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Why No QF To KUL?  
User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9048 times:

Have just got back from a LAX trip on MH and started wondering.

Why don't QF serve KUL from ANY Australian capital city?

I just find it a bit bizzare that on selected days MH operate 2 services a day out of here in PER but QF don't offer any competition. Malaysia is a big market especially from Perth.

We all know how much QF are getting slaughtered by the likes of EK, SQ and CX on the Aust-European/UK flights, but is this just another fine example of QF walking around with their eyes closed.

Maybe i'm missing the big picture here.

cheers

Tom/PER

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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9034 times:

From what I understand KUL is a low yield destinatiton so I reckon we'll see Jetstar there before QF!

Malaysian can support 2 flights ex perth as the pac are probably connecting onwards to Europe etc


User currently offlineEta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

QF used to serve KUL. I think the last routing was SYD-SIN-KUL with a 763. Quite frankly, the revenue out of KUL isn't that great, thus why several carriers have pulled out of the market.

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

perfect Jetstar opportunity...

User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

It's interesting isn't it.

Of course the Malaysian Government has such a long history of warm and friendly relations with Australia, why on earth doesn't the relatively low rate of Australian tourism to the country prompt the national airline to fly there?!

I'd much rather go to Indonesia or Singapore than set foot in that country. They've made their bed - they can lie in it.

QFF


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5826 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8889 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Thread starter):
We all know how much QF are getting slaughtered by the likes of EK, SQ and CX on the Aust-European/UK flights, but is this just another fine example of QF walking around with their eyes closed.

Got some evidance to back up this claim??? I certainly don't "know" it.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineFXMD11 From Thailand, joined Aug 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting Eta unknown (Reply 2):
QF used to serve KUL. I think the last routing was SYD-SIN-KUL with a 763

Correct. I used to take this flight ex KUL to SIN as it was pretty late, hence could work the entire day. But these were the dates when KUL's old airport
was still operating. The equipment was a 763 all 3 Classes.


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

Gemuser,

EK want to duoble their services out of PER from twice daily to four times per day, I've also heard that they want to double their flights out of every Australian city they currently fly to.

Just count the number of SQ services out of PER to SIN (4) and a good % of those pax would be going onto Europe.

So that's EK with 2 widebody's a day and were about to start seeing 773W's as of next month and SQ's 4 x daily 772's. That's 6 widebody's a day compared to QF's daily A333 or 763 depending on the day of the week. You do the maths!

QF seems to be blind when taking 'risks' and opening up new International routes. Hell how long did they toss and turn with SF and those new Chinese services!!


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

It isn't QF, but Australian as part of the QF group flew to Kuala Lumpur from Cairns.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 7):
and SQ's 4 x daily 772's. That's 6 widebody's a day compared to QF's daily A333 or 763 depending on the day of the week. You do the maths!

SQ offer 3 flights daily PER-SIN B772's, and QF offer double daily A333's.

As for QF getting slaughtered on the European routes thats not true, they hold their own againest the likes of SQ and EK to both LHR and FRA.


User currently offlineDetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 4):
I'd much rather go to Indonesia or Singapore than set foot in that country. They've made their bed - they can lie in it.

am i missing something?? what went wrong between malaysia and aus??



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Where are BA in KUL is another relevant question? Up to three flights a day on MH with no competition (admittedly there would be a lot of 6th Freedom stuff).

I also think Malaysia missed the boat on this one, as there was talk many years ago about MH entering Oneworld and QF/BA centralising a lot of their SIN & BKK traffic through KUL.

But, to go back to your question, I was baffled when QF removed the SYD-KUL-SIN service to begin with - my family flew on it several times connecting to/from NZ.

Australian used to serve Kota Kinabalu from Sydney, and I also predict Jetstar will operate to KUL in the near future.


User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8438 times:

I think it's got more to do with the fact that Qantas has an already established and thriving hub in Changi less than 1 hour away. As an international hub, it beats KUL hands down in terms of traffic and access to destinations, as well as prestige.


