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AeroMexico New Long Haul Changes/Plans/Fleet  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9270 times:

With the arrival of the 3rd B777 to AeroMexico's fleet this will be the changes in AM's long haul flights that will be taking effect eff NOV 16th 2006:

MEX-MAD goes down from 9X to 7X but now all frequencies will be flown with B777.
MEX-MTY-MAD remains with 2X flown with B767-200/300ER.
MEX-CDG remains with 2X flown with B767-200/300ER.
MEX-GRU goes up from 7X to 9X, 7X will be flown with B777 and 2 with B767-200/300ER. I guess this will be seasonal until no new competitors show on route.
MEX-SCL goes up again from 4X to 5X with B767-200/300ER.
MEX-TIJ-NRT will be 2X weekly and flown with B777.

As of lately info i've received, GIG remains under studies in AM as a tag to GRU's flight as well as AM is studying its entrance to the MEX-LON by mid 2008, but that could be anticipated... ignore if LGW or LHR if this last is possible. AM is also getting ready to launch 2X MEX-CUN-EZE with B767.

As of the last fleet changes, it is said that 2 last B757-200s in service will be switched with 1 Boeing 767-200ER and 1 B767-300ER which AM is looking for at the moment. JFK and LAX will also might be seeing once in a while B767-200/300ER service.

The 4th B777-200ER, PP-VRB is still unconfirmed, but by January 2007 I could have more news, as well if it joins, that frame would start seeing revenue service on March of 2007.

g77 APM


Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
With the arrival of the 3rd B777

When will she be arriving? Or is she home already?

__Ad.



A300/18/19/20/21 B721/2 B732/3/G/8 B741/2/4 B752 B762/3/4 B772/3 DC8/9/10 MD11 TU134/154 IL62/86 An24 SA340/2000 E45/90
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

As always thanks for the update Ghost!

They really do need more 777s! Hopefuly they can come to an agreement with ILFC for the other ex-Varig bird. Aren't they also supposed to receive their other new 777 from Boeing next year?


BTW, how many MEX-CDG's? Are you saying 2x daily, because it can't be 2x weekly.

  LatinPlane

[Edited 2006-11-11 19:58:38]

User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Yeah, I was surprised by the TIJ-NRT. But then again if you can market it to SAN that going to TIJ is still better than battling up the coast to LAX I can see where it would be a money makeer.

User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MEX-CDG remains with 2X flown with B767-200/300ER.

Only?

I thought AM had daily flights to CDG. AM is really lacking behind on long haul international services. Many airliners fly to MExico City, but AM almost doesn't fly anywhere besides North America and a few links in Europe and South America.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1831 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MEX-CDG remains with 2X flown with B767-200/300ER



Quoting Latinplane (Reply 2):
BTW, how many MEX-CDG's? Are you saying 2x daily, because it can't be 2x weekly



Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 4):
I thought AM had daily flights to CDG

MEX-CDG this winter is operated by skyteam airlines 2 to 3 times a day (depending on the day of the week) : 1 by AM and the 2 others by AF


User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Hi there,
AMX fly daily to CDG, I think it was a mistake by Ghost, and as Goldorak said Air France have 9 or 10X to Mexico City Air France 438/439 daily with a 777-200 and Air France 434/435 with an Airbus A340-300.
Greetings
Jorge M.



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

Hard to believe AM is only flying 767s to CDG. I was under the impression that some Skyteam members (DL,AF) pressured AM to use the 777 on this route. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

I really hope EZE and GIG become a reality, but specially EZE since AM already flies to Brazil.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
The 4th B777-200ER, PP-VRB is still unconfirmed, but by January 2007 I could have more news, as well if it joins, that frame would start seeing revenue service on March of 2007.

We'll be waiting for that announcement. Thanx for the information

saludos


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 1):
When will she be arriving? Or is she home already?

