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Why Are DAS Air Cargo Allowed To Fly?  
User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Acording to European Commision Website's airline-ban list DAS Air Cargo are not allowed to fly. And yet, there are recent photos in the database of their aircraft in European countries:

Netherlands (in the EU):


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Why? Does this happen often?

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

I read that they can only operate into the European Union if they wet lease equipment from a country or operator which complies with International safety standards.

User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Do they fly to MIA?

i think i saw that DC10 in MIA when i was there last weekend



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

They are a danger. Friend of mine was seconded to fly with them as flight mechanic / flight loadmaster on the 707s under contract, he did one rotation to Africa and walked away. He said the planes were so overloaded and anaemic that to get airborne, the captain would push forward and pull back (and repeat) to get the nosewheel to "bounce", to start the rotation process. They had a big electrical failure en route Nairobi-Cairo, if I recall. And small stuff like reverse brackets not "locking off" after landing, my buddy would have to go around the aircraft and manually push them back into the closed position during ground stops. No regard for the life and limb of their flight crew or those under the flight path. No reason to think things have improved with the DC10.


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User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5203 times:
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This is a surprise to me. I took a picture of this one gliding into LOS from Amsterdam on September 20th 2006.

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It is a shame that they have let the pursuit of profits to cause them to cut corners. I have always wondered why they choose Entebbe, Uganda as their operational hub in Africa instead of their main sources of revenues - Lagos, Nairobi, Johannesburg, Luanda etc.  eyepopping 



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User currently onlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5191 times:
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Quoting Bh4007 (Thread starter):
Acording to European Commision Website's airline-ban list DAS Air Cargo are not allowed to fly. And yet, there are recent photos in the database of their aircraft in European countries:

That photo was taken on the 14th October.
They were banned from the 16th of October according to the press statement listed on their website.
It also currently updates us that they are "in discussions" with the commision about improving maintenance.

Kev.



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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 2):
Do they fly to MIA?

i think i saw that DC10 in MIA when i was there last weekend

No, that wasn't DAS Air Cargo. It was a former DC-10 of that airline (5X-JCR), but now flying for Arrow Cargo as N450ML. It's a very recent addition to Big A fleet. Here it is.
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Cheers. M.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

One DAS Cargo DC10 was seen in Garuda Maintenance in Jakarta last Sunday...

They do get it maintained... but only when they're forced to do it...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Are they chartering Air gemini? as seen Air gemini in Ghana at least 5times in the past 2 weeks and no DAS Airr


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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):

thanx



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9281 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 4):
choose Entebbe, Uganda as their operational hub in Africa instead of their main sources of revenues - Lagos, Nairobi, Johannesburg, Luanda e

the owner is from Uganda. The ops office and management is actually near LGW.



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User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 4):
It is a shame that they have let the pursuit of profits to cause them to cut corners.

I guess it goes to show just how hard it is for developing countries to trade on their own terms with their Western counterparts. Rather than be beholden to Western carriers charging the earth for freight, they are desperate to make it work for themselves. Perhaps sometimes, as you mention, too desperate.

There is a big part of me that admires the spirit of enterprise of DAS Air and such like but it is always measured by the need of safety for everyone concerned.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8088 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 11):
There is a big part of me that admires the spirit of enterprise of DAS Air and such like but it is always measured by the need of safety for everyone concerned.

I don't know if it's anything as noble as that. I would put it down to pure greed. They had two accidents with 707s, both fatal. (And wrote off a DC10, crew rescued thank god.)



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