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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8259 times:

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 11):
I also think Malaysia missed the boat on this one, as there was talk many years ago about MH entering Oneworld and QF/BA centralising a lot of their SIN & BKK traffic through KUL.

MAS and BA were in fact discussing code-sharing agreements pre-1990 which predates Oneworld. I remember Lord King visiting Langkawi just as the island opened up for tourism for the talks and MAS flew him up there for it.

Search for my previous discussions/explanations on this complex history. Remember MAS was set up with the help of BOAC so historically they go back to 1937.

Personally with regards to BA in Malaysia, KUL remains BA's Achilles Heel in Southeast Asia and rumours are constantly flying around at Waterside that KL will be back - but I very much doubt MAS will be welcoming them back for a while.


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 7):
Gemuser,

EK want to duoble their services out of PER from twice daily to four times per day, I've also heard that they want to double their flights out of every Australian city they currently fly to.

Just count the number of SQ services out of PER to SIN (4) and a good % of those pax would be going onto Europe.

So that's EK with 2 widebody's a day and were about to start seeing 773W's as of next month and SQ's 4 x daily 772's. That's 6 widebody's a day compared to QF's daily A333 or 763 depending on the day of the week. You do the maths!

QF seems to be blind when taking 'risks' and opening up new International routes. Hell how long did they toss and turn with SF and those new Chinese services!!

Just because they want more frequency does not amount to them throttling QF on the Kangaroo route.
Have you ever thought about "lack of aircraft"? QF are in a major shortage of aircrafts, and cannot expand at all unless they want to use ultra old equipment such as 767...which we are now seeing on the NHRT route from PER. NOT GOOD!! they cannot compete with these so why start something up just to give people a bad impression of the airline when they have so much more they can offer through other aircrafts??


User currently offlineMH001 From Malaysia, joined Nov 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Government to government relations don't account for too much. During Dr.M's era - Malaysia had sour relations with America as well - but tourism and business relations between the two countries remained strong. In fact, Malaysia is US's biggest trade partner in South East Asia.

Anyways - Qantas forever - i've been to Australia a few times. Loved it there. You should try open your eyes a bit more, just like how QF should.
You'll love Malaysia, I'm sure!


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting Qantasclub (Reply 12):
I think it's got more to do with the fact that Qantas has an already established and thriving hub in Changi less than 1 hour away. As an international hub, it beats KUL hands down in terms of traffic and access to destinations, as well as prestige.

So much for a hub!!! No QF flights to SIN allow a connection to KUL except from BNE or PER. Lame excuse for QF they should have better connections from MEL/SYD.


User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

Quoting Eta unknown (Reply 2):
I think the last routing was SYD-SIN-KUL with a 763.

You've got the route reversed. It's actually SYD-KUL-SIN v.v.

Quoting Eta unknown (Reply 2):
Quite frankly, the revenue out of KUL isn't that great, thus why several carriers have pulled out of the market.

While Ansett was still flying, AN was serving KUL 9 times weekly (2 times weekly SYD-KUL on B743/B744 and 7 times weekly SYD-CGK-KUL on B763). However, even when QF was serving KUL at its peak, QF was only flying to KUL 6 times weekly (3 times weekly SYD-KUL-SIN and 3 times weekly BNE-CGK-KUL - all on B763). Even after AN's demise, QF didn't increase its frequency/capacity to KUL and subsequently axed it around 1998.


User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 4):
why on earth doesn't the relatively low rate of Australian tourism to the country prompt the national airline to fly there?!

I'd much rather go to Indonesia or Singapore than set foot in that country. They've made their bed - they can lie in it.

?

...anyway - here's my personal opinion of why...

There are large numbers of Australians flying in/out of Malaysia all the time and probably rank as one of the larger groups of foreigners (tourists and business people) visiting Malaysia. I guess most fly on MAS and SQ (having first travelled on QF, SQ, etc via SIN).

BA and QF made a 'joint' decision to leave KUL in 2000 and probably 'can't' return to Malaysia with any view to profitability for some time hence have steered clear of KUL eversince - especially in the current economic climate.