Hi Adriá!! Nope, she hasn't arrived yet, it's due for next week, I'll keep you posted on this thread. It will fly non-stop CAN-MEX.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 2):
Aren't they also supposed to receive their other new 777 from Boeing next year?

AFAIK, accepting VRA and VRB would put the 5th 777 in Jeopardy which was schedule for November of 2007. But with all this long haul expansion THEY SHOULD bring it. BTW, I forgot to say, 2 more undisclosed destinations in Asia are in study, I can't say much nor more, but both routes will need the B777.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 2):
BTW, how many MEX-CDG's? Are you saying 2x daily, because it can't be 2x weekly.

Sorry, BIG MISTAKE by me.. its MEX-CDG flown 7X with B767-200/300ER.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 4):
Only?

AFR fly MEX-CDG 10X with B777-200ER plus 4X A340-300 weekly.

g77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
With the arrival of the 3rd B777 to AeroMexico's fleet this will be the changes in AM's long haul flights that will be taking effect eff NOV 16th 2006:

Aeromexico has a vast fleet of a variety of MD-80 models. Does anyone know what the near future holds for this portion of the fleet?



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 9):
Aeromexico has a vast fleet of a variety of MD-80 models. Does anyone know what the near future holds for this portion of the fleet?

The once strong 46 MD82/83/87/88 fleet (4th largest in the world after AA/DL/AS/AM is now reduce to 33 frames (5:82, 4:83, 14:87, 10:88) and being replaced by Boeing 737-700s mainly. Last MD80s to leave are the -87s series by the year of 2010.

g77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 10):
The once strong 46 MD82/83/87/88 fleet (4th largest in the world after AA/DL/AS/AM is now reduce to 33 frames (5:82, 4:83, 14:87, 10:88) and being replaced by Boeing 737-700s mainly. Last MD80s to leave are the -87s series by the year of 2010.

Thanks Ghost, I figured it was only a matter of time.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6523 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8540 times:

A few years back there was talk of MEX-MSY-LGW service wirh a B762 to be flown twice or thrice weekly, similar to what BA used to do back in 1982. Of course, that was when AM still flew here. Now, I'd kill to see even a scheduled charter to Mexico.

User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8523 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
A few years back there was talk of MEX-MSY-LGW service wirh a B762 to be flown twice or thrice weekly, similar to what BA used to do back in 1982. Of course, that was when AM still flew here.

Is it right to guess that was also before it became a pain in the @$$ for people to stop in the US going between two other countries?


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6523 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8512 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 13):
Is it right to guess that was also before it became a pain in the @$$ for people to stop in the US going between two other countries?

Well it was around 1999 I think when the service was proposed. I think AM was looking at it more from a traffic standpoint...get some bodies on in MEX and at the next stop to ensure a full flight.


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8459 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 14):
Well it was around 1999 I think when the service was proposed. I think AM was looking at it more from a traffic standpoint...get some bodies on in MEX and at the next stop to ensure a full flight.

Made more sense then than it does now, because it's less attractive to those traveling between Mexico and Europe to have to deplane, go through US immigration scrutiny, etc. (There's at least one thread about the NZ AKL-LAX-LHR and what those pax have to go through, it's icky.)


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8431 times:
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Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):

Ghost,
Thanks for all the updated AM information. I truly enjoy reading your threads and posts.

In regards to AM getting more 76Xs, is there a chance they may get some of the ex RG 763s, and the they have some years on them, how about some of UA's /DL's retired 762s (if they are not already taken). Are there any ex AF 763s available?

LACA773


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
AM is studying its entrance to the MEX-LON by mid 2008, but that could be anticipated... ignore if LGW or LHR

Well, I think it will still be a matter of getting the slots. If AM got the NRT slots thanks to the assistance of the government and as a matter of reciprocity, maybe AM should pursue the same avenue for LHR... after all, BA flies here 4x weekly and our airport is close to its maximum capacity. I understand AM is party to the colocation agreement with LHR with respect to SkyTeam's move to T4. This might help but, as I said, slot availability remains the main challenge.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
it is said that 2 last B757-200s in service will be switched with 1 Boeing 767-200ER and 1 B767-300ER which AM is looking for at the moment. JFK and LAX will also might be seeing once in a while B767-200/300ER service.

