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Jet Airways To Begin BOM-BRU-EWR In Summer 07'!  
User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10866 times:
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Hello !!

It's now been made official by the Belgian Prime minister who has come back from an economic mission trip in India: 9W will fly BOM-BRU-EWR from next summer on !! The very respected "Tijd" newspaper also confirmed:
http://www.tijd.be/mijn_nieuws/artikel.asp?Id=2531802

This much awaited announcement implies another important question:
- Which airplane will be used ? The 77W was the favourite one, but they will only get their first machine in march. They need at least two machines on the line for a daily flight...
- Is "next summer" end of march or may, June ?
- Why 9W hasn't chosen to fly direct BOM-EWR ? Isn't that in a 77W's range ?

Anyway an excellent news for Brussels Airport.


FB.


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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Thread starter):
BRU-EWR

Does this mean DoT approved 9W's application, i could not find any such document on DoT web site!

I dont know when 9W will receive 77W but they have A340's that they can probably use.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
I dont know when 9W will receive 77W

1st B777 2nd Quarter 2007.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24789 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

No disrespect, however I would hardly not call anything "official" that the Prime Minister of Belgium has to say in regards to airlines operating to the United States.

Jet Airways has yet after of two years of trying been granted approvals to serve EWR. There is a lenghty case history of Jet Airways to do with the question of one of its primary funders being linked to Al Qaeda and being named on a Treasury Department list of suspected terrorism funders. Plus then there is the issue of the name Jet Airways being registered for use by some East Coast travel agency which needs to be cleared up also.



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User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5014 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10752 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
No disrespect, however I would hardly not call anything "official" that the Prime Minister of Belgium has to say in regards to airlines operating to the United States.

While it was the belgian PM who made the announcement, it was in the presence of Naresh Goyal of 9W.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24789 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10743 times:

Lets see if/when approvals are forth coming. 9W has been indicating its desire to serve BRU-EWR since its initial application to commence services summer 2005.


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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10721 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 4):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
No disrespect, however I would hardly not call anything "official" that the Prime Minister of Belgium has to say in regards to airlines operating to the United States.

While it was the belgian PM who made the announcement, it was in the presence of Naresh Goyal of 9W

Naresh Goyal has no say as to who operates to the US of A.
This announcement is insignificant unless DOT grants its approval to fly to US.


User currently offlineAKLDELNonstop From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

If NG doesnt get approval why doesnt he fly BOM/DEL-BRU-YYZ?

User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5014 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 6):
Naresh Goyal has no say as to who operates to the US of A.

Didn't say that, did I? But if he's there when it's said, chances are he knows a little more about whether they'll get permission or not than you do...


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Jet Airways has yet after of two years of trying been granted approvals to serve EWR. There is a lenghty case history of Jet Airways to do with the question of one of its primary funders being linked to Al Qaeda and being named on a Treasury Department list of suspected terrorism funders.

Which is probably a truckload of BS drummed up by some obscure American company with the same name as 9W, who are trying their best to stop 9W from flying to the US.....


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

Big deal.

CO flies EWR-DEL nonstop and DL flies JFK-BOM nonstop.
That is the standard and 9W and AI can all take a backseat with their one-stop b.s.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10281 times:
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Quoting Texdravid (Reply 10):
one-stop b.s

Waouww !! Nice man !!

The b.s company will have 10 brand new 77W, while "high-class" almost bankrupt DL has to cry to get two 772LRs !!!



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10223 times:

Here's an article on Jet's future international expansion to the Americas.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/421455.cms

Interesting to read that Delhi - Dusseldorf - Toronto will also be launched next year.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10202 times:
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Nonstop wouls be better, in this day an age I would have thought JETAIRWAYS would have made a big splash by going nonstop. 773ER should go nonstop if Delta is going with a 772ER fro JFK to Mumbai.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

The standard of service on Jet Airways is fantastic.

A one-stop to BOM on Jet is preferable than a non-stop on Delta.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Why is Jet picking EWR, over JFK? Also, is there anyword on AI nonstop to NYC in 2007?


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User currently offlineFloris From Netherlands, joined Jun 2003, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

If they ever get permission to fly to the US, which I think is hightly unlikely, then it is safe to say that they will have to kill the BRU stop in the very near future if they want to be competitive.

User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

why would the Dot not approve Jet Airways?? This is a free market economy.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24789 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 17):
why would the Dot not approve Jet Airways?? This is a free market economy.

See reply 3.

The carrier has been in the middle of a long running saga the last two years in regards to its stated intentions to serve the US.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5231 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 11):
The b.s company will have 10 brand new 77W, while "high-class" almost bankrupt DL has to cry to get two 772LRs !!!