When QF left Malaysia, MAS renegotiated the ASA to gain additional rights into Australia to 'fill the void' much to QF's disgruntlement (!) and was allowed to increase flights further by code-sharing with Ansett. Since then, MAS has taken over to operate a virtual monopoly on the direct M'sia-Australia market with Austrian's planned departure proving it to be hard to compete with MAS. I guess that's a reason we don't see EK, QR, GF routing flights via KUL either.

So, if QF really wanted to re-enter the Malaysian market effectively they would have to push hard into KUL with flights ex-SYD/MEL and perhaps PER to compete with MAS for a share of the market. This 'market' just isn't viable for QF to attempt at the moment and MAS will do its best to keep QF out by expanding as much as it can to keep the 'Roo' out.

With BA, MAS did the same by obtaining BA's relinquished traffic rights to move from 14 to 22 weekly flights into LHR and MAN, having proven to the UK authorities that there was sufficient demand. Since then, BA (as mentioned) had been toying (and continues to) with the idea of returning to KUL but it simply won't touch KUL 'with a barge pole' as, in order to compete effectively, BA would have to restart perhaps at the very least, a 5x or 6x weekly LHR-KUL nonstop service.

Although the UK market seems to be changing with MAS going back down to 16x weekly soon (and dropping MAN), BA would still have an uphill struggle to return, in this fiercely competitive market, with the likes of EK, QR, GF, KL, LH, SQ, TG all offering good fares in all 3 classes (and in BA's case - good Cargo alternatives. I only mentioned this as I know BA Cargo was doing very well as they left).

Interestingly, the Germans seemed to have observed MH's tactic and ensured a swift return to KUL, and as a result, the FRA-KUL market seems fairly balanced with MAS and LH competing on a pretty equal footing - although LH fought hard with a variety of options before being able to sustain their now regular 747 operations at KUL (whilst MAS has continued to downgrade).

Hope some of that helps...


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 14):
which we are now seeing on the NHRT route from PER.

make that NRT & HKG...QF has pretty much shafted Perth when it comes to offering a decent alternative, why wouldn't you take EK421 from 1 dec with the 773ER?!

on various days you'll see the 767 doing QF77 to Singapore, pretty sure they've finally got it together and reverted back to the A333 though.

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 14):
they cannot compete with these so why start something up just to give people a bad impression of the airline when they have so much more they can offer through other aircrafts??

they don't like to compete...wonder what the obvious choice from Per-Hkg or Nrt would be now for the premium passenger? definitely not a beat up, 20 y/o 767.



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User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 13):
Personally with regards to BA in Malaysia, KUL remains BA's Achilles Heel in Southeast Asia and rumours are constantly flying around at Waterside that KL will be back - but I very much doubt MAS will be welcoming them back for a while.

IMHO, calling KUL BA's Achilles heel in Southeast Asia is a misrepresentation and gross overstatement of KUL's importance in BA's operations. BA did not keel over and as a result of losing KUL. KUL was more like BA's infected little toe, taken out of commission to spare BA the worry. Also, would MAS in its right mind ever welcome a competitor, be it BA or QF, to its turf?

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 18):
demand. Since then, BA (as mentioned) had been toying (and continues to) with the idea of returning to KUL but it simply won't touch KUL 'with a barge pole' as, in order to compete effectively, BA would have to restart perhaps at the very least, a 5x or 6x weekly LHR-KUL nonstop service.
Although the UK market seems to be changing with MAS going back down to 16x weekly soon (and

Since BA left, MH has been the sole operator of KUL-LHR vv nonstops. Yet after years of monopoly on the nonstop, MH has to cut back on LHR frequencies because of losses. Seeing this, how desirable does KUL look in the eyes of BA?

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 18):
Interestingly, the Germans seemed to have observed MH's tactic and ensured a swift return to KUL, and as a result, the FRA-KUL market seems fairly balanced with MAS and LH competing on a pretty equal footing - although LH fought hard with a variety of options before being able to sustain their now regular 747 operations at KUL (whilst MAS has continued to downgrade).