The 4th B777-200ER, PP-VRB is still unconfirmed, but by January 2007 I could have more news, as well if it joins, that frame would start seeing revenue service on March of 2007.

So you mean that AM might get two more 767s to replace the 757s? If AM can get a good price, then that is a good thing (although AM configures its 762ERs with just one or two more seats than its 752s). I'd love to see AM serve JFK with a 763ER... I know that before they started MTY-MAD and the 772ERs started replacing the 762ERs, JFK would get a 762ER once weekly or so, but I never had the chance to fly one in this route.

As for PP-VRB, I thought LipeGIG mentioned at some point that it was confirmed and that delivery would take place before the end of this year. Maybe I am confused.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
AM is also getting ready to launch 2X MEX-CUN-EZE with B767

That would be truly fantastic! Come on AM... do it!!! I have yet to visit Argentina and I'd love to fly AM!

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
more undisclosed destinations in Asia are in study,

ICN would seem a logical choice to me. Anyone care to speculate about other possibilities? I'll throw one on the table: HKG. I know many of you will say that mainline Chinese cities (PEK or PVG) might be more interesting and, especially, profitable in the long run, but HKG still remains a major business, financial and tourism center in Asia (and offers good business prospects for cargo too).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7073 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
ICN would seem a logical choice to me. Anyone care to speculate about other possibilities? I'll throw one on the table: HKG. I know many of you will say that mainline Chinese cities (PEK or PVG) might be more interesting and, especially, profitable in the long run, but HKG still remains a major business, financial and tourism center in Asia (and offers good business prospects for cargo too).

As long as we are speculating, After NRT, I think Beijing will be the next venture into the Asian market. HKG is a major business center, but with China's rise to the top, Beijing will become an important destination for most majors.


User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

I hope AM like I say before goes more and more for the international flights and long haul planes, and leave the national to the many new low cost airlines... I belive that the future of AM is on the INT flights...


757 forever
User currently offlineCun757 From Mexico, joined May 2004, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
As of the last fleet changes, it is said that 2 last B757-200s in service will be switched with 1 Boeing 767-200ER and 1 B767-300ER which AM is looking for at the moment

Do you mean that they going to ad another 767/300 and one 767/200..?
Where from..?



757 forever
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Fresh off the press.

Aeromexico orders 2 more 787s and 10 more 737NGs.

Boeing, Aeroméxico Announce 737-700 and 787 Dreamliner Orders



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6880 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 16):
In regards to AM getting more 76Xs, is there a chance they may get some of the ex RG 763s, and the they have some years on them, how about some of UA's /DL's retired 762s (if they are not already taken). Are there any ex AF 763s available?



Quoting Cun757 (Reply 20):
Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
As of the last fleet changes, it is said that 2 last B757-200s in service will be switched with 1 Boeing 767-200ER and 1 B767-300ER which AM is looking for at the moment

Do you mean that they going to ad another 767/300 and one 767/200..?
Where from..?

I was browsing air-trading websites and as of November, there are 27 767s available:


  • 21 767-200/200EM (no 200ER series) manufactured between 81-83. Powered with PW and GE engines. It seems they come from DL or UA. Some of them in need of heavy maintenance (C or D checks). I don't think AM is interested.

  • 1 767-300ER manufactured in 88 and powered with PW4056 engines.

  • 1 767-300ER manufactured in 92, powered with GE engines, available by Q207.

  • 2 767-300ER manufactured in 91, powered with PW4060 engines, available by Q207. Good candidates for AM.