Clearly you know very little about DL or the turnaround that they have made in Chapter 11 or you wouldn't be posting such crap. Besides, regardless of the way in which they have acquired them, those 2 772LR's will be just as new as 9W's 773's making yours a moot point. And, in all honesty your assesment of how they were acquired is, more or less, hyperbole.

Anyway, the point he was trying to make was that there has been a paradigm shift in terms of US East Coast-India flying. While the previous standard called for onestop flying, the current standard calls for nonstops. Frankly, it does not matter how new 9W's aircraft are, its US-India service will not be competitive with CO, DL, and AA until it offers an India-USA nonstop.



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 4):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
No disrespect, however I would hardly not call anything "official" that the Prime Minister of Belgium has to say in regards to airlines operating to the United States.

While it was the belgian PM who made the announcement, it was in the presence of Naresh Goyal of 9W.



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 8):
Quoting Manny (Reply 6):
Naresh Goyal has no say as to who operates to the US of A.

Didn't say that, did I?

You were responding to a statement that correctly stated that the PM of Belgium had no say in who operated to US. Your response, was Naresh Goyal was there. Hence my response!!!!

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 8):

But if he's there when it's said, chances are he knows a little more about whether they'll get permission or not than you do...

You are speculating that he knows something more that he is saying. I do not think that even deserves a response.

Have a good day, mate!.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9722 times:

I wonder if 9W will get the routes they have sought for. I must say they are beginning to expand. Couldn't imagine DUS and BRU.

DEL-HKG-YYZ
DEL-DUS-YYZ
BOM-BRU-JFK
BOM-PVG-SFO

if they do get it, i think 9W would do quite well in these routes as their inflight service will be better than most American carriers, no offense to anyone.

here is the link:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/J...ights_to_US/articleshow/421455.cms



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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 21):
DEL-HKG-YYZ
DEL-DUS-YYZ
BOM-BRU-JFK
BOM-PVG-SFO

Why two flights to YYZ instead of NYC or SFO? I would imagine those are bigger markets anyway.

Also in NYC is it JFK or EWR? I am not sure exactly which one theya re going to.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9427 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 19):
Anyway, the point he was trying to make was that there has been a paradigm shift in terms of US East Coast-India flying. While the previous standard called for onestop flying, the current standard calls for nonstops. Frankly, it does not matter how new 9W's aircraft are, its US-India service will not be competitive with CO, DL, and AA until it offers an India-USA nonstop.

I don't think that's true.

For one, many American travellers are beholden to their Frequent Flyer programs. If you're flying from LA or SFO or DFW or IAD, what is the advantage of taking a one-stop via ORD, JFK or EWR on AA, DL or CO to India, if you can take a one-stop via FRA or VIE (on LH or OS) or through LHR on BA? And for those who fly upfront, the standard on BA far surpasses any of the US carriers, so the one-stops are still viable choices. If 9W can offer a standard of service that both Indian and US business travellers value over the nonstops, it doesn't have to worry anytime soon.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9393 times:

couple of quick comments!!

Delhi-Dusseldorf-Toronto: Why not via Munich?? What is there in Dusseldorf, or am I missing anything. Why two flights from Delhi to Toronto when AI and AC already do without aircraft change. Won't Mumbai-Dusseldorf/Munich-Toronto be a better option. They are leaving Toronto-Mumbai open to AC.

Delhi-Hong Kong-Toronto: My My this is a killer. Toronto is all about Desis and Chinese and if they play their cards well they can contemplate "double-daily". Plus Delhi-Hong Kong crowd. All they need is tie up with carriers for other cities on west coast.

Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco is another icing on the cake.

Seriously, I wish the concerned bilateral are liberalized and they are able to realize their dreams.