LH was gone from KUL for a few years, so I wouldn't call it a swift return. The 'regular 747 operations' are 4x weekly all via BKK. MH, having already gone from daily down to 5x weekly on the FRA route where it is the sole nonstop carrier, was more recently even questioning the viability of the route. So much for MH's tactics huh?

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 11):
I also think Malaysia missed the boat on this one, as there was talk many years ago about MH entering Oneworld and QF/BA centralising a lot of their SIN & BKK traffic through KUL.

I recall there was some talk although I seem to recall (maybe incorrectly) that the buzz came mostly out of Kuala Lumpur. If QF/BA were really close to betting on KUL back then, they should probably be heaving a sigh of relief now.


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
Since BA left, MH has been the sole operator of KUL-LHR vv nonstops. Yet after years of monopoly on the nonstop, MH has to cut back on LHR frequencies because of losses. Seeing this, how desirable does KUL look in the eyes of BA?

Completely different market. BA would provide more direct and greater options for one-world to Europe (rather than having to use CX backwards via HKG).

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
Also, would MAS in its right mind ever welcome a competitor, be it BA or QF, to its turf?

Although it has nothing to do with MH, they actually do work actively to promote KUL, and more precisely Malaysia, even if it is at the cost of market share. Free landing rights for the first year (by Govt) and severely discounted ground charges, as they have previously offered, would provide you some indication of this.

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
recall there was some talk although I seem to recall (maybe incorrectly) that the buzz came mostly out of Kuala Lumpur. If QF/BA were really close to betting on KUL back then, they should probably be heaving a sigh of relief now.

Not too sure what you are basing these comments on. It was Malaysia who were rejecting the numerous proposals being put forward at the time. They probably won't be heaving a sigh of relief if SIN restrict QF's movements through Changi as a result of Australia blocking SQ's US flights through SYD.


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
Also, would MAS in its right mind ever welcome a competitor, be it BA or QF, to its turf?

did i not just say that?

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
Seeing this, how desirable does KUL look in the eyes of BA?

again - did i not just say that too?

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
MH, having already gone from daily down to 5x weekly on the FRA route where it is the sole nonstop carrier, was more recently even questioning the viability of the route

...perhaps because LH offers a great Business product too on this route. Granted its not non-stop but could LH be denting MAS' margin at FRA? Personally, I use LH fairly often despite originating in LHR as their flight leaves at a reasonable time despite the stop in BKK. Besides, LH also carries a fair bit of freight hence the 747s are staying at KUL for a while.

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
. So much for MH's tactics huh?

i didn't say they were 'bad' tactics as you seem to have interpreted. If anything MH was pretty cunning as demonstrated by the my inference that BA now can't see KUL as a viable route due to MAS aggressive negotiations at its departure.

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
I recall there was some talk although I seem to recall (maybe incorrectly) that the buzz came mostly out of Kuala Lumpur.

MAS was in fact almost a frontrunner of Oneworld before the name Oneworld was even conjured - even in London. I recall Lord King negotiating with MAS in the early 1990s when Langkawi Island Resort was the only resort on that island. BA/AA were also at their infancy at the same time before QF was brought to the table which MAS was not too keen on - as MAS saw itself as providing all necessary Australian connections.

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 20):
calling KUL BA's Achilles heel in Southeast Asia is a misrepresentation and gross overstatement of KUL's importance in BA's operations.

Perhaps an overstatement agreed, but KUL was in fact a rather important station to BA. BA had 'hub' rights at KUL which it does not have in either Bangkok or Singapore (I believe both cities remain only as 6th freedom ports). This important distinction means that BA could have theoretically based a small fleet and operated out of KUL to various international points if it had chosen to. Unlikely - but nevertheless important rights to hold.

Apart from using KUL as a transit stop for regional services eg. MNL and CGK (stations also now closed), BA was looking into services to SGN and DPS via KUL before the 1997 crash which changed the local scene. Even at the eleventh hour, BA was about to replace its 6x BA33 777 LHR-KUL service to a 5x 777 and 2x 747 LHR-KUL service (think it was supposed to have been LHR-KUL-MNL) for winter 2001/2002, but as we all know Rod Eddington pulled the plug on that one shortly before.