  • 2 767-300ER manufactured in 00, powered with PW4062 engines, available by Q207. I think these frames come off of leases from Ethiopian and in my opinion, the most suitable for AM: they have more lifting power, they are newer and have engine commonality with XA-APB (AM's sole 763, also powered with PW4062) so, both of them might be an very good option.


Perhaps, there are many more 767s out there. Hopefully AM takes them!

Fyano


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 16):
In regards to AM getting more 76Xs, is there a chance they may get some of the ex RG 763s, and the they have some years on them, how about some of UA's /DL's retired 762s (if they are not already taken). Are there any ex AF 763s available?

It's highly unlikely they get the last 3 IIRC ex. RG B763s as they have GE's and AM has PW on all it's B757/767 fleet. As for UA's and DL's those are non-ER versions and too old! In another case, then they shouldn't have let to XA-TNS and XA-RVZ, but for some reason they did!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
So you mean that AM might get two more 767s to replace the 757s?

Yeap!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
I'd love to see AM serve JFK with a 763ER..

Even thu they don't get more B767s, the B762/3s have recently been seen at JFK and LAX!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
As for PP-VRB, I thought LipeGIG mentioned at some point that it was confirmed and that delivery would take place before the end of this year. Maybe I am confused.

Confirmation of PP-VRB was a little bit confusing, but now with the latest info given by Felipe to me and other sources in Mexico at AM, it's now safe to say PP-VRB is also mexican. It will take some more time... we might probably be seeing it by March of 2007 in operation.

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 20):
Where from..?

There are many sources! Check reply 22!

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 22):

I too agree those two last frames listed are the best choices for AM due to mfd years and engines!

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 22):
21 767-200/200EM (no 200ER series) manufactured between 81-83. Powered with PW and GE engines.

Wasn't one of the freight haulers looking at these?
Can't remember if it was DHL, UPS, or BlueDart (India).

I think these have lived beyond their passenger carrying usefulness....but who knows anymore, I'm sure they'd be good additions to a second or third-world nation's airline, just not AeroMexico's.



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25 Post contains links EddieDude : An interesting article appeared today in the internet: http://mx.invertia.com/noticias/noti...dNoticia=200611162004_INF_30237339 (sorry, Spanish only)
26 XA744 : To me, this is nowadays where the real market niche between Japan and Mexico is. Our cargo carriers are a joke and do not reflect at all the size of
27 Lucianflyboy : Any early reports of how this flight is doing? I've had alot of clients tell me that it beats having to connect in LAX/IAH/DFW to get to NRT. And sin
28 Cessnalady : JL flies 2x/wk on Tuesdays and Fridays: JL011 departs MEX at 08:55 arriving to NRT at 17:05 next day. Since AM departs Mondays and Thursdays, MEX and
29 Ghost77 : Well, if they've spoken, I'll disclose what I know...it is said, PVG will be for MX as HKG and ICN for AM as well as another destination is on the ro
30 EddieDude : Well, well, well. Very interesting Ghost! Thanks for the update. So if MX is looking at PVG (I assume from TIJ), it really needs to get at least one o
31 Adriaticus : I'm not sure MX's existing B763ER would suffice for the YVR-PVG hop. The most efficient GC route is almost 4900nm long, with strong headwinds to the
32 Post contains images Ghost77 : And here it is N774AM finally at home during its arrival: FRF was last Tuesday 21st and flew as AM014 MEX-GRU. Now we're only missing ex.PP-VRB and ho
33 N200WN : A little off topic, but I just wanted to mention that AeroLitoral's ticket counter in SAT was just redone to reflect AM's new mainline service to MEX.
34 The777Man : Hi Ricardo ! Nice pictures! So ex-PP-VRB will join AM for sure ? The777Man
35 N405MX : Maybe not, as MX want´s a lease for less than 5 years and the available leases are for 10 years, but still not discarted. Told last week maybe we wi
36 Adriaticus : Thanks, Logan. The question would therfore be: What are the options? Is there a plausible one? It looks like finding a suitable B762ER is becoming pr
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