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AA Ending ORD-CAE; BOS-BWI; Other Changes  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32690 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

Nothing earth shattering, but for those who care, American Eagle will be discontinuing recently launched daily non-stop service between O'Hare and Colombia, South Carolina on 13 December 2006. Also, service between Boston and Baltimore, ran since 2001 thanks largely to a contract to carry military traffic, will end on 13 December 2006. American Eagle was operating five daily weekday round-trips.

On 14 December 2006, Miami-Charlotte will get a fourth daily round-trip and Dallas-Charleston, SC will get a third daily round-trip, so that is where some capacity is moving to. In addition, LaGuardia-Jacksonville will get a second frequency on Saturdays and Sundays.

Effective 1 February 2007, service between San Juan and Fort de France will go from 4x weekly to daily.


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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Is there any chance of getting a mainline jet back on MIA-CLT? The RJs have been going out fairly full.
Especially on the first CLT-MIA of the morning and the last MIA-CLT of the day.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

I'd like see Eagle run MDT-MIA. The MDT-DFW flight started in September is doing very well. MDT has no nonstop service to Florida.

User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 2):
I'd like see Eagle run MDT-MIA. The MDT-DFW flight started in September is doing very well. MDT has no nonstop service to Florida.

Yes, there are a lot of small and midsize cities that would work well out of MIA, but I think/hope that AA/Eagle will beef up the frequencies on some cities that are served only once a day before they enter new markets.

Extra frequencies would be nice to BDL, DEN, RIC, ORF, SDF, CMH, CLE, PIT, GSO, CVG.

MIA-SFO could really use another flight.

An early MIA-LAS with a midday return would be good for the local market as well as connections to/from S. America.

If Eagle were to start new cities out of MIA my guess would be high yielders like PNS, XNA and HPN.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Still waiting for that elusive SEA-MIA to return. At this point, probably unlikely until next Winter though ....

We need a daylight departure/evening return here in SEA to really be able to take advantage of AA's Miami network.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
We need a daylight departure/evening return here in SEA to really be able to take advantage of AA's Miami network.

YES RwSEA we are missing that flight on this end too. BUT if/when we do get the daylight departure/eve return do you think it will be operated by AA or AS???

I heard from the AS MIA station manager that they were considering a second daily flight.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

I heard a rumor (yes i know rumors are bad) that AA realized they cut PVD a little too much...86% cut (5x MD80 4 ORD 1 DFW) down to 3x weight restricted ERds.

To add credibility to the rumor the supposed start date coincided with 1 year from the mainline pull out ( 1 year recall for mainline employees or something like that) so after the year is up? (April 2007)



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
AA realized they cut PVD a little too much

They cut PVD way too much. They packed in those MD-80's...I flew them several times to/from college in PVD. I could see maybe a seasonal downgrade of a flight or two, but going to all Eagle at PVD really was a poor move. I guess they wanted to see UA gain more market share...at AA's own expense.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
They cut PVD way too much.

Perhaps when they saw all their FF's went to US and UA (Star is roughly 1/3 of PVD flights) rather than drive to BOS for AA..... didnt work out like they had hoped!



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

And some of us here in SAN are wondering when the long-rumored n/s to MIA is going to appear on the schedules... And, if it's going to be seasonal, exactly what season would that be?  boggled 

bb


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

If Eagle is dropping its ORD-CAE trip, what route is getting that ORD slot?

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

I agree that AE's cut on the BOS-BWI market isn't a surprise. There are 23 WN nonstops between PVD/MHT-BWI and how ever many FL flights from BOS itself. Talk about some heavy competition - never mind B6 and UA to IAD and all the shuttle type stuff to DCA...

As for AA and PVD, well what can I say. I understand that AA is keen on controlling costs, but I often wonder how much they give up on the revenue side when they do something as drastic as they did in PVD. PVD sure isn't close to being an important market for AA, but PVD supplied a good number of passengers to the AA system, some of whom were loyal high-tier FF's. I think PVD might be a case where AA should have found a happy medium in what they were offering and the current schedule. Since the station costs have plumetted with the removal of all direct AA payroll, I figure that a DFW and a MIA (1X daily each) mainline might be much more attractive now. I've all but given up completely on AA at PVD, so anything more than 3X ERD to ORD would be a surprise right now...


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

PVD757--I wonder if PVD was something of a victim of AA's lack of 100-seat a/c and tiny number of 70-seat a/c. They've got Biblical numbers of Mad Dogs and Lawn Darts, and almost nothing in between. If there was a decent group of AA FF people in the area, you'd think that the market could have supported say 3 100-seat dailies or 4 70-seat dailies to ORD.

But with CR7's needing to be rationed like gas coupons during World War II, and Mad Dogs maybe a little too much capacity and high cost for decent frequency after 9/11, PVD got all Embraers, just like Upstate NY did. ROC and SYR do get a CR7 to DFW, but otherwise we're Lawn Dart country for AA.

Jim



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 10):
If Eagle is dropping its ORD-CAE trip, what route is getting that ORD slot?