KUL also remained BA's trading centre for BA's Malaysia, Brunei and Singapore operations before it handed over all SE Asian operations to Qantas (based at Singapore) - when its offices in Rohas Perkasa were eventually closed.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5826 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Quoting Mas777 (Reply 22):
BA/AA were also at their infancy at the same time before QF was brought to the table which MAS was not too keen on - as MAS saw itself as providing all necessary Australian connections.

I dont have full details of the sequence of events, BUT QF was at the table before MH, in fact it was QFs table. They brought AA & BA together having had a long standing relationship with both, BA & predecessors since 1934! and with AA since the early 1980s they suggested to both that that they may find cooperation possiable and fruitful with the other. It was from this and other meetings that Oneworld eventually grew.



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User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 21):
Completely different market. BA would provide more direct and greater options for one-world to Europe (rather than having to use CX backwards via HKG).

Any BA service from LHR to KUL would be fighting (first and foremost against MH) for passengers traveling between these two cities. How is that a completely different market? UA and BA both fly LHR-SFO; are they in completely different markets then with regard to the LHR-SFO route?

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 21):
Although it has nothing to do with MH, they actually do work actively to promote KUL, and more

By 'they', you mean Malaysia Airport Holdings Bhd (MAHB). I am aware of what MAHB has tried in order to attract airlines to KUL. We both agree then it has nothing to do with MH, which was what I was trying to get at.

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 21):
numerous proposals being put forward at the time. They probably won't be heaving a sigh of relief if SIN restrict QF's movements through Changi as a result of Australia blocking SQ's US flights through SYD.

SQ's Australia-U.S. request has been rejected at least twice in the past couple of years. The Singapore side has indeed protested on the grounds that QF has been given beyond rights at SIN, but that is different from actually restricting QF's rights, which hasn't happened and my guess is that Singapore knows better than to compromise its own hub position on account of this rejection.