rgds

VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
25 Sunandan : From my knowledge, Dusseldorf is the industrial heart of Germany, also known as the Ruhr region. Other industrial cities in the area include Cologne
26 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Hi Planetime..... YYZ has a huge Indian population, but I agree...a carrier which flies SFO/SJC-India is going to clean up house!
27 Manny : I doubt they can fly 2 daily flights to YYZ. I hope someone can confirm this. But i was under the impression that the revised India-Canada bilateral
28 Panamair : You have to go through LHR - with those rickety connecting buses and the Flight Connection Centre - enough said; those factors easily negate any pote
29 DIJKKIJK : more like Dusseldorf is cheaper to operate to, and better slots are available there.
30 Gr8Circle : Where does it say in these news reports, that 9W will operate daily to YYZ via HKG and DUS each....it will probably end up being 3x on both the route
31 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Do you think they will provide competitive connections on 9W domestic flights from DEL to BOM, to capture some of the YYZ-BOM traffic? That would be
32 Scorpio : Um, no I'm not. If he was there and he ALLOWED the PM to say the route would go to EWR, it's only normal that that is indeed what will happen. The Pr
33 Post contains images Aseem : I am sure they'll time it that way, but then you don't have to take 9W to DEL to fly them domestic to BOM. On the lighter side, why can't Gujju lobby
34 Mk777 : It would be nice to see 9W at IAD. They could do one or two of these routes depending on aircraft availability. DEL-FCO-IAD DEL-MXP-IAD DEL-MAD-IAD DE
35 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Hey Aseem, stop rolling around like that!!! I'm just a typical a.nutter, looking at the possibility of a looooooong flight to enjoy.....
36 AirbusfanYYZ : Might be the same solution PIA is utilizing for it's 772LRs which aren't flying non-stop to the US from Pakistan but rather stopping in Europe to sat
37 Gr8Circle : Well, Indian carriers are distinct from carriers of the neighboring country and would not be subject to such security requirements.....[Edited 2006-1
38 Manny : It does not. Nor am i implying that the article does. Operating 3 times a week through an intermediate point will not be end up attracting strong 5th
39 Manny : When a sentence starts with "IF", essentially whatever follows after that is hypothetical or speculation. Plus you make the PM of Belgium sound like
40 Post contains images Scorpio : Are we going to make this into a bitchfight over semantics? Fine. I'll rephrase the sentence: "He was there and he ALLOWED the PM to say the route wo
41 AI : or better still YYZ-MAN-BOM-AMD (i regularly travel MAN-BOM & would love a nonstop between the two). unlike some sceptics here i firmly remain convin
42 Kiramakora : I disagree. I think 9Ws product is far superior than anything offered on any U.S. airline and this would win them significant more customers. Passeng
43 Panamair : While I don't doubt that 9W will be able to fill its planes, it will be because of other factors such as price, an expanding India-US market, etc., a
44 Blrsea : 9W or any Indian carrier for that matter won't be able to make a big dent in the established carriers like LH/BA/SQ/AF's business to USA simply becaus
45 Gr8Circle : Uhh....that's exactly what I am saying buddy.....that they will operate maybe 6 or 7 flights a week alternately via HKG and BRU.....
46 Mk777 : I think 9W should offer non stop service to stay competitive as i feel US-India routes in the near future will all be non-stop atleast from all major
47 AirbusfanYYZ : Not much chance of ATL, SEA, DTW, BOS, or MCO in the near future. Cheers, Kaz
48 Aseem : SEA will suffer because of YVR, DTW bcoz of YYZ and BOS of JFK/EWR. For folks living in these places, European carriers are the best option. rgds VT-
49 OA412 : I think you answered your own question there. Passengers in those cities who are beholden to CO's, DL's, or AA's FF programs are fairly likely to fly
50 AirbusfanYYZ : Maybe, but I was responding to Mk777 post stating his desire to see 9W operate to those cities. Cheers, Kaz
51 Post contains images OA412 : Oops you're right on that. My apologies!
52 Post contains images Mk777 : What about a non-stop from IAD-DEL/BOM? no other carrier seems interested, i think 9W would do well here as it might have no competition on the non-st
53 Aseem : in all this non-stop/one-stop argument, people seem to have forgotten that 9W converted all its 2LR order into 3ER. So, there is no way they are going
54 Mk777 : Well good luck to them then with one stop competitive routes. Though I am sure they could non-stop on the 300ER.
55 Post contains images Manny : Not exactly. You are saying they will a 3x weekly flights through HKG and DUS. I am saying its more practical to have daily flight through HKG or a d
56 Post contains images Manny : Still just speculation. You need to get you head out of your a**. You cannot be a Belgian. You just called your PM a lapdog for CEO of a small foreig
57 Post contains links Karan69 : Well its finally happened 9W has recieved US clearance http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3099680/ Karan
58 Post contains links Scorpio : Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so: http://www.ibnlive.com/news/jet-gets...n-signal-to-fly-to-us/26310-7.html Ah great. The personal attack
59 Kiramakora : Good call with this. I will buy you lots of drinks after the inaugural flight.
60 Post contains images Gr8Circle : It was bound to be cleared sooner or later....
61 Manny : Still is speculation when you do not know the facts but are guessing. So many people try to pass of their guesses as pure facts.
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