I wondered the same thing. Can someone refresh me on when the slots are valid between. Is it 9am to 8pm? I've noticed that Eagle has pushed a lot of their last bank flights to after 8pm arrivals thus not requiring slots. If that's the case, where are these slots going and which cities are seeing an increase in flights? I know TOL isn't seeing them, their schedule turns really wierd to a 6am, 10am, 4pm, and 8pm departures. First 3 will be full, but the last one won't as history has shown it out of here. Obviously they are trying to increase utilization, but who's picking up what?


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Whats stopping Eagle from getting more planes? Probably a dumb question, Im guessing money?

How will they enter new markets, and do they even plan to?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32690 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
Whats stopping Eagle from getting more planes? Probably a dumb question, Im guessing money?

Caution, not money. AMR's American Eagle operation is profitable, and as is AMR itself.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
Whats stopping Eagle from getting more planes? Probably a dumb question, Im guessing money?

Well, in a sense.

It's not that Eagle doesn't have money. As MAH said, Eagle is profitable. The reason that Eagle cancelled all of its remaining outstanding EMB orders about 18 months ago was largely because of the state of the economy and the economics of the jets. RJ operating costs have gone through the roof with the spike in fuel prices, and their cost structures weren't all that great to begin with. In addition, Eagle probably foresaw -- correctly, in my view -- that with the softening worldwide demand for the 50-seat RJ class of aircraft, they are probably going to have quite a wide selection of second-hand EMB145 jets in the next 5 years if they should need to immediately ramp up capacity. (ExpressJet, alone, may have a few dozen that it looks to try and offload in the next couple of months.)


User currently offlineBwione From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
I agree that AE's cut on the BOS-BWI market isn't a surprise. There are 23 WN nonstops between PVD/MHT-BWI and how ever many FL flights from BOS itself. Talk about some heavy competition - never mind B6 and UA to IAD and all the shuttle type stuff to DCA...

Actually, they did quite well in the market until Delta also added RJ service between BWI and Boston and then heavily discounted the fares. Delta has been charging $118 RT recently, well below break-even. AA just decided it wasn't worth hanging in the market any longer.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
Whats stopping Eagle from getting more planes?

For the larger aircraft, it's pilot contracts. AA's mainline union pact allows for only 25 70-seat jets to be operated by American Eagle, and no more. They're running all the CR7s they can.

AA and CO have pretty much the stiffest scope clauses left in the US.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

What's stopping AA from getting some E90/E95 for that 100+ seat range that they are lacking? Not that it seems to matter to AA.. but just wondering..


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):

Caution, not money. AMR's American Eagle operation is profitable, and as is AMR itself.

So basically, they have no interest in growing and expanding their network because theyre profitbale?


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 18):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
Whats stopping Eagle from getting more planes?

For the larger aircraft, it's pilot contracts. AA's mainline union pact allows for only 25 70-seat jets to be operated by American Eagle, and no more. They're running all the CR7s they can.

AA and CO have pretty much the stiffest scope clauses left in the US.



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
What's stopping AA from getting some E90/E95 for that 100+ seat range that they are lacking? Not that it seems to matter to AA.. but just wondering..

ummm.. I think some one mentioned it, but Scope, and well honestly the AA contract becomes amendable here in the near future... so growing eagle with out growing mainline at this point could be not such a good idea... if they have any hope of getting that scope clause changed..



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 12):
PVD757--I wonder if PVD was something of a victim of AA's lack of 100-seat a/c and tiny number of 70-seat a/c.

I would agree. Upstate NY at least got some sense of frequency though - PVD's 3X daily is a paltry level of service IMO...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32690 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):

So basically, they have no interest in growing and expanding their network because theyre profitbale?

They are cautious. They will grow when there is need to. Right now, they don't see the need.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
What's stopping AA from getting some E90/E95 for that 100+ seat range that they are lacking? Not that it seems to matter to AA.. but just wondering..

Nothing, other than negotiating a pay scale for it with the APA.

With both US and NW contracting for the EMB-190 in as a mainline aircraft, the outsourcing line has pretty much been drawn (for now) at the 100-seat range. Anything that size will come in as an American jet, not Eagle.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
25 Incitatus : Being profitable is not a sufficient condition for a company to expand. If you look at the financial results from most airlines, including American,
26 ElmoTheHobo : I remember reading here and hearing from elsewhere that American has already figured out its next generation of 70+ seater aircraft. These aircraft w
27 HPAEAA : any ideas where the a/c from the bwi Runs are going to be redeployed?
28 Wedgetail737 : I'm sure that's a real possibility considering AS is still taking delivery of 738's. In fact, I think there is one on its way down the Renton line to
29 MAH4546 : That's good to hear. The problem with the current flight is that the SEA-MIA flight connects to Caribbean and MIA-SEA connects from LatAm, so connect
30 FCYTravis : Yeah, if it's a 70+ seater I would guess Eagle. But someone above mentioned the potential of E190/195 aircraft. Those are 100+, and I would be shocke
31 Flyinryan99 : Someone mentioned above the contract becomes amendable soon with the pilots and IMO we will see this happen: Pilots have been vocal to get more pay no
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