25 Econojetter : here is what you said... ... to which I wondered: Is it even MAS' business to welcome them or not? Would an airline ever welcome a competitor to its
26 QANTASforever : I mean no personal disrespect, but no thank you. The things your government has said about my country are disgusting. I'm quite happy for the two of
27 Fly2CHC : Sounds like Malaysia is far better off without you. It's such an impressive country, and doesn't need close-minded visitors. With respect to your com
28 QANTASforever : Maybe because it's full of close-minded Prime Ministers? I guess so - I'm from Australia so I'm not an authority. As far as I can tell - there's noth
29 Fly2CHC : Which is I guess why its economy has developed at a much greater rate than Australia's in the last few decades. Same diff these days
30 MH001 : Qantas forever - i wonder what those disgusting statements were that compelled you to avoid Malaysia completely? I have a short memory - but I remembe
31 Post contains images QANTASforever : Because we're of course talking about economic performance here. But if you insist: remind me - who has the largest economy out of Australia, Malaysi
32 VHVXB : you have any sources to prove that?
33 Chrisrad : I dont let political ranglings interfere with my travel to countries or affect which airline I choose to fly. I go there to experience the culture, t
34 Bill142 : Maybe it has slipped some peoples minds that Mahathir is no longer in power in Malaysia and relations have improved since Abdullah Ahmad Badawi came t
35 Fly2CHC : Sure...just look at wikipedia for a start. Australia GDP Growth 2.5%, Malaysia GDP Growth 7.4%
36 MAS777 : I beg to differ - flew Club regularly LHR-KUL-LHR from the early 1980s onwards and SuperClub and CW was usually quite busy. When BA downgraded to the
37 MAS777 : think you missed the semantics of my comment. MAS was and still is (as you said) very happy to see the back of BA and as I mentioned, rumours continu
38 QANTASforever : After which he promptly resigned from politics and proceeded to attempt suicide. Because you see - in this country, we don't put up with comments lik
39 Fly2CHC : And how long did you say Pauline Hanson was in Government????
40 Ryanair!!! : This is probably non-av. But Pauline Hanson, as embarassing as she was to Aussie politics, I felt it took guts for her to do what she did. Her party
41 Gemuser : This bit I don't understand. As I understand the sitution BA still has the RIGHTS to serve KUL, as the UK goverment has not allocated them to anyone
42 QANTASforever : She was a backbencher in parliament for the ruling Liberal party for about a year. She never held any official government post, and was disendorsed f
43 Planemanofnz : Any plans for NZ?
44 VHVXB : Well they can have one more service from MEL to AKL
45 Ryanair!!! : She seems (or seemed) like an idiot because she lacked the finesse in political savy. But still, she did touch on a few sore points which most politi
46 VHVXB : or like Sydney-Kuching-KUL
47 ZK-NBT : EK applied for PER-AKL a while back and were denied by the Australian side as I understand it. They can't currently as they are only allowed 4 daily
48 VHVXB : thanks for that I didn't know they were restricted to 4 flights a day
49 Post contains images CoolSkyGuy : I think this is a very arrogant remark... where would Australia be if it has not been a loyal deputy Sheriff to the US?   May be you should be bette
50 VHVXB : If so then this maybe a possible JQ destination considering there will be no competition on KUL-SYD when OS pull out
51 Ryanair!!! : Err... have we forgotten about MH's 2 daily flight to SYD?
52 VHVXB : Not at all, sorry I didn't make it clear. Once OS pull out it will be a monopoly for MH on the SYD route
53 CoolSkyGuy : I thought OS has already pulled out its operations to both SIN and KUL months earlier?
54 VHVXB : No this will happen at the end of March for the VIE-KUL-SYD service and I assume the MEL service will be at the same time
55 Post contains links Chrisrad : Right, thats why MH is the 5th largest airline in Australia? and Malaysia is the 4th most popualar port they pass through from Australia? Top airline
56 CoolSkyGuy : wow, good facts... Thanks Chrisrad for the info... didn't know Australia has such a small circle of popular Destinations, no Europen countries in the
57 Chrisrad : Well no, because we are talking about Ports, i.e hubs for airlines.
58 Fly2CHC : Think you need to do a bit more research on your own internal affairs my friend... No...never...of course not!!! Where should I start? Who was the la
59 Aussieboggie : Attempt suicide?? Guess u exaggerated it. Yea, laughing stock for you, us and some western countries, but not for the rest of the world particularly
60 CoolSkyGuy : By the way, Mr John Howard is visiting Malaysia this week... Dear QANTASforever, you definitely need to open up your mind and be more accepting.
61 MH001 : Haha...you beat me to it... here's the article from the Star online: Aussie PM to visit Malaysia this week KUALA LUMPUR: Australian Prime Minister Joh
62 Post contains images CoolSkyGuy : Yup... Wonder if they will be talking about to persuade QF to fly KUL this time to promote "better" ties.
63 Bill142 : No exaggeration. The incident which QFF is refering to did happen earlier this year. I find it amazing that, according to your profile, you live in S
64 MH001 : Hi guys - latest news on the Ozzie-Malaysia front. I wonder why John Howard is so keen to promote ties to a country that QANTAS forever thinks are rac
65 CoolSkyGuy : It's all politics... Abdullah's predecessor (Dr. M)'s non-sycophantic actions had won applause from mostly developing countries but pissed the more d
66 Supercilious : QANTASforever, Pauline Hanson was disendorsed from the Liberal Party prior to the election and entered parliament as an Independent (later to become
67 AceFreighter : BA would only return to KL if it would make a profit. It never did even pre 9/11 when it was the premium revenue from Jakarta that kept the route goin
68 CoolSkyGuy : Good facts are appreciated... KUL still needs more effort to attract more airlines to fly into it...
69 Post contains images MAS777 : Interesting to read on another thread ("new routes for BA") in this forum that BA crew are still saying that rumours about returning to KUL continue.
70 Ryanair!!! : The airport authorities have slashed their landing fees for airlines as much as they could have now. The problem does not lie with the airport, but w
71 CoolSkyGuy : That's the reason why they are establishing themselves as the low cost airlines hub now...targetting lower end market, but with volume....I wonder ho
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