know when they shot the film, but it certainly could have been a DC-10. Remember that there is the Boeing MD-10 programme, through which DC-1
40 N328KF : In the U.S., you can get away with this if a company's name is culturally universally synomous with a product category. For instance, Xerox would be
41 SJC4Me : Random thought: I bet this movie would look sweet on an HDTV.
42 Shinkai : whatever it is, i'm delivering my goods through FedEx now! instead of a tarnished reputation because of the crash, i kinda feel like i am part of FedE
43 CosmicCruiser : I would still bet that MOST any reference to a brand name is approved by that co. before hand. I don't see any negative publicity here at all. I've o
44 Post contains images FXramper : As stated above, the only reason the movie lets you believe the crew can't contact Tahiti control is, if they did, ATC woud know they were X amount o
45 Longhornmaniac : We're not talking about it... Cheers, Cameron
46 Dispatcher : From what I remember, and admittedly my memory is not so great, they looked into legal action and decided against it because of the negative publicit
47 Bucky707 : I agree. Further, watching the movie leaves me feeling like FedEx is made up of dedicated employees who will do anything to get my package to it's de
48 Edelag : Going a bit out of subject here, but wasn't the flight MEM-KUL? I do remember Tom Hanks saying Malaysia. Although the trip to Malaysia from Memphis is
49 XXXX10 : Same occurred to me, but he doesn't say that he was going directly to KL he could have been going via Australia. On another point he draws a map in t
50 CosmicCruiser : I really don't know but considering we had a tech pilot as an advisor helping the crew(actors) with the appropriate dialog (most was cut) and Fred Sm
51 Post contains images Shinkai : sweet! correct me if i'm wrong, isn't FedEx's south east asian hub in the philippines? ie all FX international flights go to the philippines first be
52 Lincoln : I'm somewhat suprised that no one has picked up on this yet: Airlines usually try to disassociate themselves with accidents because that is their cor
53 L-188 : Wilson was actually played by a Reebok soccer ball that had to spend 5 hours in makeup before each day's filming If I remember correctly something li
54 SparkingWave : My two cents: 1) FedEx is a cargo line, not a passenger airline, so pax probably don't care if their overnight packages crash or not, not as much say
55 Dispatcher : I obviously don't know either but I remember a company communication fact sheet regarding the movie saying something about they had considered all op
56 CosmicCruiser : No not entirely true. If you fly around Asia much on a trip you will see SFS but to say that you will hit there first is not true.
57 Kellmark : Regarding the #2 engine continuing to run after the accident is not fantasy or Hollywood at all. In the World Airways DC-10 accident in BOS in 1981, t
58 Post contains images Indy : I assume that no balls were harmed in the making of the movie
59 Memphis : I am figuring that the the "crew bunk" was HOLLY-WOOD. I have seen the MD-11 crew bunk areas and they looked nothing as spacious as the ones depicted
60 Post contains links and images PKK : Ahh the worlds longest and costliest commercial being discussed again... A search reveals: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...type=all&starter=1&s
61 CO767 : Well after seeing this movie, I only use FedEx for my shipping needs.
62 Post contains links WSOY : The name "Wilson" is no accident. The brand name owners website: http://www.amersports.com/amersports/main/index.jsp
63 YULspotter : The burning engine in the water that is still running and eventually explodes is the only thing that bugged me about this movie. Yes, I know that this
64 Virgin747 : Ahhhhh go down the list..... Remove all the threads related to the movie..... and the first return turns out to be a thread on Westjet... how pricele
65 Bennett123 : Cosmic cruiser I thought that the DC10 was still parked because they were arging about whose fault it was. David
66 RichardPrice : You do get to see a horizon right before they hit, so the pilots do get it sort of level. One of the Pan Am Flight Attendants during the 1977 KLM/Pan
67 CosmicCruiser : Dave, are you talking about the Stewart accident? The aft end of the jet burnt off and the last I heard it was sitting on some remote part of the air
68 Bennett123 : Cosmic Cruiser Perhaps I should have said dumped, not parked. I thought that it was not scrapped because they were still arguing about whose fault it
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